Jayne: Btw, Hong Kong paparazzi love putting labels on relationships such as “soft rice eater” (Joel Chan), “superior woman, inferior man” (Kay Tse/ Louis Cheung) “older woman, younger man” (Faye Wong/ Nicholas Tse) “sugar daddy” (Patrick Tse and girlfriend) etc. etc. Such labels and headlines no doubt make the news more splashy.
“Hungry, fierce tigress” is likely the newest terms to emerge as everyone is eager for shocking catch-phrases, where simply “older woman, younger man” doesn’t produce enough impact anymore.
Given Him’s hot body, constant flaunting of nude torso, etc. people naturally equate him with sex, thus leading the HK media to link his alleged romance with Tavia to sex, or rather strong sex.
Jayne: Funn,The above line was a question posed by the reporter towards Tavia, in which the reporter pointed out that the term “狼虎”refers to a woman with strong sexual appetite. Thus, the reporter wanted to make sure that Tavia understood the newest slang term meaning, which does not mean a shrew or domineering woman in a relationship.
In Cantonese speak, “color wolf” is often used to describe a lusty man, in which the sexual interest is bordering on perversion. While a woman who is described as a “tigress in bed” means that she is wild and animalistic in bed, the complete opposite of a “dead fish.”
The combination of “狼虎” ultimately means a hungry, fierce, and lusty tigress in bed, which has negative connotations. If described as simply a tigress in bed, that is still okay, but the combination of “wolf-like and hungry” is not a good connotation, in which one’s sexual desires are overtly strong.
Perhaps due to Buddhist influence, traditional Chinese culture seems to disapprove of overindulgence in sex and earthly pleasures of the flesh, with idioms such as “色字头上一把刀” (indulgence in sex is akin to hanging a knife over your head) and moral lessons taught in “The Carnal Prayer Mat.”
Btw, in my articles, in a back-and-forth question and answer between the reporter and interviewee, I normally place the reporter’s questions inside parentheses ( ). I would use a bracket [ ] if I added anything extra to the direct quote for means of clarification.
lychii04: Agree, Wayne looks like a good man, his looks aren’t outstanding but not a shady or sleazy look either. No need for plastic surgery!
I guess I like the cast and expect quite a performance from them… But… I’m a bit worried the storyline will be dry and not that interesting (a bit reminiscent of FH3)… I hope this is a well done palace series!
Whenever I watch new palace series, I miss Kwong Wa so much. He is by far the best TVB actor ever to portray Emperor roles and such. He has such a handsome face and regal demeanour. Sigh… I really wish TVB made the effort back then to keep the good actors instead of being ignorant and thinking they don’t need those actors as they can just “breed” new generation actors and actresses T___T
I generally don’t really rant about TVB’s downfall because everyone already does and I wasn’t around during the 80′s and early 90′s. Late 90s+ were more my scene. But really, when I think of palace series.. I just feel so utterly disappointed. Like, cannot even fathom the decline. No offence, but Moses, Sunny, Kevin … all really lame emperors. Even Oscar who I like .. not appealing as an emperor. Wayne, nope. Gahhh!~
Also, miss Bobby Auyeung in a palace drama! (Hence my excitement for the Dazzling Dance of ChangAn!) And Roger Kwok! Yeah, just been rewatching Happy Ever After and feeling nostalgic!
lychii04: I don’t know. There is just something about Tavia … I guess I agree with Veejay … that seems so cunning that when she answers in such a coy manner, it makes me question her intent. I mean, I remember when Bosco and Myolie were rather coy with their responses but it was equal for both. With Tavia and Him, he’s very aloof and brushes it off, while Tavia seems to be “adding fuel to the fire”… so I don’t know whether she is trying to use these news for publicity or not. lychii04: Hmm, off topic but whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy do good looking guys cover their hotness with weird facial hair (Brad Pitt!!).. I remember when I used to think Ekin was hot!
Oh well, honestly, this may come across as stupid but I do hope they both marry soon. I mean, I know they may not feel that marriage is necessary to be in love. Not everyone believes in marriage. But in considering this as a lady, I just feel that even though the ladies don’t need to get married, the people around them and their families will have expectations or judgments if they continue dawdling along without eventually tying the knot.
Funn Lim: Jayne,
I used babelfish to check what is 狼虎 and it says evildoers!!! I laughed very very hard! Really? Pinyin is Láng hǔ.
I think now it may not refer to sexual aspect. Come to think of it, when a woman is described as lioness or tigress, it is more like a very domineering woman, someone who gets her way when she wants it her way and no other way. Like fierce wives, thus implying she controls Him Him, she has the say, she wears the pants.
And then I found out 狼 is wolf? Is wolf used in the context of fierce since chinese does not have a direct word for “lang” in cantonese as in “long” as in fierce? Since in mandarin the equivalent to a cantonese’ fierce is errrr… xiong?
Can someone enlighten me?
Funn Lim: “Ekin Cheng or Aaron Kwok?”
I believe neither. Ekin and Yoyo seems ok with non marriage, and since yoyo dislikes children or rather isn’t bothered, maybe they will be 2 people enjoying each other’s company.
Aaron is to me a commitment phobe but he wants to be a dad so I suppose he will marry his girl in view of parenthood whether buy 1 free 1 or just buy 1 first and make 1 later.
Ok I revise my answer. Aaron.
Funn Lim: Is still relevant in terms of albums and recordings? I am sure she will have a huge audience in concerts, for nostalgia’s sake but albums? Can she still sell records?
Fox: Btw I guess if there is no kid involve, they might keep the relationship like now longer. Fox: Lol, talk like a fortuneteller then they will get married or breakup. Fox: Yeah. That’s I rmb. Fox: Most of Korean muscle guys now seem to share this problem. Btw I’m admiring Matsuda Shota and his head is quite suit his body. Fox: Maybe the matter will rise from the gap of money each can earn as well
Jasmine: @ Funn..yeah oh I did not know about Susan Sarandon but re Ashton Kutcher yeah that’s why I used him as an example as he is the younger guy and cheated on Demi who is the cougar I guess.. Jasmine: @ Funn..yeah oh I did not know about Susan Sarandon but re Ashton Kutcher yeah that’s why I used him as an example as he is the younger guy and cheated on Demi who is the cougar I guess.. Funn Lim: “small head and big muscles?Small head as in stupid or literally small head?
Aaron Kwok is proportionate. But short/.
Donnie Yen looks like a wax. In fact a wax looks more real than him but he is proportionate but short.
Stephen Huynh looks rather bulky but still proportionate. But he is also short.
The true big muscle but small head is… Chinese I can’t think of any but gwailo will be Hugh Jackman.
Funn Lim: Jasmine,.
Susan Sarandons, Demi Moores not very good example. Susan Sarandon reportedly cheated on Tim with an even younger man. Ashton Kutcher cheated on Demi with even younger girls.
Hugh Jackman is an exception. Damian Lewis is another. Who else?
iawnaek: Oh please, Him is just a woman beater and soon a wife beater. Not much of a man if u ask me.
Larry 3: No offense josie, clearly you need to re-read Funn’s response again. ladeda’s point is straight forward. Nothing wrong with it. Jasmine: @ kidd, you don’t have to turn sarcastic on this..
We are all merely stating our opinions and I do maintain that a 5 year gap is not small, I went out with a guy who was 5 years younger than me before and it’s not only the ‘stigma’ you are referring to, my extra set of problems refer to the fact that people at different age groups will be at different places in their lives economically, socially, mentally and emotionally.
Also, as for your example on Hugh Jackman, we have the Susan Sarandons, Demi Moores…
lol: In the past, Tavia was praised for rising up the ladder through her acting without relying on rumours, pageants and looks enhancements, but now I’m afraid time changed everything 
lol: One word for her nose: ‘distracting’ lol: lol I think many here don’t question the 5 years age gap but more about the 10 years ‘looks’ gap between Him and Tavia. Am I right? lol: Him was really an eye candy with a cute face since his earlier series Your Class or Mine and Dressage to win. I didn’t expect Him to start acting since 2005 in many movies. I only saw him since Your Class or Mine.
Kidd: “Somehow, I still feel that these relationsihps always have an extra set of problems coz unfortunately no man is an island.”
They might have one less problem if ‘old fashioned’ and ‘conservative’ people don’t put stigma on them.
TVBFanatic: I think Tavia is a strong confident type who doesn’t care at all what the media or people think. It’s all fun and games to her. You can see that in her interviews, and how she reacts off the set to questions etc… Kidd: Hugh Jackman and wife has an even larger age gap and they are still going strong. So, a 5 years gap is workable. Jasmine: I heard that Ah Gil of Twins had botox injections to slim down her arms and legs and also to define her chin which really aged her I think. Ah Sa looks better than her now. Jasmine: I think 5 years is quite considerable…if it’s one or two years or maybe three – it’s more passable..guess I’m ‘old fashioned’. Especially since Tavia looks older than her age, it’s quite apparent. Him Him also has a childish look which makes the gap look even bigger but I guess as long as they get along.
Somehow, I still feel that these relationsihps always have an extra set of problems coz unfortunately no man is an island.
Jasmine: Kenny Wong haha
oh I think Jackie Chan has a big head but then although he is muscular, his muscles are not huge haha
Fox: Uhm yes, so I like a HimHim without topless, means I like him during the D.I.E 2 time. Jasmine: wa fat rich guy??? haha Fox: Kenny Wong . Jasmine: Yeah I think he is cute, I think I remember him as a child actor somehow. He just got somehow very ripped.
@ Vivien, haha Tavia looks older than her age I feel…I still don’t get why she denies about the nose..it’s darn obvious unless she thinks ppl are blind or something haha
Jasmine: small head and big muscles?
How about the following? do you think they fit small head, big muscle?
1. Aaron Kwok
2. Donnie Yen
3. Stephen Huynh
4. I can’t think right now of any haha
Jasmine: @ Vivien haha yeah his face is more cute than ‘hot’ hahah
His body I guess is ripped so it means hot?
@ Fox, hahah yeah his body does not seem to match his face that much haha
Larry 3: You can only see the ad when you mention, back pain on the responses.
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thanks Google Adsense
Vivien: Anyone else only seeing Tavia’s nose for her part in this series? Him him is convincing and improved a lot as the junior doctor but I can’t take Tavia seriously because of the nose ROFL Fox: Guess so. Maybe it is the reason why I don’t buy cute face and muscles Fox: This thing we have to wait. Theresa and HimHim were a happy couple for a while. Vivien: Many muscle people got small head to body because their body is pumped with muscles. Oscar Leung also got baby cute face but head too small for his muscled body. Vivien: If his taste for looks change it’s certainly change for worse taste. Or maybe Tavia act more mature than Theresa because of her age and don’t make Him him blood boil. Fox: Depends on who will call the media secretly first then the public stunt will happens. 2 chan couple, I really wonder who made the first call? Vivien: If I’m filmko I will invest in Him more than Theresa too. Him is born with cute face and can make girls melt by his sweet smile and pretty eyes. Now can add some girls can swoon to his muscles. He also improved crazy lots in his acting in THC. It’s good investment.
Theresa is cute but it’s plastic cute. She also don’t have good EQ to survive in this industry. No talent too, can’t act, can’t sing. Bye bye Theresa.
