• @jayne Not sure why my comments are awaiting moderation now. I sent you an email separately....
  • @jayne “Cold Blood Warm Heart” is also one of my fave TVB series of all time. Deric's character was really complex. But, I have to say, at that time I like his character in "Triangular Entanglement" more. I was into super good guy character at the time. Lol. On Leon being lead of "The Breaking Point". It can't be help. Leon was a Heavenly King. Of course he will get lead and top billing. Even Sean Lau played second fiddle to him in series. I also wish Deric was the who played Leon's character.
  • @jayne Everyone was overshadowed by the 4 Heavenly Kings. The 90's were the world of the 4 Kings. But, I thought he could have reach the level of other popular non-Kings like Hacken Lee or Andy Hui.
  • @jayne why did my comment not show?
  • @jayne I have never watched this series as I was not into modern series back then but started to like them recently. Would you recommend this series?
  • @jayne Very true about “The Breaking Point”, which was Deric’s next big role after BOGAE and in addition to it being his last villain role, it was also the only time he was cast as “second male lead” to a less competent actor (Leon) between the time of BOGAE’s success up through when he left (even in Vengeance, despite both Gallen and Vincent Wan overshadowing Deric in their respective roles, I see that as an unexpected outcome of the script rather than intentional casting issue). It’s possible that Deric was disheartened after that, contributing to his thought about not wanting to do villain roles, and thereafter taking up all “good guy” lead roles that were for the most part safe and boring….then his luck sort of ran out after that when his scandal broke, his career went downhill completely. One thing I disagree with though is Deric not being suitable in ancient and comedy roles. In my opinion, he did well in both (though admittedly he didn’t film very many ancient series back then) and was one of the few actors at the time (in lead /second lead position) who was versatile enough to take on a variety of roles and still be convincing. I’ve actually enjoyed most of his comedies from back in those days but I think he probably preferred the dramatic roles to comedic ones.
  • @jayne I think Gallen was the luckier of the two in the way he continually recasted as the lead when he was flopping series after series early in his career. If it happened in current times he would have been given the axe after a couple of failures. In Vengence there was an improvement but his acting was still flawed with overacting. In Cold Blood Warm Heart there was further improvement but still a bit of overacting. It wasn’t until ‘Secret of the Heart’ and ‘Old Time Buddy’ when you go WOW, “this guy is flawless!”. Similar to Charmaine in Detective Investigation files you would never imagine she would even get to the level of ‘When Heaven Burns’. With Gallen was Carina’s ‘plank of wood date’ in Looking Back in Anger, you would never imagine he would get to the level of ‘Old Time Buddy’. It is amazing how things can transpire. Once upon a time, Gallen was playing under Deric as his younger brother in Vengence but a decade later is playing as the main lead and older brother ahead of Deric in a Golden Faith.
  • @jayne my favorite drama from him is Looking Back In Anger.
  • @llwy12 In retrospect, Deric was already very lucky with his career path at TVB. He and Gallen Lo both starred in "City Japes" but Deric was a stronger actor than Gallen at the start of their careers. Deric definitely had a lucky break with "Looking Back in Anger". The character was already written very memorably and Deric gave an adequate performance there. I remember when Deric rose to prominence, a bunch of more established actors such as Felix Wong went to ATV or the film industry. So there were now a lot of lead opportunities for the likes of Deric, Gallen Lo, Lau Sek Ming, Frankie Lam, etc. Among the handful of rising young actors at the time, Deric really was the most promising and could hold a series. Deric was at TVB at the right time. His career defining role was "Blood of Good and Evil". The role really suited him and I can't imagine another actor playing the role so well. Cold on the outside with a dangerous edge, but capable of loving very deeply. The scriptwriter fleshed out Deric and Maggie's characters very well. Both gave very good performances, but the characters were very original and well-written to start. "The Breaking Point" was a waste of Deric's talent. I remember feeling angry that Leon Lai was given the lead over Deric. The drama felt like a drawn-out love music video over Leon's various love relationships. After "The Breaking Point", Deric's roles were very safe. I admit his good guy roles were somewhat boring. He's also not very suitable in ancient and comedy roles. Maybe TVB wanted to keep him as a well-liked lead, so continued to cast him in very safe productions. In 1992's "Vengeance", Gallen's character overshadowed Deric, who really had nothing to do except be a very safe love interest for Irene Wan. The drama was a turning point in Gallen's career and he went on to lead in big productions over the next few years. At the same time, producer Lau Ka Ho cast Alex Man in several grand dramas in the mid 1990s. But Deric was never part of Lau's camp and only continued to appear in smaller-budget dramas that didn't have memorable storylines until 1994's "Conscience". In the meantime, Gallen continued to prove his acting chops. 1996's "Cold Blood Warm Heart" cemented his star power and status at TVB. It was also around this time that Deric's scandal with Bessie Chan broke out, so his image was damaged severely. After that, Gallen took over TVB screens and had one success after another. I think Deric was very lucky in landing some very memorable roles that boosted his career tremendously. But after the mid 1990s, when his roles were no longer that good and coupled with his scandals, his career never peaked again.
  • @llwy12 "With all that said, it’s a shame that TVB is incapable of making these types of series anymore – series that are able to stand the test of time (almost 30 years for both BOGAE and LBIA)" Scripts back then were more classic. Aside from a few exceptions, overall cast performances were very heartfelt. Hong Kong dramas at the time entertained Asian families all over the world...I remember paying a good deal of money at tape rental stores just to watch one series. Before the Hong Kong handover, local talents stayed within the Hong Kong market. Perhaps some TV actors and producers went into film, but still stayed within the boundaries of Hong Kong. As China continued to improve the quality of their productions and offered more money, it's inevitable experienced artistes and production staff would go to China. TVB never had a forward-looking vision. They just continued to ride on their past glorious history. They were happy looking to the same formula: recycling scripts and paying little.
