• @pleikupho I dont know, because 'freedom of speech' or something. Ask opalowl, they know a lot about that. Maybe not that it's a double edged sword that can cut everyone, including them, but I'm sure they're about to find out.
  • @opalowl Wow. So many logical fallacies, I'm having a field day! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Moralizing a situation when it’s not necessary is redundant." +++And? So is commenting on this article. Or do you think what you said is productive in any way? Redundant or not, still doesn't make my statements invalid. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "These beauty contestants knew what they were getting into when they signed up for the pageant. They’re asking to be judged on their looks, not crying for help from subjective opinions." +++You knew what you were getting into when you posted the scoffing comment. This is the internet. You're asking for some kind of reaction when you hit that send button or did you think you're screaming into a void? Same logic. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Sh1tty person or not I’m not worried about criticisms from a nobody online" +++Says the person who kept replying to said criticism. I mean if it really doesn't bother you at all you could've just ignored me altogether, I promise you my feelings won't be hurt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " I only care about the freedom of speech in this situation." "Everyone should have the basic right to freedom of speech." +++You know that everyone includes me right? Also you act like I'm demanding for some kind of censorship? Criticising the CONTEXT of what you said is absolutely different than crying for censorship. I'm simply exercising MY right for freedom of speech (remember? The thing you care so much about?). Me exercising my right doesn't censor or prevent you from saying anything and neither did I ask for such thing so your whole point was, dare I say, redundant. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "You have no issues with that right even though you were never asked for an assessment of my moral character." +++ And I still don't have issues with it because I like your right to say sh!tty things because I love my right to call you out on it. Isn't this a wonderful arrangement? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Free speech is there to protect what we don’t want to hear, not to protect what we want to hear." +++Right back at you! Also, I want to take this chance to remind everyone this very noble and wise sounding statement coming from opalowl in context translates to: yes 'journalists' can call a young woman 'a Voldemort lookalike' because FREEDOM. I'm both amused and depressed at the same time. Go figure. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jesus, how did it come to this? I mean what happened was basically: You: "This is my opinion" Me: "Your opinion is sh!tty" You: "Oh my god you're attacking freedom of speech how dare you you must love North Korea BIGOT!" That escalated quickly. (I'm not exaggerating people, look at our convo, it's all here for you to read because my North Korean loving ass failed to censor them. My plans are foiled oh I am so sad) Seriously kid, I'd have more respect for you if you just would've left it at 'I don't care that my opinion is sh!tty mind your own business grandpa!' But noooo, going on this whole straw man 'freedom of speech' rant and how you find it so important but started it because you got all prickly when I was just calling out on your BS opinion and therefore exercising my right. How ironic. Come at me more with your logical fallacies if you want, I feel like being unproductive and redundant. But we both know you wouldn't because you are: "not worried about criticisms from a nobody online" Wise words. I agree. I support you. Practice what you preach.
  • @peanutbutterjelly Moralizing a situation when it's not necessary is redundant. It just an act to do 'the right thing' and act self righteous. I understand its the biggest achievement for some individuals, but at least do it where it's appreciated. These beauty contestants knew what they were getting into when they signed up for the pageant. They're asking to be judged on their looks, not crying for help from subjective opinions. Sh1tty person or not I'm not worried about criticisms from a nobody online, I only care about the freedom of speech in this situation. Especially when said person is invited to a function and asked for their subjective opinion. Everyone should have the basic right to freedom of speech. You have no issues with that right even though you were never asked for an assessment of my moral character. Yet, you have issues with others that's exercising that very same right. Luckily, nobody was censored here because of your tunnel vision or nonsense moral code. Free speech is there to protect what we don't want to hear, not to protect what we want to hear. Imagine a world where free speech is no longer valid because it was deemed 'mean' or 'vile' for a moral police or even some extremists. I reckon North Korea must be paradise for you. The citizens are only allowed to say how wonderful their leader is. I'm sure you'll fit right in since it's all rainbows and gold from an unicorn's bottom. Like I said from my first response to you, pigeon chess. Perhaps the better description for someone like you is bigotry.
  • @opalowl defending and perpetuating mean and vile comments is sh!tty behaviour. It might be your opinion that the women deserved to be humiliated publicly but that’s a sh!tty opinion nonetheless. Opinions are not exempt from criticisms, sorry. Accusing someone from moral policing doesn’t make the criticism of that person invalid, sorry not sorry.
  • @pleikupho defending and perpetuating mean and vile comments is sh!tty behaviour. It might be your opinion that the women deserved to be humiliated publicly but that’s a sh!tty opinion nonetheless. Opinions are not exempt from criticisms, sorry. Accusing someone from moral policing doesn’t make the criticism of that person invalid, sorry not sorry. defending and perpetuating mean and vile comments is sh!tty behaviour. It might be your opinion that the women deserved to be humiliated publicly but that’s a sh!tty opinion nonetheless. Opinions are not exempt from criticisms, sorry. Accusing someone from moral policing doesn’t make the criticism of that person invalid, sorry not sorry.
  • @opalowl defending and perpetuating mean and vile comments is sh!tty behaviour. It might be your opinion that the women deserved to be humiliated publicly but that's a sh!tty opinion nonetheless. Opinions are not exempt from criticisms, sorry. Accusing someone from moral policing doesn't make the criticism of that person invalid, sorry not sorry.