Theresa
Fox: Plastic surgery isn’t the matter. Some had plastic surgery and still looks old, even older than real age. Vivien: Actually many people can look older than their age but still naturally good looking. I always thought Ruco is around Moses age and was surprised when I know he’s only 2-3 years older than the batch of LF, Bosco, Ron LOL he’s basically their generation based on age. But although look older Ruco is still hot 
Maybe because Ruco don’t have plastic surgery unlike someone here ROFL
Fox: Btw do you find his head is a bit smaller than his body? Fox: His body attached with woman beater image. Not good through Fox: That’s why it is a big change. Maybe his taste changed or he wants to clean the image of dating lengmo? Vivien: established now that Him him got cute face although body hotness may vary among us all Fox: I rmb she has some rich guys? I can rmb a fat rich guy in the beach few years ago. Vivien: ROFL Theresa is plastic but still cute but Tavia and cute can’t exist in same sentence LOL Vivien: His face cuteness is too cute for Tavia. Tavia has no cuteness at all in her face. She looks too sunken.
Addy: Has Tavia always been this carefree about her rumors? Or is Him one of her first rumored boyfriends? LOL (not including Lai Lok-yi…) Funn Lim: Compared to many, yes he is. But more cute than handsome, nonetheless rather handsome. Not manly handsome. Vivien: Him him look like 25-26. Tavia indeed look 10 years older than that. She looks 35-36. 32-33 year olds around me look younger than this. Fox: From Theressa to TY, he made a big change. Lol. Fox: Him Him’s past is a curse. Fox: Well I think I can’t match his body eith his face. Do I like him with full of clothes more. Fox: I dun find he is that good muscles but his face is rather cute. Fox: 5 years is enough. Guys are mostly kids inside. As for the look, the gap is clear. Vivien: @AC
I think they call tavia cougar because of that too ROFL. Seriously I think Him him is too cute for her! He should find cuter girls!
Vivien: Him him is blessed with cute face and hot body. His face is lovable. I think he improved a lot because I like him in this series. Jasmine: Is Him Him that good looking? haha
Although I think his acting in this latest show has improved
Veejay: @funn,
Maybe he’s that kind of careless one?? or clumsy or forgetful or watever that made him less smart like ken ken. hehe
Funn Lim: Veejay, he would have studied about 2 years of theory? Don’t the syllabus cover also ettiquette and rules? Veejay: @josie,
Maybe that’s why Him is a junior doctor thus not familiar with hospital rules and patient’s privacy?
Funn Lim: “if I made a mistake in the pt’s chart, I will correct it”
He said he didn’t make a mistake, she insisted he made a mistake. I think I remember it that way. I mean as any doctor he can’t admit his mistake when there isn’t any. Maybe he should have stopped her but I think he tried didn’t he? Yes I remember he did mention her name to Tavia and then stopped halfway. But it is not so clearcut in this situation. But in the end the patient himself revealed his own condition to his own daughter. I suppose that absolves Him Him.
josie: Funn,
The problem is he mentioned mandy’s name. Even though he doesn’t know they are sisters, he shouldn’t disclose medical info on coworkers’ family either.
And he should’ve told mandy, “if I made a mistake in the pt’s chart, I will correct it” and grabbed that chart back f/ her. Not let her freely look through it since her “dad” didn’t know what info was written in there.
Veejay: Funn,
sorry for my typo errors,so many of them lol.
I meant to say “her” as referring to Mandy not him..lol
Veejay: @funn,
Very nice discussion on why Mandy being hateful towards TY. My prediction is like this though.. that at first, mandy hates TY and her family because she made her mom’s miserable for half of life. Mandy thought everything was TY’s dad fault hence the hatre gathered and so on.. And now mandy has to accept the reality that her “real” dad wasn’t really her read dad while the guy she hates for most of her life is actually her real dad… I think that will even make him even madder.
Imo, I think the person should take blame is her ‘mom’ for hiding mandy’s real status from his actual dad for years.
@Kidd,
i see, thanks for the info.. I think filmko must have see investing in Him has more future and money earning opportunity rather than investing in theresa.
Kidd: @ Veejay
“Theresa, tvb was seems by his side and even made Theresa to apologise even its not her fault and that shows tvb is heavily publicity Him into another stage.”
TVB didn’t force Theresa to apologise, Filmko did. Both Him and Theresa are signed under Filmko, not TVB. Him is TVB artist, but, managed by Filmko.
josie: Funn,
B/c Fox already said she won’t post again on this topic and ladeda said “I’m glad you’re not responding anymore to this”.
So it’s like taking a parting shot at someone b/c u know there will be no response.
Funn Lim: And I seriously want Mandy to end up with Kenneth but I know he will end up with Tavia and Mandy with Him maybe. Maybe. Surprise me TVB! First prediction, brain tumour will be tavia. Second prediction, mandy will use Ken Ken to get to Tavia whilst Him Him looks aside. Or is Ben somewhere in the picture? Funn Lim: But if I remember correctly Him was consulting with Tavia and at that point he didn’t know she was related to Mandy. And when Mandy asked about her father’s condition, he didn’t say anything, it was herself questioning her father and she found out. Frankly I don’t get the medical stuff but quite dramatic to know that is not your father and suddenly in walks someone else who is your father. So her hate for Tavia stemming from her father being looked down by relatives now is transfer to the fact that she missed out on a privileged upbringing, I think? Funn Lim: Josie,
“To take a jab at someone when u know they’re not going to respond?”
How do you know someone is not going to respond? Ladeda made her opinion clear, whether anyone wants to reply or not it is that person’s choice. No clear rule to say person A says not gonna talk abt it and person B is stopped from saying anything.
josie: Yes, can discuss pt cases but no need to mention names, especially if it involves people u know. Maybe hk doesn’t have as stringent pt privacy laws. In US, u cannot even tell a pt’s family member anything w/o the pt’s consent. Kidd: ladeda just want to make his/her opinion know. josie: To take a jab at someone when u know they’re not going to respond? Funn Lim: I wonder don’t doctors discuss patient care with other doctors? So what is wrong to discuss with fellow doctor for medical opinion?
I like the way how Him is dressed. Young doctor, I would suspect so. There was a time everyone button up the coat. This time it actually looks more real. At least it looks real.
Yes Him Law improved a lot. Can do more but you know, between L-escargot and here, I see a very huge leap.
josie: I can’t take Dr. Him seriously until he finally tucks in his shirt. BTW, that “medical” report he wrote was ridiculously vague. And talk about disrespecting patient privacy! So unrealistic. Funn Lim: I think she made her point rather clear. josie: @ladeda:
If u don’t want @fox to respond anymore, what was the point of your post?
Veejay: In acting wise, I am impressed with him’s acting progression. He shows improvement and kinda convincing in his role as a junior doctor in 36 hours on call. Veejay: Whether TY is dating Him in real or not, Him is not a nice guy for his previous beating record. (I think most girls will admit it?)
and if TY is ready to be with someone who have record of beating up a female then it’s ok. If not, Ty will have be ready for that! lol.
josie: Can’t really praise the paps for “catching” Moses & aimee b/c I think that couple was practically inviting pics to be taken, by not closing the curtains and conveniently feeding each other by the window.
And the media never caught theresa and Him together even though they dated, broke up, reconciled, then broke up again. We only found out after theresa told the reporters.
So it is possible that tavia and Him are dating. She seems rather coy w/ her answers. If she didn’t like him, wouldn’t she adamantly deny it? Especially since the media is not portraying her in a good light. It should be quite embarassing to be called a lusty tigeress.
Oh and Him Him doesn’t seem to be much of a deep thinker to me. So I can’t imagine their relationship consisting of just meaningful conversations…
Funn Lim: Usually yes with guys in 20s and women in 40s and above. But some just call any older woman with younger man cougar. 5 years only? Tavia looked at least 10 years older. Maybe Him Him looks young I suppose.
AC: ohhh. I thought they were trying to say that she’s a cougar because she’s supposedly dating a younger guy?
ladeda: @Fox, I don’t think you understood what Jayne wrote. Or maybe I just don’t understand what you write. I’m glad you’re not responding anymore to this.
sure-lee: I really wonder if they are actually dating or not! Tavia’s replies to the rumours seem to by implying something, although she “denies” them. I remember there was a time when she said that nowadays, a lot of artistes like getting married suddenly and then having babies, and that she could not promise it wouldn’t happen to her. I wonder if this means something?
Khanh: Don’t really mind if they date. I just want Tavia to find someone that is nice and loves her thats all. Veejay: I’ve doubt with Tavia’s personal life, I don’t think she’s that simple thinking person. She gives me a rather cunning personality but I can’t judge her based on my personal instint.
As for HIm, TVB seems like promoting him and even plan to make him a lead prolly in the next few years (well, it looks like it after his incident with Theresa).. Even Him received a bad reputation from beating up Theresa, tvb was seems by his side and even made Theresa to apologise even its not her fault and that shows tvb is heavily publicity Him into another stage.
So, even if the rumor of them being “together” is true..I don’t see why TY would be hesitate to jump into bed wiht Him since Him has future with TVB plus he’s handsome among girls’ eyes.
ping0: Def she had plastic done. I used to be bugged by her nose when watching her in ROCH the tip was so long , now it’s more better! Well anyways I like Hawick and if he is happy, best for him and his new lady! Kidd: Their age difference is not that big. 5 years only. I think to be name a cougar, the woman has to be a lot older? Funn Lim: Maybe they’re still early stage? As in dating? I can’t see Tavia as someone jumping into bed very soon sort of person. If this is for publicity, surely Tavia wouldn’t want to go near Him who had such a scandal although TVB might want to fix his scandal by pairing him with to me the unlikeliest person? Veejay: Yeah so far these papparazis just managed to captured pics of them “barbeque” together during filming..and after that pic, I don’t see anymore of these “together” again.. maybe it’s just a rumor created by TVB for popularity reason. Jayne: Funn,If they are truly dating, I think HK’s highly efficient and intrusive paparazzi will be able to get more concrete evidence soon.
I will believe it when there are kissing photos or either one sleeping over at the apartment. The media managed to take photos of Moses leaving Aimee’s apartment and another photo through their apartment.
Funn Lim: “The term “fierce tigress” refers to a woman with a strong sexual appetite”
I actually thought that too. And if it is true, at least she is now developing an interesting personality. I always thought she is bland, so many Him brought out her inner roarrrr… I mean grrrrrrrrr… whatever! No one says she is a cougar?
Boscolie: yeh poor guy
simplitee: The broken MV is hot! 
Funn Lim: Because and this is a joke (need to put disclaimer these days!) whilst they’re doing 1, innately they wanna do 2!! Veejay: @Funn,
thanks I missed that out haha.
but I’m definitely not trying to say LF’s fans will be flirting with us.
I think 1) too is scarier than no. 2) because I don’t expect online ppl to be hitting on me as in flirting with me over some comments. But why is it you think No. 1 is mean? (the one flirting)..
Funn Lim: Veejay,
“hitting on us” can mean
1. flirt with us
2. chasing after us with a spatula and hitting our heads
I wonder, which is which? Depending which is scarier to you, I believe no. 1 is more mean, no. 2 is quite a normal reaction.