  • @jayne I agree with you in terms of Deric’s career already slowing down back in the 90s (to me, his last “big” series was 1992’s “Vengeance”, even though he made more series after that and didn’t leave TVB until 1996). Of course, all the scandals didn’t help things, as it gave him a bad reputation, plus his personality had always been an issue that made it hard for him to maintain friendships. But career-wise, I remember having a conversation with someone back in the 90s about Deric’s decision to never take on villain roles again after “The Breaking Point” (he had actually said this during an interview back then) and we had come to the conclusion that this decision, rather than the scandals, was actually what slowed down his career back then. For an actor as versatile and talented as Deric, limiting yourself to only certain types of roles is a huge mistake, especially during that critical time period in the early 90s when all of the 5 Tigers (who pretty much dominated most of the 80s era) already left and TVB was looking for the next big crop of stars to take their place. We talk a lot about TVB’s habit of typecasting their artists into certain roles, which has been one of their (TVB’s) biggest flaws since the beginning of time in terms of how they manage their artists, so when you’re in a position to choose (like Deric was back in those days), it would’ve been wiser for him to take on roles that would’ve played up his strengths (in acting), regardless of whether they were villain or pseudo-villain roles, rather than push away roles that didn’t fit his “good guy” definition. Speaking of Gallen Lo, I feel that he’s a great example of forging the right path during a critical time, as he started taking on villain roles in the 90s (every single one of Gallen’s roles up through 1990 was essentially the same “goody-two-shoes” honest-looking handsome guy character) and even after he became popular and got to lead status, he had no problem continuing to take on villain / pseudo-villain roles as long as the role suited him. There’s a reason why Gallen is one of the most successful artists to come out of TVB (I’m talking strictly television only here) and why he continues to be highly sought after by producers even now (and we all know he had his fair share of “scandal” with his previous marriage and such, though of course nowhere near the level of Deric’s scandals).
  • @jayne They were also my favorite TVB couple from the 90s era and I love that they are also such good friends in real life! I watched the “reunion” show they did last year (with BOGAE’s scriptwriter Chan Bo Wah and also Deric’s “older brother” Benz Hui) and was moved to tears seeing them together again (especially given Deric’s checkered past in terms of relationships and obviously does not have many friends in the industry). I love BOGAE for other reasons (script, cast, acting, production values, etc.) but I do agree that this was the only series where Deric and Maggie had a good (albeit extremely bittersweet) ending. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve watched the series (probably upwards of 20 times) but regardless of how many times I re-watch, the ending always manages to make me cry. BOGAE will always be one of my favorite series, right up there with LBIA (Looking Back in Anger) as 2 of the best modern series TVB ever produced. With all that said, it’s a shame that TVB is incapable of making these types of series anymore – series that are able to stand the test of time (almost 30 years for both BOGAE and LBIA) are hard to come by nowadays so I always consider it a treat to get the opportunity to re-watch these series.
  • Deric seems to make spontaneous decisions in love, fall in and out of love easily. When he falls out of love with a woman, he seems to draw very clear lines and doesn't want to take over any financial responsibilities for his ex. Such as suing Bessie Chan back for the $140k he lent her and pushing all the debts onto Winnie after their divorce. Having financial entanglements will only make breakups more messy. Another problem is he doesn't end a relationship cleanly before getting involved with another woman, so exes often have bad things to say about him. I think Deric can be quite ruthless when he falls out of love with a woman. But I really like Deric's dramas in the 1990s.
  • @cutie777 "I wonder if he ever dated Maggie Shiu because she’s not on the list from his dating life." Their chemistry was only onscreen. Maggie was already in a stable relationship with Jonathan Chik (former TVB producer), whom she dated at the start of her early career. Deric was already married to his first wife in 1989. Since both Maggie and Deric had significant others already, they could only be friends.
  • @llwy12 Deric and Maggie were my favorite TVB couple in the 1990s. Among their dramas together, "BOGAE" was my favorite since their love story had a good ending. I watched the series at least 5 times and obsessed over their scenes together.
  • @kidd "I think he nearly got the chance. He was very popular a while in the early 90s. He played many leads in TV series and even acted in the few movies and his albums were doing quite well." Deric was already married during the airing of "Blood of Good and Evil". Although Deric got famous for his acting, idols such as Leon Lai soon became even more famous. Leon was cast ahead of Deric in "The Breaking Point" even though his acting was a lot weaker. I think if Deric had not gotten married so early in his career, his fame and singing career may have even reached a higher peak. When Deric's scandal with Bessie Chan broke, his career was already slowing down. Gallen Lo was becoming more prominent in TVB dramas and in the music industry, Deric was overshadowed by the 4 Heavenly Kings.
  • @jayne True and that is one of the prices you pay for being a celeb. But I think the power was still in his hands in the end as I think maybe he figured out that their marriage is beyond repair. I think he can do better since Li Xiao lu did not love or treat him well anyways. Maybe this cheating scandal is a blessing in disguise for him. Hope he can find someone better who will love and cherish him.
  • @jayne Thanks so much Jayne and you always give the best advice! I will try to grow stronger each day and coming here to chat with everyone makes me feel a bit better too. Thanks for welcoming me back!
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