  • @peanutbutterjelly How is giving an opinion you disagree with being a sh1tty person? Does being a self proclaimed moral police mean your opinion or actions above others? An opinion is just that, an opinion. You don't have to agree with it, but its not amoral or uncalled for when its being asked. These contestants GAVE permission to be judged and that's exactly what happened here. Can't stand the heat, gtfo out of the kitchen. Don't want to be judged on a subjective matter? DO NOT ASK OTHERS TO JUDGE YOU IN A BEAUTY CONTEST. Seriously, its that simple. You can't expect to have the cake and eat it too.
  • @peanutbutterjelly seriously. The Voldemort comparison is uncalled for. You wouldn't find comments like that in an American pageant. Why is the Hk press so mean and vile?
  • @opalowl Try what? My opinion basically boils down to: "Don't be a sh!tty person." I'd rather be accused of 'moral policing' than be the person who tried to defend the act of calling other people a 'Voldemort lookalike'. Whether you think that's a 'fact' or not it's still a reprehensible act. As a human being, adult or not, no one deserves such treatment. Also, criticising your comment isn't the same as an attack or personal insults so I don't understand how I'm not 'walking the walk'.
  • @peanutbutterjelly Nice try but... Whenever someone with a chip on their shoulder decides to act as a moral police, it turns into pigeon's chess. If you as an adult can't handle the facts, perhaps you should evaluate the opinions you offer others. Walk the walk, not offer lip service.
  • @opalowl there is a difference between evaluating and even commenting on someone's physical appearance (which, yes, in the context of beauty contests is fair game) and downright uncivilised borderline hateful personal attacks. The sad thing is grown up, adult people perpetuating this kind of mean spirited culture. Would you be okay if it were children saying those things to their peers? Is that the message we want to send to the younger generation? Whether or not contests like these attract comments like those or not, if the first reaction you have by reading this article is: "Well, they asked for it," instead of "wow, people are vile" then I ask you to re-evaluate your own morality.
  • @peanutbutterjelly @llwy12 I didn't mean to imply that WJ is better than JL. I was just saying WJ didn't want to be compared to JL hence he said this series is more like on of his own films. I said he (WJ) himself saw it a jab to himself. Trust me, I agree that JL is a better influence than WJ.
  • He's a college professor, not some kind of multimillion company founder. Seeing any gold digging ambition on her side here seems like a stretch. They seem to enjoy each others' company. Let them be.
  • @jjwong I beg to differ. Jeff Lau is an all around better director than Wong Jing. His quirky brand of comedy is not something that is digestible for everybody but I'm glad he was part of the HK film industry during its glory days and gave us classics like All for the winner and A Chinese oddysey part 1 and 2. Not to say he didn't make a lot of crappy movies also but his best works are miles better than anything Wong Jing has ever touched.
  • @peanutbutterjelly Comparing WJ with JL is more of a jab at WJ IMO. That's why I think WJ so quickly said, nah, it's more like a movie I made and not another person's work. Eventhough WJ hasn't have an ounce of originality as of late....
  • @peanutbutterjelly I agree with you that how they spend their money is their own choice. They make them. They spend them. How is it our business to judge. Even if they lived outside of their means, it doesn't make their marriage any less happy or real than those more frugal. Again, one is taking while the other is giving. Both are blissful in a two persons world. Let them be.
  • @nomad822 Please don't spread misinformation. I know you don't mean any harm but it's very irresponsible what you're saying now. Psychologist and medication are vital and necessary if you're dealing with mental issues. Things like clinical depression cannot be cured without medication, the last thing I want are more people avoiding help and take the suicide road because they think 'psychologists and meds don't do anything' or 'can rise above it by thinking positively' I can personally attest that the Asian 'mentality' of not dealing with psychological issues is everything except healthy. I also have statistics and scientific research to back it up. Sorry I've witnessed too many tragedies in this regard to take this passing comment lightly. Please read this: http://pb.rcpsych.org/content/28/12/451 http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1307071/suicide-prevention-hampered-mental-health-stigma https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/419358/chinas-stigma-around-mental-health/ http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9488896 People who are reading this: please go seek professional help if you're dealing with mental problems. You're not alone or weak for doing so and it will help you, I promise. I know we Asians tend to not deal with mental issues at all or ask for help because let's face it you'll be stigmatized. But please do for your own sakes and happiness.
  • I don't understand why people supposedly compared it to one of the few gambling movies Wong Jing had nothing to do with? Why didn't they compare it to God of Gamblers? I mean even that's kind of a stretch but at least it was written and directed by Wong Jing. All for the Winner was a Jeffrey Lau (thank God) movie and a parody on gambling films.
  • @funnlim Maybe you should try reading first before replying. I clearly stated before why I think she is a good partner for him. They went through good times and bad times together, both in sickness and in health, she supported him financially and emotionally during his career and personal lows. Sure, that's what every relationship should be like ideally but in reality not a lot of couples survive the hardships that come along. It's not hard to see they truly love each other. That has nothing to do with how you view her personally (a viewpoint fed by media and gossip magazines probably) and I honestly don't care about your personal vendetta against her. Again I ask you, what is wrong with shopping if they can afford it? You make it sound like she barbecues with money and he 'allows' it to keep her happy or something. The truth is they can buy all the clothes they want and still invest money in stocks and property. Truth is they are living within their means, it's just that their means are above that of a lot of other people's. Maybe that's what rubs people the wrong way but that's what it is. And marriage is unconditional love and support and acceptance of the person you made your vows to and so far, I think they're both doing fine.
  • @peanutbutterjelly Great to have a wife like her, the price is unlimited shopping? How does that make her a good wife or him a good husband? No denying she stuck with him. She was never a great somebody. Anyway he can afford her she is happy, quid pro quo. I suppose that's marriage.
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