Veejay: @RIBB,
I notice most of the female artists have the same expression in different series too like for eg. Linda shows the same crying expression in that teacher’s series (sorry forgot the series’ name) and L’esgargot. TY always show the same emotion in differen tsereis too, so is kate, who is often pouting her lips almost in eveyr series..
I guess the reason why we say that is because these fadans are too overused by tvb and appeared in a series too often.
Kidd: “Only true rest will make him feel better, not stronger pain killers.”
I agree with you, Jayne. Raymond need a long good rest. Him working like this will only worsen his condition. It’s not worth it.
looooo: I think he must have injured his back from this act.
Ribb: Myolie looks the same in almost all series. Her expression is something she needs to improve on. So boring, especially her lips and eyes – they are always same same same … eeewwww Veejay: @Nx,
I see you’ve misinterpreted most of my meanings.
1)What I meant by “hitting” doesn’t naturally mean as pyshically hitting or pyschically hurting of any individual. I meant was LF’s fan might get offended and backfires us later as in scolding. mean word is when I curse someone horribly like I wish “so and so” die etc etc.
And like Jayne already mentioned, I was not trying to put fire into oil but i was trying to express my personal view on Exoidus comment and others. That’s not called adding oil to fire.
but when you say exoidus keeps making fun of LF’s illness etc etc..I really don’t see that in his post. I saw he even wish LF to have a speedy recovery and even praised his acting ability..
lastly i really think you’re beyond sensitive when u said “LF’s fans will be hitting on us later” is a mean word..
Funn Lim: akazuki
I have, but not specifically on Raymond
Kidd: I don’t know the name of the songs. I just heard them on the radio. His songs were played many times on the radio.
pandamao: I thought his duet with Faye Wong was very nice and that’s rather recent.
Didn’t seem hard to me – which song are were u thinking was consider “hard”?
pandamao: Compelled to respond.
Eason has plenty of hits – Cantonese or Mandarin? You name it, there’s a hit. Eason is just not a huge hit in the HK award shows but he’s huge all over the world. All of his songs are always widely sung at karaoke joints and all his concerts are always sold out.
Btw – Jacky Cheung has not had a decent hit in almost a decade, does that make him an awful singer?
An artist should be judged on how well his representative work last through time.
Ughh .. I hope you read this, Snoopy! I have no problem with you not liking him as an artist but don’t throw your opinions around as facts. Ridic.
Larry 3: Thats great, because that business stradegy is dying.
TVB needs new leadership.
sandcherry: “It’s an ad for curing back pains. Fits right in with this article.” ….. Where is the ad? I did not see it!
YanYanKong: Atleast he’s not waisting his life in a bad way like those “Foo Yee Doi” / spoiled kids of rich dad (playboy). He’s actually wasting his life doing something meaningful, omething he’s passionate about and enjoys doing. YanYanKong: @looooo YanYanKong: I dunno if It was a coincidence for me, but nice ad on this page. It’s an ad for curing back pains. Fits right in with this article. Lols. Fox: And lose quite a lot business relationships. Fox: You mentioned it and I think she looks quite resemble to Rebecca Romjin. BTW, I think she is quite good at acting. Fox: Wow again @ 620. Other than being very powerful, now she can control the world, LOL. Next time, maybe we will see she flies =)). Fox: I hope you can see the above matter in other aspect that all of exoidus, me and NX solved the matters between us and all accept to move on before HTS, Veejay and Funn Lim joined. So these actions might have a good intention but a bad timing.
In details, you basically have the same opinion with me about this but I’m more open. I don’t have a matter of criticism and like or dislike or hate someone is the own right of every single person. But I believe that everyone also have own standard and line. This line is supposed to not be passed. If this line is passed, it will come to an ill feeling. However, the standard of each person is different so you can’t define why someone is pissed off at something you find very normal. On the other hand, it seems to be the matter of two sides in a case only, and the involvement of third party, if is not in order to solve it, then shouldn’t appear. Besides, when the case is solved, any involvement, either stay in any side, will just make it worse. In the above case, the issue was already dropped and all moved on, but the involvement of HTS, Veejay, NX and Funn Lim made it again. I don’t deny that I was pissed off, not with exoidus anymore because our problem was solved but with the involvement of them in the very wrong timing. If their intention is help to stop the matter, then what to help in a solved case? That’s why they are being replied. For example, I now say that I see their blasts, is it a view and a help of me? Of course not.
The criticism is nothing wrong because all of us have something we like and something we dislike/hate. Can’t ask us to be hypocrite to praise something we dislike/hate very much. This thing is pretty normal.
Whatever, I’ve said enough. This one will be the very last time I post about the above topic. I don’t want anyone to be out so I hope nobody will continue to call me out. That’s all.
Fox: @corea: Ok, the problem of pressure affecting back dun relate to sex. Jayne: It would be great if everyone exercises more thoughtfulnesses into their comments. If you have been offended by others’ comments, we should also examine our own and perhaps whether it has crossed the line or not.
Exoidus has been a long timer on this site and his recent remarks and the reaction it generated naturally aroused people’s concern. Funn, veejay and HeTieShou were only trying to help the situation by offering their perspective and given this is an open type of forum, anyone can jump in and offer their take on matters. Their intention is to offer their help and why should their efforts be criticized and essentially be blasted?
Many long timers here have made their artist likes and dislikes known many times in the past and will no doubt continue to do so. the respect you hope and ask for other people to have towards your favorite artists should be an courtesy that you practice yourself as well. In essence, if you are rude towards other artists and making a concerted effort every chance you get to drag down their reputation (which may border as malicious intent) yet asking for others to respect your favorite artists that is indeed unfair.
We are here because of our love for hk entertainment and while everyone has their preferences, there is no need to jump on each other.
Rather be so ready to criticize others, we should do our own part well. Exercise respect towards others if we wish our own artists and interests to be respected.
Rather than continue to call people out and generate ill feelings, let’ s all drop the issue and move on.
Larry 3: If they would only fire 620, they would have $$$$$$ for scriptwritters or even producers, cheapass TeeVeeBee
corea: you have too much xxx, xxx less imo Larry 3: He did regret it… Mavis Pan
Ha!
Larry 3: Then TVB is not happy if he quits tv series.
IMO, he should quit while he sucks further.
akazuki: some has said worse things abt everybody else Larry 3: 620 is an evil witch. A control freak.
NX: Josie, I’m better than you, I’ll wish Fox the best with LF, haha…
claimine: For those who would like to know more indepth the job of a HK social worker, goto http://stevenma-fanblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/steven-doing-social-works-at-at-tvb8.html
where Steven in 2005 星想事成 (Realizing Celebrity’s Dream)tv program did a special report on it.
NX: @VeejayThis is one:
I guess we’ve stop chatting about LF’s loyal fans or else they will hitting on us later
When did a LF’s loyal fan hit you, hurt you? Who? Or are you accussing them of what they have not done?
For sometimes, I have the feeling that you care about LF than any loyal fans he has. And not only care for LF, you also put great care for his fans. Why do you need to care so much? Are you LFfan’s loyal fans? Its just too frightening imo!
I guess that’s what they called loyal fans.. (its just too frightening imo)
If you called being pissed off by seeing someone making unthoughtful jokes about someone else’s illness is being the later’s loyal fan, then do you mean I am a loyal fan of a dog too? Sorry, if you were being make fun of because of your illness, I’ll react the same way, that does not mean I’m your fan.
I’m not trying to get involve or protect anyone here
Exoidus knows what happen, we have come to a compromise, why do you have to comment? When you comment, you automaticly be involved in. The most funny thing is, the insiders have already solved the problem, then you suddenly appear and give comments to dig up the matter, and then say forget about it and move on. It’s not a drama and you’re not the director. After watching, you jump in make comments, then you say cut? If then, don’t say anything from the begining.
Btw, I have never said you are “protecting” anyone, you are saying out your own thought?
In addition, there’s something I want to make it clear again.
The fact that I like an artist does not mean that I idolize him or her. You go ahead criticize him on whatever you want, have I ever said that: don’t say he looks ugly, don’t say his acting is not good, blah blah blah, ??? I said: don’t make fun of his illness or anyone’s illness.
He’s nothing angel but he’s human and he need to have least respect that a human should have. I think you have agreed with me on this point.
peary: anyone else thinks myolie looks like an asian version of rebecca romjin, mystique from xmen? despite her “hardwork” and “success”, she’s just a mediocre actress. Funn Lim: I saw the road home. She was Zhang Yimou’s muse. And that was how she got recognised. How she got famous?
Squatting rabbit Invisible komodo. Yeah that movie. But I don’t recall this was her 2nd film. I thought she filmed a lot of Chinese films, the road home being most prominent. Now I know! She got famous rather early. And checked her latest pics, wow, she has aged. Gong Li still looks great.
looooo: If 620 love LF, she should allow him to have sufficient rest. He is famous and popular enough to have a decent rest and would not effect his status in this industry Fox: @Funn: If you think so then welcome, I won’t never reply to your post from now on. In this last post to you, I want to point that:
Whatever I want to say you pointed out yourself but it seems when it comes to YOUR opinion you don’t take the same view.
Is also something you did, do and doing.
Funn Lim: Fox, I don’t appreciate your reply and it seems you have double standard. From now on I will not reply to your posts. Any reply will be indirect response to someone else’s. Whatever I want to say you pointed out yourself but it seems when it comes to YOUR opinion you don’t take the same view. So be it. Fox: Finally finish this series and minus one point to the ending. And I think Linda had a very poor performance when trying to act Sheung Joi Sum version 2 with more annoying faces. Fox: Hey in this case surgery is very dangerous. 30% to die immeadiately. Fox: @Veejay: If you have back problem, don’t do exercise or you will make it worse. Ppl often think that exercise will help but not really in some cases, especially when it is relating to back. Fox: @Veejay: Lol, you must say that I’m making josie like my husband now =)), if he is a guy , or wife if she is a girl. I admire her humour sense.
You are making me like your love rival now =)). Take thing easy, ok?
@Josie: Haha, we together can make a team. I dun mind because your great humour sense can make life with full of laugh. Nice life.
Fox: Sorry for the late reply. I’ve busy yesterday.
@HTS, Veejay, Funn: What I tried to point out to Exoidus, I said all above. It isn’t a matter to me if you think this post doesn’t have a problem because I pointed out the matter I saw in his/her post. So what is so wrong in here? You have your view and I also have mind. I said, it isn’t nice to make fun of ANYONE’s illness. That’s ok? If it isn’t LF but anyone else, even a dog like NX said, I’ll also say the same thing.
You can think of me as an overzealous fans, welcome. Not a big deal. You think you guys are not? Also not a big deal. In fact, me, exoidus and NX all let go the problem UNTIL you guys get butt in? So what is the problem in here and why you think we can’t let go? Or you just want to put some oil in a fire?
Here is an open forum, all of us understand. Nobody have any problem with it. So why can’t anyone point out a problem we found in a post? I saw you all do such thing, and so do I. The sameeeeeee.
In the end of the day, I repeat again: No doubt that you guys all can make the criticism to anything about anyone, and so do I. But I believe it isn’t a good thing to make fun of someone’s illness that can affect their life so much. However, if you think it is a good thing to do, go ahead and do so. Your business. But I’ll comment you. Done.
TVBFanatic: According to Wiki..
“At the age of 19, Zhang was offered her first role in Zhang Yimou’s The Road Home, which won the Silver Bear award in the 1999 Berlin Film Festival.
She rose to further fame in 2000 with her role as Jen (Chinese version: Yu Jiao Long) in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, for which she won several awards in the Western world, such as Chicago Film Critics Association Awards, Toronto Film Critics Association Awards and Independent Spirit Awards. Zhang’s first appearance in an American movie was in Rush Hour 2, but because she did not speak English at the time, Jackie Chan had to interpret everything the director said to her. In the movie, her character’s name is “Hu Li”, which is Mandarin Chinese for “Fox”.
Zhang then appeared in Hero (2002), with her early mentor Zhang Yimou. This was a huge success in the English-speaking world and was nominated for an Oscar and a Golden Globe award in the category of Best Foreign Language Film.”
So Crouching Tiger was her second film.
may scully: I like when they kiss can tell they both love it OMG they use tough n she actually can eat Eason up …i don,t thing Desine is a lesbian from the way she desire Eason n i find both of them sexy ….
Charbydis: I trust Damian! In the past when he was in ATV, he used to discuss with the director about historical scenes as well. I think Damian’s input will give “Prominent Family” somthing extra! At least we know he is not sloppy like the usual TVB writers.
Nicole: I thought that in his post, Exoidus was very much praising Ray.
Even though his acting is going downhill he is still much better than Fala.
Ray’s acting hasn’t been going well, as we know that he’s overworked and sick. When he’s well rested, he will definitely be able to pull of a worthy performance. yet Exoidus does admit that Ray’s acting is good, and way better than Fala, even when he’s sick. And then he continues to criticise Fala and her “traitor” fans.
On the contrary his fans are really loyal. Even if he can’t move anymore he can still played roles like “the four” or other characters that don’t require any movements (crime analyst etc.) Even if his face is ruined, die hard fans will still be their for him bc of his “eyes acting” hehe.
Admits that Ray is really popular with fans, and have die hard fans, unlike those of Fala whom he had compared with. And also comes to the consensus that his acting is good enough for just “eyes acting”.
But, there has been quite a bit of bad blood between exoidus and LF fans like Fox and NX.
@VeeJay, when you said “ok, I’m not trying to get involve or protect anyone here but judging from Exoidus’ post there, I don’t see any hostility towards LF at all.”, this is what I feel.
The slightest thing may cause them to misunderstand, due to previous “jokes and snark” exoidus has directed towards LF. Thus while the comment may not be the cause, it’s definitely the catalyst.
Funn Lim: Drugs is not a solution. He can get hooked on it. I think his situation sounds like George Clooney’s? He needs surgery and rest. Like I said, I am sure there is an escape clause in his contract. It is whether he is willing to sacrifice his earnings and fame for a year or 2. Funn Lim: Agree I suppose. And I find it so rude that someone so jr can push around a sr like that. That is unrealistic. Hospitals are where hierarchy is very very strict. I love to see Tavia scolding Mandy because that would seem logical. But in TVB it won’t happen. And Mandy will forgive her once Tavia has a brain tumour, or the other way around. Funn Lim: I don’t think Exoidus need to apologise for what is a small remark blown big by overzealous fans who can’t take any comment except the most sunshine rainbow and apple pie comments about their idol. Some has said worse things abt everybody else. Moreover this is not a Raymond Lam fan club, that would be wrong. This is a common forum. What Exoidus said isn’t too out of way or taboo. It is a statement. Veejay: And what’s the mean jokes that “WE” made? Veejay: @NX,
ok, I’m not trying to get involve or protect anyone here but judging from Exoidus’ post there, I don’t see any hostility towards LF at all. Exoidus even wishes LF can recover soon etc. Maybe the last sentence of Exoidus’ posting may sounds a bit sarcasm on his fans will hurt the innocents but I’m sure he was just joking with yall. So let’s just forget about this and move on, ok?
?: And I would like to agree with Funn Lim. I don’t find him entertaining either, let alone his acting. Singing? Ha ha ha ha! ?: josie,
Sorry, I’m back. I’ve been very busy for these few weeks, and no, I didn’t watch most of his dramas(some I did but not because of him). Anyway, do you want to know why I knew he appeared to be shirtless? Go and watch the theme songs for Home Troopers, Only You as well as Ghetto Justice. He appeared to be shirtless in the songs. You don’t need to watch the whole dramas in order to know how he is shirtless.
sandcherry: Raymond, you`d better do something to take care of your body. Otherwise, you will regret in future. josie: Veejay,
If LF was Fox’s husband, I would be green w/ envy!
I actually don’t mind your jokes but not sure what’s up w/ that exoidus dude. I call him out on his constant whining over “chok” and he tries to pretend he had altruistic motives. Even try to compare it to corporate fraud and rape. I think that is stooping too low.
NX: @Foxie baby: there are some people who try to hard to be funny but end up ridiculous. There are limits to every talents, including making jokes.
Josie: I don’t think Kate have any scene with him recently. He stick with Ella most of the time.
NX: I think it’s you guys who are over sensitive when all going around saying that only because I like LF, I react that way. I have said already, even if this is about a dog, I would do the same thing. There is something called “do the right thing at the right place”. If you agree with me this news is not funny at all, then why trying to make jokes out of LFfans again? Be more thoughtful with your word since I know that you all know how to think.
If you feel “scary” and you are smart enough, you should know where to stop. Actually the matters have been over and exoidus knows what we mean, why do you guys have to dig it up and make mean jokes again?
looooo: From the clips, he really look exhausted-
IFPI 2011
Veejay: yup scary is the word hehe
I guess we’ve stop chatting about LF’s loyal fans or else they will hitting on us later 
HeTieShou: @Veejay, Veejay: haha, that’s okay.
I actually feel that they were a little too angry over exoidus, even if Exoidus meant it as joke, I’m sure he doesn’t wants LF to be sick. I guess that’s what they called loyal fans.. (its just too frightening imo)
HeTieShou: Hi Veejay, HeTieShou: @Veejay, simplitee: Solved for now but not for long. HeTieShou: I also want to add that I do agree that it is NOT good to make fun of anyone’s illness or joke about certain things… There are many things that should not be joked about. But anyways, I hope that you guys can all forgive Exoidus and just move on… I am sure that she did not mean it in that way since she doesn’t seem like that type of person… Veejay: HTS,
I also don’t think Exoidus is that bad too..
and Exoidus is a guy lol not gurl
P. Tan: Larry 3, I do tend to agree with you when you said that if the story, acting, cases and I would include the script too are good then the series should and in this case, is good. Of course nobody can be perfect in his or her acting, but the total effect is important. Also, you may enjoy the acting of some more than others which is subjective. So, on the whole, the series, especially Kevin’s portrayal of Law Ba, has gained the praises of most people who just can’t wait for Ghetto Justice2. HeTieShou: WOW, you guys must be big fans of Ray to get so mad at Exoidus. I have been talking to Exiodus for awhile and she doesn’t seem like that type of person that has no humanity. I guess you guys are just too sensitive since you like Raymond so much. I read what Exoidus wrote and I don’t think it is as bad as you guys think. I think if you really really like Ray and are a die hard fan then it would offend you more, but if you aren’t and are more neutral then it wouldn’t be as bad… HeTieShou: I am sure he does have a make up team but maybe he is so busy that he didn’t have time to sit there to have them bundle him up?? Ribb: Ahem, most of the TVB actresses don’t know the beauty of being curvy. Stick-thin is sexy sexy sexy for them! Being thin is acceptable when you have a bit of flesh on your face. But some have bones jutting out on the faces … tht’s so yucky and old … and WITCHY! Ribb: Mandy is childish. She hates everything bout Tavia because Tavia has better life than her – a famous doctor daddy, rich family, good results, good performance in training, etc! Not to forget Him likes Tavia … haha ha ha… Ribb: No Jessica PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! I dun like her … HeTieShou: I personally don’t think being a perfectionist is necessary a good trait since NOTHING is perfect. You try your best, but whether it can be perfect or is perfect is a different story. You put stress on yourself and I don’t find that a good thing at all… As long as you try your best, that is the most important thing. Veejay: WB HTS, where you have been? missed your posts Veejay: But its sad ending with Linda leaving Ron when they are the supposed to be the actual pair/couple. But I won’t blame Ron for falling for JJ since JJ has been with him thru thin and thick moment while Linda was often seen hanging with Michael which broke Ron’s heart. I guess it’s all Linda’s fault for the whole outcome. HeTieShou: I heard that Ming Dao has now gone for his military service as well. I am glad that they are all finally enlisting.
darren: can anyone tell me how zhang yiyi got famous? Plz don’t answer me flying tiger and swimming lion darren: taiwan is ready to fight china so they have to prep up. Ribb: Yah, Mandy/Oscar suck hard. Thick-faced to want the unit all to themselves. Every unit they live in was all paid or built by MM. So shameless …. Even their salary comes from MM. :S :S Ribb: Linda likes her boss, part of it is also her attraction towards Jim, not merely debts … Maybe she doesn’t love Jim but she likes him and there’s attraction! Ribb: ha ha yes, I also wonder what kinda reward Linda got. She is not a bad woman. I wouldn’t label her as such. She is kind, sweet, and a nice person. The fact that Jim is married made her feel guilty towards his wife. If she were truly bad, she would have grabbed Jim. It’s not bout reward or punishment. It’s bout mistakes, learning, moving on and appreciating. Why shd life be all about rewards and punishment? Kidd: Vicki’s little girl is so cute. Ribb: Ron & Linda back together will portray the usual TVB story. Nothing special. Ron appreciates JJ and he simply cannot leave any one. But Linda made the decision for him because she loves him and does not want him to make a hard decision. Linda loves him enough to leave him. And he might not love JJ as passionately as he did Linda but he develops gratitude towards her. Veejay: He needs a long vacation and nerve treatment because its really painful which I’m currently encountering. Pressure and poor health management are usually the one that contributed to this problem. P. Tan: Raymond’s back problem is really serious and what Jane and some others of you say is true. He should not rely sole on drugs to keep off his pain, which, I hear, can be very excruciating. sounds like President JFK’s back problem and he had to wear a corset for his back most of the time. Raymond needs lots of rest, first of all and I think he should refrain from all strenuous activities which he is doing now while performing. Jumping on especially hard surfaces is bad on the knees and back. Even standing now hurts his back and shows how srious his condition is. Veejay: Well, we all should know that these artists were NOT born with slim figure and pretty faces. I’m sure they’ve went thru hell to achieve that.
bloom: i think she has good figure. didn’t know she has to put in so much effort to achieve that. Veejay: Honestly, TY should really gain some weights. She’s too skinny just skin and bone on her. Veejay: I gotta agree with you that Ty’s nose is really distracting. I’m not a TY’s hater and I kinda like her old series infact but however her nose is getting longer and longer until her face’s proportion is so out of shape! Ty’s face is skinny to support that long nose of hers..she should really drop those injections and let her nose regained its shape to normal.. and also plz gain some weights…she looks like some dried stick Boscolie: Hope he get better soon. Wish him all the best in his concert n everything else. TAKE CARE LF P. Tan: To give a fresh feeling to these doctor and hospital themes perhaps they could produce something on the lines of the “Doctor in the House” series. The story could be serious as well as witty and funny. Dirk Bogarde was excellent as the main fucus. I’m afraid it’s ancient and I don’t think you were anywhere around then! The stories were hilarious and it brings to mind Law Ba and the Ghetto Justice, fresh and funny and good entertainment.
Tess: Don’t mind me, I found it! Vivien: LOL natural Larry 3: Natural….ha! Larry 3: He can’t say NO to 620. Larry 3: He has a history of poor health; widely reported over his career, he can recover … or not. Larry 3: Is it a one day miracle? Larry 3: Drugs… problem solved. Larry 3: ? Larry 3: lol… funny & right. Larry 3: Does Raymond Lam have a makeup team 24/7? He sure needs one.
Hannah: I think Fala might suit this role. Maybe a pediatrician or internist. It’s not like Madam Jo where she lacks the authoritative feel. Doctors don’t emphasize on that. Hannah: Too distracted by TYs nose to notice anything else. Srly, TY and her fans must be joking to say her nose is natural.
Jk: A fan or not, should be respectful. Some of the things written only tell ppl that you are very ill-mannered. Tess: Does anyone have a link to the original article? I can’t seem to find it on ifeng.com.
exoidus: I really appreciate your jokes however people are too serious and especially when it comes to their idols.
Well it sounds that you are doing proper exercise already so you certainly don’t need my help la.
veejay: Thanks for those suggestions and im actually quite an easy goin person hence my constant jokes that upset some ppl here. I will exercise atleast 20 mins before to bed. Sorry im using mobile to chat, its quite difficult to actually type on a touch screen Funn Lim: We are talking full frontal nude or just naked? looooo: no point winning tv king since LF had won asia pacific most popular hk singer for three consecutive years. exoidus: @Veejay, you should try to take it easy then, sure its easier said than done though.
Perhaps you could try some spa treatments if you haven’t already. Yoga and meditation might also be good alternatives as well even though I haven’t tried it myself.
Swimming is supposed to be very good for the back and if you want to stress down my favorite is running
looooo: you mean missionary? veejay: Ure making Lf like he’s your husband now. Take it easy ok? It was just a joke Kidd: In one scene John Lone was fully naked. That was after Jeremy Irons knew he was a man.
If Tony Leung is not fully naked in ‘Lust and Caution’, I don’t know what is.
Funn Lim: between he does look sick. Again he should take the initiative and just go for a long rest for a while. Like those hollywood stars who can say “I am off work for 2 years” as easily as saying “I will have a burger today”. I bet saying having a burger is more difficult! Funn Lim: Was he trying some kamasutra back flip whatever? Or some really energetic girl on top? It could be, could be. Come on, those aren’t haters. They’re just speculators, gossipers, that sort. Haters are those who says “I wish his spine moves” that sort of thing. Differentiate between pure gossip and malicious gossip. Funn Lim: John Lone in ‘M. Butterfly’.I didn’t remember Tony Leung showing full frontal nude, or even John Lone? More so John Lone since in that movie Jeremy Irons didn’t even know he was a man. He was always fully dressed in sex. By the way very good movie.
Fox: Clap hand*. Lan Yu is a very touching movie. I did cry when Liu Ye left the house. He moved me a lot. Fox: Make fun of someone’s illness is never a good thing to do. BTW, whatever ppl do, the similar consequences will come. Haizz. Fox: Your humor sense is great, josie. But too bad not everyone can do like you and some is making it gross as a reply to you. What’s a pity to the joke. Fox: @ veejay: I blv chance for me to mistaken you and exoidus is very low. We knew each other in this site well enough to differ who is who.
So your point is that whoever go to a concert of someone means they (the concert holders) are talented or not? Lol, I swear I will lol if there is a news on LF’s appearance in William, for example,’s concert in the future. Or his appearance in Eason’s.
Last time LF concert had Janice Vidal, Kelly Chan, Mirriam Yeung, Andy Hui, Fama who are not from Txb nor EEG. To come to watch there are a lot of singers group such as Pakho, Ellane who are also not from his companies. What is your point to this?
Have you ever seen Eason, for example, deny the offer sent to him? Everyone has a management and this management do all the promote stuff to them. What is so different of LF to have Txb? Wat did they do to promote his singing career other than the themesongs? And they are the themesong of the series with him. In this case, Linda is the same? Even Moses. Then wat’s up more?
In fact if don’t want to see, 1 is still to much. just so.
Veejay: pressure can costs anything even incurable illness… I guess we just have to take life easy.
pretty: Be come big is not imposible, coz u knowlah the husband every night massage, so what the big deal Hannah: Fala and Raymond are in different situations.
Fala didn’t start filming for PF yet while Raymond is in the middle of filming his new series.
And, Fala didn’t have any other work. Raymond has too many things going on – shooting series, music, etc.
Kidd: I’ll add 3 more to the list.
John Lone in ‘M. Butterfly’.
Tony Leung in ‘Lust and Caution’
Another trivia:
City Without Baseball
Permanent Residence
Amphetamine
Lan Yu
All 4 the above are gay movies. Of the 4, I’ve only watch ‘Lan Yu’ which I love. It’s a movie based on a popular online gay novel called ‘Beijing Story’. Liu Ye won his first golden horse award for the role of Lan Yu.
‘City’, ‘Permanent’ and ‘Amphetamine’ are all produced and directed by the same director called Scud.
looooo: We all knew that become a famous celebrities have high stress indexs especially hk celebrities.e.g- alan tam refuse to accept JSG award at the age 35 ,leslie cheung quit showbiz at the age 33 before return 4 years later. Leon lai refuse to accept any hk award at the age 32. Veejay: dragonia,
Does this Dr. Pang charges costly?
Can Dr. pang heals any back pain due to nerve problem and etc?
Veejay: I hope Flora won’t participant in TIT2 just be cause her time/era is so over already. I have nothing against her but I don’t think I’ll interested to see these veteran artists having any intimate relationship anymore. simplitee: Just as heartless as the reporters.. simplitee: So professional! 
iciel: I think Mandy hates Tavia and her dad’s “wealth” so to say. Remember how her grandma put down Mandy’s dad for being poor and always praise Tavia’s dad instead. Yeah, if I grew up listening to all that crap I would hate privileged people like Tavia too sandcherry: Poor Raymond and stupid Raymond. He should never have picked this Mainland China doll to be his girlfriend. She ruined his future. Sorry for him. I think he is quite a nice and innocent guy. Jayne: Wai Kit, looooo: His face feature infact look really tired and exhausted.Like he had not sleep for 36 hours Larry 3: More like moisturize his bad looking face.
Yee: The most positive comments about Lf’s Chok anywhere on the internet. So refreshing…hate is just everywhere for this song… Veejay: I think LF needs to wear a pad to cover his “groin” since its Kate who will be doing romantic scene with him (its his type of girl too imo, with those “S” shape and pouty lips) Veejay: Unless vicki is dare to strip naked sun bathing with those millionaires and billionaires or else she won’t be as famous as Zhang in the next few years.
Wai Kit: Sorry – typing error: meant _HK_ movie ‘Robotrix’! Wai Kit: Not only Sunny Chan, who showed everything in Hong Kong movie ‘Hold You Tight’. So did Hong Kong actor Michael Lam, who showed everything in ‘Bugis Street’, as did Ron Heung and the Hong Kong National Baseball Team in ‘City Without Baseball’, Hong Kong actors Sean Li & Osman Hung in ‘Permanent Residence’, Hong Kong actor Byron Pang & Thomas Price in ‘Amphetamine’, many Hong Kong actors in ‘Love Actually… Sucks’, Chinese Singaporean actor Loo Zihan in ‘Pleasure Factory’, Chinese actors in ‘Lan Yu’ and Chinese Taiwanese in ‘Winds of September’, a Hong Kong actor in UK movie ‘Robotrix’, Chinese American actors in ‘Under One Roof’, Steve Tran in French film ‘Cold Showers’, Chinese & other Asian actors in ‘The Pillow Book’, a Chinese guy in Royston Tang’s film ’15′, Japanese guys in ‘In the Realm of the Senses’, a Japanese guy in ‘EuroTrip’ and many more…! 
Critics: She might not be as famous as Zhang Ziyi but she has a balanced life – family and career. Critics: Vicki, please cast newcomers for your movie.
I believe there are lots of capable new actors/actresses coming on to the scene right now.
Veejay: I think this is due to extreme pressure because i’ve the same problem too. looooo: moisturise his back? Veejay: Did fox mistaken you as me? exoidus..
anyway, LF’s voice is okay but dun like how he accepted those “offers” though when I think he can actually decline them..
I could understand LF still has contract with t-vb but as someone recognised and popular like him..I’m sure he can say no and let the so called “music award” to be awarded to those who truly deserved it.
Anyway, I just saw William So’s concert on newspaper few days ago and there were good friends attending it to show support and etc but I see no sign of LF though and yeah it’s cuz he’s no good friend of them esp when Eason was present that night. My Point is most william’s good friends are neither potential or really good singers and none of them really need tvbb or whatsoever to promote them “non-stop”.
In the end.. I still like some of LF’s songs but just can’t accept the way he accepted all these “offers” which eventually made ppl to think he has it all because ppl helped him to climb up to the top without trying.
kixbaby: well, it’s not illogical. usually the one on top has back pain. lmao.
melanie: i figured that maybe mandy doesn’t hate tavia but she hates tavia’s dad for making her mom lose her daughter? she hates tavia’s dad but mandy can only express her hate through tavia. melanie: me too. i find it very enjoyable and i love kenneth. i was annoyed with him law at first but now that he is becoming more serious, i am starting to like him now. personally, i don’t see the whole plagiarism just because it is a medical drama and it is like ER and Grey’s Anatomy essentially. its similar to the cop or forensic type dramas. it just depends on the characters really. ladeda: Has anyone been to the HK discussion board? People are implying the back pain is from too much “exercise” in bed. There are so many Raymond haters there. For every one fan he has, there are nine that will happily stab him to death with critism. kixbaby: i’m sure there will be lotion to moisturize it back into shape again
Humour Me: I hope not! That’s sickening. NX: OK, if you have trouble read between the lines then next time I’ll make it less complicated and say it direct to your face: Don’t ever make fun of anyone’s illness, it’s only make you look bad, really bad.
Applelim: Good to hear that he has stepped in. Sure he will provide rich resource and backup to the series. exoidus: No need to im 100% sure I won’t find anything.
Still if you want to believe it then its fine with me.
Just a thought: Jayne, I believe the series you were referring to was Growing Through Life? You must have had To Grow With Love in your mind because of Boscolie, haha. n__n
On topic, Damien has always been a dedicated and outstanding veteran actor in my eyes so I agree with most comments.
exoidus: I will try to be more thouhgtful next time Fox as I can understand what you are saying.
NX if you had said it like Fox I would have accepted it already.
Fox: Give a big yawn*. You can do the research again in Jaynestars and you will find it. I don’t have the whole day to argue on you posted what because it all comes from your mind.
Ok, let it go. I’ll take note that you downloaded her album and think buying 5 albums of Linda is a very shameful action. Done.
NX: A big clap for Fox, what she said is exactly what I mean. Please be more responsible with your word. Fox: Now you see the problem but you are still not thoughtful enough. Again, you are insulting his fans with the mentioned last sentence. You are assuming you are the innocent ppl who we are bullying? PLEASE! Whoever do anything harm to you or touch to any of your hair? Ridiculous. I tried to let this quote go when you first posted it, but now you mention of it again, I now want to point you how harsh you was.
Your funny way, it isn’t funny at all. And what I and NX tried to tell you were: You should be more thoughtful with wording or you will make yourself look bad. There is a border for anything and don’t pass the line. That’s all.
exoidus: No, you said that I posted that I lived in Msia.
If I really said that I wouldn’t keep denying it why should I?
I don’t know where you got the idea from I guess someone else said that somewhere.
exoidus: Again, I was only differentiate their respective values in a funny way, but I see that people might react and that’s why I said the last sentence.
I don’t want him any harm and sure I couldn’t influence it anyway.
Suppose I should’ve have been more thouhgtful I can see that.
Fox: I have no idea where you are living, so through your comments I made a guess that you live in Msia. But that dun mean I mistaken you with someone.
That time you said you were crazy about Linda and bought several albums of her to show your support. This one posted on March or April last year, so it wasn’t too long. You keep denying, for what? Feeling too shame to be Linda’s fan? Nah, no need to do such thing.
Fox: Critiques may be constructive but making fun over others’ illness is uncompassionate. exoidus: Well I might have said fan but no way “crazy fan” since im not so I certainly did not lie.
Last time you mistook me for someone else living in Msia rmb?
Fox: Here isn’t a matter about the criticism. You can criticize his look, his life style, his personality, his acting, etc. but making joke to anyone’s illness, it’s harsh and disrespectful. Anyone, LF or anyone else. If you say such thing to Linda or Kate or even TY (who I hate), I’ll say the same thing to you, so does other ppl. Fox: @exoidus: Crazy fan of Linda is something you also said. But you deny this, then ok. I’ll take note that you dun say the truth last time. Done. exoidus: NX: Why should I care if you question my humanity it’s not like you can make a verdict anyway.
I will say you are pretty extreme as I already told you that I was just trying to differentiate their respective values and that I don’t mean him any harm.
Maybe you should look more carefully as who is attacking who here…
NX: Exoidus: See? What all you care about is attacking other people anywhere, anyplace. You don’t care whether your humanity is questioned, you just care how to make other offense. But sorry, even I criticized LF myself, so you think I would commit suicide? No, thanks, I’m not at the extreme level you are in.
More importantly, criticizing someone and making jokes about one’s illness are two different stories my dear. Don’t mistake them for each other.
exoidus: @NX Tbh I don’t care if you question my humanity, however seeing the way you react you would probably kill anyone who dares to critize LF. NX: @Exoidus: If you feel fine with making jokes about other people’s illness then I have no more to say. Enjoy entertaining on others’ pain. Wish you all the best. NX: @exoidus: Even if you are laughing at a dog’s illness, I would question for your humanity. But oh well, you don’t know what it mean by the way you keep react. NX: Guess you will just ignore or run away when seeing a girl about to get raped in fear of being raped yourself.
And you will stand there, watch and laugh.
exoidus: @NX
I was trying to say that he got really loyal fans and was trying to joke about as in the last sentence.
Where did I say that I wish him something bad? Gosh his fans are always so freaking sensitive like noone should never ever joke about him.
It seems that you are proving me last sentence right!
exoidus: Im 100% sure it wasn’t me. Perhaps deep down inside you believe im a crazy Linda fan, LOL NX: @Larry, Exoidus: I would not be surprised if you two sing a merry song in someone’s funeral. NX: I was just trying to explain the difference between Fala and him.
You LOL at the news about someone could not get out of bed and suffering from serious pain. That is not a good scene to see at all!
Sorry for my double post.
NX: I was just trying to explain the difference between Fala and him.
You LOL at the news about someone could not get out of bed and suffering from serious pain. That is not a good scene to see at all!
NX: @exoidus: Ok, you’ve passed the line. Making fun of others’ illness is not fun at all. Especially to someone who have done no harm to you.
Plese get well soon otherwise your fans will go crazy and hurt innocent people
I think you are the one who should get well soon. There is something called Karma. If you wish someone worst, the worst will come to you. So keep this in mind, it’s for your own good. In fact, I just have the feeling that you’re trying to hard to attack people that you have forgot what is called humanity.
Fox: Then you shouldn’t say all the above things. They are harsh and disrespectful. Fox: Lol, I can’t rmb I mistaken you with anyone before and you still can check for your old posts. Maybe you forgot that. BTW, exoidus isn’t a hard username to rmb. exoidus: Wasn’t me for sure don’t think I even made a joke about it.
Seriously I would beat myself up if I was that crazy! Sure the album is not bad, but wouldn’t spend money buying it.
Besides it not the first time you mistake someone else as me.
Fox: No, it was you. 100% confirm and that was one of your first posts in here. I can rmb I think that you are super crazy to buy that much. Now if you say you downloaded, not buy then you lied either this time or last time. exoidus: I was just trying to explain the difference between Fala and him.
Ofcourse I don’t want something bad to happen to him even though im not a fan.
exoidus: You have mistaken someone else as me cause I haven’t even bought her album at all. Sure I have downloaded it, but buy many copies of it no way la. Fox: @exoidus: What you are saying is getting over. It is never a good thing for someone to have accident on work and can’t move anymore. What you are saying above is making yourself look like a very harsh person who is wishing the worst to come to someone. Fox: @Exoidus: Chok dun release as a single so no way to count it sale, have to count the whole album’s .
For the sale, not everyone will act like you who bought several albums of Linda to increase her sale . I bet that you have to give the album of Linda to your enemies or government so you bought that much, lol. Dun try to deny, you said yourself last time that you bought many albums of Linda to help her and I can rmb because I think it is so crazy of you.
Larry 3: Kate is going to rough Raymond Lam up in no time exoidus: LOL, why hire someone? Im sure his fans would do it for free… Larry 3: He could hire a cheap masseuse to $ave money. exoidus: In terms of backing he is unsurpassed!
Even though his acting is going downhill he is still much better than Fala. Fala’s acting is not even that good tbh. Her only selling point is her looks and if her face is ruined then it’s like killing the “golden goose” and fans will leave her.
On the contrary his fans are really loyal. Even if he can’t move anymore he can still played roles like “the four” or other characters that don’t require any movements (crime analyst etc.) Even if his face is ruined, die hard fans will still be their for him bc of his “eyes acting” hehe.
No wonder TVB didn’t cast him as a police officer earlier. The guy must be in very physical bad shape. So please TVB cast someone like Ruco, Rayong W. or even Wooden Ron since they will be able to wear the fake gear without getting injured, LOL.
Plese get well soon otherwise your fans will go crazy and hurt innocent people
exoidus: @Fox: The album itself can still be good even though 1-2 songs sucks right?. Guess you can help me out here since I have no idea. Is that particular single selling well?
In the end if he is making money he sure doesn’t care if the music itself is pure rubbish. Im sure many crazy fans have bought 10 albums each, while some others have bought it to give it to their worst enemies and even the Goverment has bought it to use in the interrogations, LOL
Josie: my mistake im a narc then. Guess what, the narcs are doing him a favor as our criticism hopefully will make him work harder to make quality music. You as a fan should be happy, otherwise the next song would’ve been “eating soft rice”. Perhaps you don’t care as long as its him singing.
If a person or a big corporation have done something illegal such as fraud then it should be exposed ASAP to limit the damaged to the economy (Enron, Madoff) so wristleblowers are actually doing something good.
Guess you will just ignore or run away when seeing a girl about to get raped in fear of being raped yourself.
Don’t tell me that you are a narc now…
looooo: when a rubber band stretch to hard , it will torn Yee: Maybe because the series hasn’t started so Fala backingbout for some rest time was easier. Or because she was in a lot of pain…thought at the awards she looked fine. But since LF just started filming, if he were to pull put TVB would lost money re filming those scenes and finding someone else. Maybe they’ll cut his hours for the meantime. But TVB CAN’T FORCE HIM TO WORK. In the end, it’s his choice…well they cab indirectly force him…maybe I dunno looooo: LF and Lam Yan Tung would be ideal since they see hing and see mui (same case as anita and leslie Vivien: Can’t help it. LF is too popular and TVB and EEG are milking and slaving him. Vivien: Fala got Neway’s heir as her backup ROFL Vivien: Poor LF. TVB and EEG are cruel employers!
ALice: SO STUPID ALSO HAVE. looooo: should consider quitting tv series.concentrate movie and music looooo: WE all know that LF is tvb ‘s tree of fortune.Need him to maximise hefty of wealth to cultivate’s company’s fortune lol: That’s it. Why is Fala given privilege to quit a series at the last minute and take a long break when her condition isn’t as serious as Raymond’s?
MARS: wish the best to fung and hope get better soon. josie: Exoidus,
You’re right, u would know a lot more about narcissism than me.
Anyway, narc actually means tattletale or ‘yeem Jai’. Like when someone keeps complaining “the city is dying!” and wants to report everybody to the ICAC. Oh well, I guess u didn’t get my joke either.
Summer: I mean it is hard to have the best of both worlds and let alone the best of three worlds (music, tv, and film). I think he should take a long rest and get his health back. His back pain sounds really serious, it might affect his movement in the future. Fala chen also took a month of rest. Nick Cannon left his radio show to rest after serious health problem. I think LF’s body is telling him it reaches it limits. He can still attend events. josie: But who would be a suitable partner for him to perform that song with? josie: Yes, the reporters asked Leo the same thing when he injured his waist. At least Leo has a long time gf who will stick by his side. But my LF is still single so it could possibly be a real concern for him. Poor guy. josie: Yeah, and hopefully Kate is not too rough on him if they have any love scenes. josie: Well, he does have 2 bosses- tvb and eeg. Maybe each side wants him to take time off on the other company’s time. Like tvb says u can rest after u finish this series. Then eeg says wait til u finish this album and concert.
Anyway, I hope LF gets better soon. Poor baby, I wish he had a nice gf to take care of him or
ping0: Good luck to Lina then, all she needs to is slip on as a guest star in a mainland series, and shine from there. Look at Hawick, no one though his status was good enough, look at him now. Linda is a good actress, I can see her growing! kixbaby: really? oh wow, what a messed up company. I guess his popularity’s on the rise so they don’t want to lose money. I thought he was just stupid about his health, but it’s his company ;(
irene: same here..one of my favourite actors..Adam Cheng too! lychii04: ^ The issue usually isn’t abt the length of service but rather the mandatory status of undergoing military training
Jayzemine: Wow, first neck injury now back, isn’t he too young to have such poor health! Those epidural steroid might create long term side effect, not a long term solution at all. No matter how professional or perfectionist, health is more important. Hope he gets some rest and recoup himself. lychii04: I was wondering the same thing lol. His instance seems even more serious than hers. Maybe cos she’s got “backing” as well as “secretly married” so she doesnt even need to act and not as popular?
dragonia: Come to Malaysia and visit Dr Pang, a korean who heals all kinds of back pain with his hands only (tuina). His patients come from as far as Japan and New Zealand to seek treatment. simplitee: He should scare them by quitting. If they still dont let, then dont even bother working for them (even though i am a fan of Raymond) but knowing LF, he wont do this. simplitee: He has no other choice. How is he going to perform in Australia with serious back pain? Not to mention, his LUML concert has a lot of dance moves. 
I worry for this guy.
ita: Health is the most important thing in life, Without health you won’t be able to enjoy all of the hard work and money. Back pain is serious thing. I’m quite surprise that he will take epidural injection. It could paralyze you if something went wrong. lol: I hope he gets better too. Luckily there’s not many action scenes that he needs to do in FC lol: I wonder how Fala is able to get a holiday and pull out of series easily too
sorrow: one year is not that long, in korea, men serve 2 years in military
Rika: Poor Raymond, hopes he get better soon 
Larry 3: He’s going to drop dead? Larry 3: The truth HeTieShou: TO SamH, HeTieShou: It is not true that all Viets, Thais, Cambodians and filipinos without mixed blood have big and flat noses and dark skin. I know many that are 100% but they have high noses and light skin naturally. It just varies… I have never heard of the noses having to do with breathing easier or not. I have heard of the region that you are living in makes your skin lighter or darker but not the nose. It also NOT true that the people in China, Korea and Japan generally have tall noses and oval faces. It really varies…. sandcherry: Money cannot always buy good health. Once his spine is injured, the chances of getting a complete recovery is not high at all.
I think it’s time for him to draw a line ….. risk his life to get fame and money, or take good care of his health first before moving on. Without good health, Raymond will not be able to enjoy his fame and money in future.
HeTieShou: Glad to see Vicki in her directional debut and hope that she is successful. Her daughter is so cute. She seems to have a happy family and hope that she will have more kids. looooo: This is professional slavery. HeTieShou: Yea, it doesn’t seem like Jessica enjoy works in CHina very much at all. She should join the new station since the pay is good and the other benefits are good too. NX: Dunno. But he submitted several work leave proposals but end up be denied. He has been asking for a 2 months break since 2010 but never succeeded. NX: He’s a perfectionist. A good but a bad characters at the same time. HeTieShou: I think many like Hong Kong more since it is their home and the filming conditions are better, while many also like CHina due to the high fees,new experiences, more rest,etc… I guess you get some you lose some. NX: There’s still a choice of using strong medicine with serious side effects to “get better and get back to work IMMEDIATELY”.
Last time with his necked injured, he only get 2 days off from work. Such a loooooooong rest.
Funn Lim: “He can only stop working after he lose his life.”
i KNOW HE HAS CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION BUT i AM SURE HERE IS AN ESCAPE CLAUSE IF HE IS SICK OR INJURED. iT IS IN THE END HIS CHOICE.
Jen: It is not true that all asians , except filipinos, thai, cambodians, etc have flat noses. MOst southeaast asian have big wide flat noses and no nose bridges. If they don’t then, they have blood from elsewhere. In China, KOrea, and Japan, there is population with tall narrow noses and oval faces. Southeast asians naturally have the biggest and flattest noses due to where they live. The flat wide noses makes breathing easier. Have you notice most people from cold weather/snow area have taller noses??? Viets, Thais, Cambodia and filipinas and malay people without outside blood have the biggest flattest noses and dark skin. Most Southeast asian get plastic surgery to the noses. HeTieShou: How come Fala got a break but he didn’t?? I guess it is because Fala isn’t as popular?? HeTieShou: It is so sad that Raymond has to work so hard… It’s not like he needs the money but I think he just wants to fulfill his work duties. I guess it is good to have work and be in high demand and all. However, if it affects your health this much then I don’t think that it is worth it. Health is everything since you can’t do anything without it. I wonder if Raymond ever thought about his health?? All of the wealth and riches in the world cannot buy back your health!! HeTieShou: Yea, they do get breaks but I am not sure how many and how often. I remember Jimmy Lin mentioning this in his diary. He said that he felt like a bird getting released from a cage… NX: LF will continue to work until he is not able to. Still remember the 2011 HKC concert when he kept dancing and bleeding at them same time; smiled, sang and casted blood all over the place. NX: TVB won’t let him. He did ask for work leave but has never been accepted. NX: Yep, he’s too irresponsible for himself. But that’s his professional, can never talk him out of it. He cares too much for how he will affect others and ill-treated himself. Dummy. Yee: I hope he gets better…maybe after this drama he can have some time off to relax, but I doubt it due to his concert in Australia. But maybe he will, like Fala pulled out of Prominent Family, and took some time off and she looks fine. Everyone needs a break… NX: He already has money to support for the rest of his life, not a normal one, but a luxirious one. He doesnt have to work that hard to pay his medicine. NX: Well, with LF, it’s not news at all. He has been suffering from various pain caused by heavy workload recent years. He’s a usual friend with the doctor, always asked for quick effect pain killed to get back to work immediately. kixbaby: he will have enough money for medical expenses later on in life no worries. work now and suffer later with money by your side.
Kelvin: Here’s the on.cc video of her
http://tv.on.cc/index.html?s=4&ss=20&i=OEN120217-7230-305M-1245&d=1329558257
TVBFanatic: Well, it shouldn’t affect fertility at all, but the act of procreation could be impacted maybe that’s what they were getting at? TVBFanatic: Loved her in 14 Blades. And you are as young as you think you are simplitee: This won’t be good in the long term if he continues to not get sufficient rest. :/ This guy needs a break. Seriously. simplitee: Stupid reporters are heartless to ask such questions. Fox: He thinks he is young and strong enough to waste his life, I guess. He is just too reckless to himself. kixbaby: he’s so hot Fox: @Exoidus: The same logic with your comment about the judges/jury . Just look at wat you posted again . If you are tired then ok, stop here. The support of majority HK with you seem dun have much effect since the album with the Chok song is still can sell well , 5 platinum discs in HK. I guess it is a better answer? looooo: in this clips, LF had commented that he personally love to perform this song with any artist….it will bring gimmicks since LF ‘s is big fan of leslie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiA_DW_bx9M&feature=endscreen
Babycakes: What?! A break already? Didn’t he just enter the military? Do they all get these breaks?
heleneshontellesekarore: i really hope you you guys make it i love ur songs?
purplepaw: hmm, one thing i don’t understand is why mandy hates tavia so much. i know that mandy found out tavia’s her half sister, but it’s not like tavia did anything. anyone got an explanation or a clue as to why? :p
Victoria: aww that rly sux for him. i hope he gets better and gets the chance to rest!
Meiyi: Yes Raymond needs a long rest not strong pain killers as its not good to depend on them. Better take good care of the back first. Work is never done, so Raymond, health is important.I am sure your Fans out there will understand that you need to have a long rest in order to be back in shape. God Bless You! looooo: Gosh , have you realise the top three male icon in hk music industry now are injured :-
eason = right kneecap injury (2012)
leo = waist and sciatica injury (2010)
LF = sciatica and neck injury (2012)
To much stress and not enough rest , i guess.
NX: Last time when he could not get out of bed he even joked: “Maybe coz I’m too used to not having enough rest that when I get enough sleep the whole body system does not want to work anymore”. Sign…. NX: OK, here come again. He can only stop working after he lose his life. Funn Lim: Doesn’t sound like a box office earner, but may win her awards though. I always felt she should have been more famous, more like Zhang Ziyi, better than Zhang Ziyi in fact, a pity she made some terrible choices. Funn Lim: Back pain affects fertility? I was more concerned with whether it will eventually affect his spine and his mobility! looooo: Gosh, this is not good for hk showbiz industry
Lucia: Even though Jessica and Francis acting are good, but “Healing Souls” is boring. Therefore, I stopped watching it after the first episode.
I like 36 Hours On Call more than Healing Souls.
exoidus: LOL, feel free to call me obsessed im just pointing out the how the majority of the HK population thinks myself included.
Josie, my ICAC comment was a joke, however I see you failed to grasp that. Why are you calling people narcissistic all the time? You should at least read on the subject first and perhaps you will find out you are one yourself!
@Fox
not the same, however im getting tired of this topic as we will never agree. Still im glad to have to support of the majority of the HK population…
Funn Lim: Why not? Maybe in HK a lot of head injuries. Fox: Oh thank you for the name. So different series. Fox: I agree . I dun plan to watch THC but I saw some previews and I think Lawrence’s look is better. No comment on the real series but just for the look and Paul Ching definitely can give me more gentleman feel. Fox: Francis did act many gentleman role, why can’t doctor? In an ATV series, he acted a serial killer with the nerdy harmless look and he did it convincingly. Fox: Maybe can pay money instead of fulfill the contract? Fox: NX and josie, you guys never fail to make to ROLF to your comments.
@Exoidus: Yeah on the case of beauty pregnant but isn’t it the same to this case? Chok might be not the best song but the judges to the award think it is the best song. Same logic, lol. So I’ll accept the fact that you are defending Chok, unintentionally but maybe deep in your heart you are feeling so. Lol.
josie: But her character was so stupid to love gallen more than chilam. My heart broke for him.
Kay: Nnadia sported the short hair for a very long time. Looking good in long hair. Brings out her feminine side. josie: Not only is exoidus obsessed w/ Chok, but also keeps wanting to call the ICAC on everyone. What a narc. josie: Funn,
They wanted to continue the same feel f/ “files of justice” so they need the pub scenes.
Even on “grey’s anatomy”, the doc’s get sloshed at the bar after their shifts.
josie: @Moses:
Can u use periods instead of commas for once? Your run-on sentences are confusing.
Anyway, did u actually watch HH? Lawrence ng was perfect as the dedicated neurosurgeon Paul ching. I can’t remember another doctor being portrayed so gentlemanly.
josie: If Francis can play pilot, why not doctor?
Gaga: Yer and the fact that such a big hospital has 5 housemen, 2 of whom were posted to neurosurgery? What a joke josie: For dramatic pacing, can’t really expect them to show us drawn out examinations for diagnosis. I wonder if Marcus kwok (Dr. Indonesian prince f/ Mr. Hk) was their medical consultant. I think he worked in the ER before.
md: This show is pretty unrealistic… Being a medical student myself I have difficulty believing some of the examination techniques and methods they use to reach their diagnoses in the show.
While it’s good that they’re introducing how doctors diagnose and treat diseases, much of what they do is wrong or done in such a random sequence they would not pass even the most basic undergraduate exam. I was also appalled by how they diagnosed cardiac tamponade (the man who fainted on the street) without even taking a proper history or doing the bare minimum of a physical examination. If they were wrong (and there’s a good chance that they were, given the scanty findings they had to point towards such a diagnosis), they would have punctured the heart.
What they have not managed to portray is how busy doctors are: most of the time, the doctors are seen sitting down, chatting, going to random wards to examine patients. This is a show that one should watch for the story, and not for a realistic portrayal of doctors’ lives.
Funn Lim: Fala as a nurse? Kinda underrated don;t you think? She looks smarter than a nurse. Again a doctor is not expected to take a gun and shoot and act tough so I do think she can make a believable doctor. If Ada Choi or Kenix Kwok can why can’t her? Vivien: If you want to cast Fala, make her a pretty intern or make her a pretty nurse. Vivien: Fala is pretty with a cute young face. She might make a believable intern or young nurse but a houseman doctor? Nope. That will be another LOO Superintendent Fala again. No I don’t mean girly but I mean look immature for the part. Jasmine: @ Fox Hi5 lol
@smurf120, yeah neurotic is quite an apt description
TVBaddict – yeah, like that’s the biggest tragedy ever to happen to a woman haha
Funn Lim: Why I said Fala is because a doctor has to look at least intelligent and Fala looks naturally graceful and she has an intelligent face. Little girl as doctors? Why not? Why can’t a doctor be girly? Moreover this character is supposed to be pretty, as in very pretty and graceful. Tavia is graceful when she wants to be but the pretty part is ruined by you know what. Fala is effortless in being graceful so I shall say Fala should be a perfect fit.
lychee: Eason needs to get laid cuz his wife wasn’t giving him any. The guy does not have any class, just last December, he said F**K you to reporters over divorce reports. Here is the article. http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/ent3578.html lychee: Agree!, Leslie was very handsome. Eason is super UGLY, even a face lift would not help his appearance. Luckily for him, at least he could sing, that’s about all. He doesn’t have the look and definitely can’t act. Summer: TVB needs to reflect on their production quality. They need an actor to point out their mistakes and error. What if they have no one to tell them the mistake and TVB air the drama. Then the audience finds out and TVB will once again make a fool out of themself. TVB should value their actors/actresses since they end up asking them to help even the behind-the -scene work.
TVBaddict: great minds think alike haha… she got me so annoyed…. and would cry over matters like 2 boys chasing after her -.- lychee: Agree! Leslie has more class compared to Eason. Eason looks like William Hung the skinny version. Although he could sing but definitely needs help on his appearance. Vivien: Fala is pretty, but she doesn’t look like a doctor. She’s already look like little girl playing cops and robbers in LOO and she will look like another little girl playing doctor doctor. Tavia and Fala both will look more believable being a nurse Funn Lim: You all already said what I wanted to say. By the way I would think Fala is suited for this role more than tavia in terms of looks, temperament, believability. NX: The only thing I can see in this conversation is exoidus great love to Chok, LF and Fox herself. Exoidus sleep with Chok, eat with Chok, and dying to raise the topic about Chok anytime, any place. Good luck. sandcherry: Agree that it has to do with their personalities …. Fala has a much stronger, aggressive and determined personality while Leanne is more passive and gentle.
Besides personality, I think Leanne has to work on her acting if she wants to act heavier roles. Fala is definitely very much better in her acting than Leanne.
Vivien: Francis Ng a doctor will be a joke! I prefer Kenneth more Kenneth has a more nice gentleman doctor face! Francis will look like he want to kill you LOL Vivien: @Funn
ROFL why no comment on Tavia?
DC: I think he’s bald for his role in The Great Eunuch only. He looks cuter with his hair… like in L’Escargot or Grace Under Fire hehe.
tvbholic: ruco is not only shy, he doesnt warm up to people easily.. and yes, it’s pretty obvious he keeps his distance from his female co-stars and looks like he doesnt really have any close female entertainment industry friends… pretty much like the guy who loves hanging out and doing guy’s stuff Funn Lim: I thought HH was rather pretentious. Cue PUB scene! So far not yet in THC, but soon will. Got red wine scene! Yes now I remember HH1 got such a scene. Robbery or something. Funn Lim: Actually Ken Ken is believable as a doctor. Right now I don’t think Mandy is believable as a trainee doctor but the girl can sulk! Tavia… I have no comment. Funn Lim: re-read this and realise if this series needs the actor to rewrite the script the original script must have been very very bad.
based: They are allowed to work on their own terms and schedule because they are no longer under TVB’s management. Louis Koo is a Media Asia Artist, while Flora is an independent contractor.
sushiroll: Oh f*** not another family fued drams. I’m so over this sh*t……. sushiroll: I don’t think filming TVB series is that profitable. Don’t the 2nd tier fadans only get like 5000Hk per episode? I don’t think she relying on filming to make ends needs. prob needs to do more ads etc. lol: Knowing that Damien becomes the scriptwriter makes me more interested to this series
munkimui: she’s pretty. i’m not sure if i seen any of her acting. but i do know who she is. she should try to lead…maybe…
Grace: Her acting is not that great yet becos’ she hasnt been given more roles. Grace: I like him too. He’s a natural! lol: According to the sales presentation clip I also believe Tavia will have a disease and will undergo surgery. Grace: I really hope to see her in bigger roles. She’s lovely & graceful !!!!! lol: Tavia isn’t believable as a doctor. She lacks a doctor charisma. Not that Kenneth has that much charisma either but he’s doing much better than Tavia and yes The Nose is distracting.
It’s ironic that the newbies are more likeable to watch than Tavia too in THC. I’m more interested and comfortable in Him , Mandy and Benjamin’s scenes compared to her because the nose takes away the focus.
Grace: Sounds like an interesting series!!! Grace: Love healing hands with Bowie! Grace: Flora should just film another series. Her charcater Flora was not so interesting in this series. Grace: It’s the personality. Leslie & especially Anita Mui are real performers, they could sing & dance so well. You just cant help but want to watch more from them.
But Eason…sigh… personally I prefer not to see him at all if I can help it. And for him to be doing this,. … It’s like a middle age uncle enaging in something lewd & shocking! Not pretty at all!!!
Jayne: Nicole,Kelvin,
I didn’t watch Ming Pao’s video to validate what the On.cc media had reported at the time the article was published.
I did quote the source of my article as from On.cc and not Ming Pao.
moses: Damien could give the kelefe Wong Cho Nam a lesson ,he could teach his acting skill to younger actress like Sire Ma to improve ,he believe if TVB want the kelefe Wong Cho Nam in this serial ,he could kick the guy out by shouting ,huh kelefe Wong ,please go bact to acting class or learn you acting lesson from you buddy Johnston Lee or Wong ,huh are you in TVB as actor because you rich daddy paid money to TVB ,bravo Damien. moses: Act in movie earn more money than act in TVB am i right? Khanh: Damien has been one of my favourite actors in such a long time, I seriously can’t wait for this series. moses: I like Oscar,let hope he move aways from his kelefe role and promote to leading actor ,he acting are more better than the other short kelefe and cannot really act Mr Wong Cho Lam,however i hope he keep his hair and not go bald like Mickey cheung wai kin . moses: Who cares about plagiarism,go to live in Palestine,Bangladesh,Iran or Pakistan for those who complain ,as long people like this drama is ok ,if Jayne hates this drama is not ok lah ,i like Kenneth Ma as doctor more than the soft porn actor Lawrence Ng as doctor in Healing Hand and gangster Frances Ng as doctor ,Kenneth look more gentleman compare to the hamsab doctor Lawrence Ng . Kelvin: Yeah, because Ming Pao says…
她的愛女今年9月將會入讀小學，她計劃下半年重返無綫拍劇。問到是否接拍《衝上雲霄2》？她說﹕「隨緣啦！其實跟無綫仍有部頭合約未完成，今年一定會跟無綫合作，但拍什麼劇仍未決定。（王維基有否邀加盟？）如果我說沒有，那會很奇怪。無論如何都要先完成無綫手頭上的合約，多錢與少錢，對我而言不是重點。」
There’s a video link to it too
http://ol.mingpao.com/cfm/star5.cfm?File=20120218/saa01/mea1.txt and you can watch/hear the artists reply.
Nicole: Different articles report differently?
陳慧珊復出搵銀撐破產夫，久未露面緊張得口窒窒，台下老公Mike迴避鏡頭，她承認金錢上有支持老公，即使申請破產仍會以老公為榮。女兒快滿五歲，陳慧珊稱會重投工作：「我同無綫仍有部頭約，未知會唔會拍《衝上雲霄2》，因為王維基、now都有聯絡過我！」
Larry 3: Must watch TVB series?
Veejay: Kidd,
I guess it’s because these artists are just too popular and TVB has no control on them in term of forcing them to fulfill the outstanding series they owed TVB (JUST my personal opinion, I could be wrong).
or
TVB has no interest in them (eg. Flora or Kenix or whosoever) since they are consider not as popular as the current fadans and not in hot demand. (again, another personal opinion).
P. Tan: Oops, sorry for the mistakes made while typing and thank you, Funn, for your Episodic Thoughts. Much thought has been given to your work and we do appreciate it. Kelvin: Are you translating this correctly? If you watch Ming Pao’s video of her actually replying to the reporters, she says that because her daughter is going to attend school coming September, she will have time to film a series for TVB later this year. She mentions that she still has a contract with TVB and will not think about the other stations (they have contacted her) until her contract ends. P. Tan: Well said, Bridget, and well done Funn. I enjoyed both of your and theo others’ comments. I’m afraid I’m not as analytical and critical as you, Funn. So long as the story does not get too absurd or silly I am quite satisfied. I love the final episode where love is portrayed perhaps at its highest if not second highest level. Because of love for Si-fu Law Ba was willing to sacrifice his whole career. Isn’t that sweet? Usually a you can’t take him serious sort of person he pays quite the ultimate price for the one he loves. I think that’s so noble and precious. At the end one can see that they are really in love. How touching and warm! Kevin and Myolie are a great pair and I hope they get together again soon. Kidd: Interesting how these artists can owe TVB episodes for years and TVB didn’t request them to fulfill their contract. Look at Louis Koo. He supposedly still owe TVB episodes, but, he doesn’t seem to have any intention to film series at all. He just keep doing movie projects after movie projects.
“We really hope that Flora can return to TVB to film for us!””
Why Virginia said they hope Flora will return. If Flora still own TVB episodes, she has to return, right? Very strange.
Kidd: Now, I’m even more looking forward to the series than before.
munkimui: He’s a romantic. That kitchen looks really dirty. munkimui: watching her cold blood warm heart now. really good!!!! i watched it over and over again. jessica is still looking good. Veejay: @hikaru,
Thanks for the information
Veejay: Damien seems to be a funny guy, read those message in those pics, they’re hillarious funny.
I guess Damien would make a scriptwriter since he has the experiences and have been in numerous roles.
Hikaru: @Funn Lim and Veejay
His english name is “King Kong” Chinese name pronounced in Cantonese is “Kam Kong”
So both of you are correct
exoidus: I hope CTI can make a ICAC series about this issue, LOL.
People are never 100% objetive there will always be some form of bias. I can’t influence other people’s thoughts. You are probably more biased on this issue than me! Furthermore there is little point speculating with regards to “what if”
Im fully aware that the “decision” by the jury might not be the absolute truth and that’s why I used quotation marks (truth).
You are using an example where there is a definite answer (fact). On this topic there isn’t and therefore the “truth” is what the majority thinks or believe it to be. Example: it’s not always the most beautiful girl that wins pageant, it’s the girl that the judges THINKS is the most beautiful.
Well you are pretty stubborn and I have to admit that you are an expert at diversions
Fox: Welcome to the sharing . I’d like to read the opposite opinions. Fox: I’ll cross fingers to see the ICAC thingy you are mentioning .
What I want to mention is: You are trying to make your bias become objective by others. Lol, without any doubt, even if Chok isn’t the winner but another song or Chok is sung by another singer, the same comments will come from you. So let’s be straightforward to say that Chok isn’t a problem. Why not, right?
Without any doubt, the majority effect is happening. However, I agree that we are disagreeing. Normal, life is that, right?
The decision of jury/the judges (depends on which system of law) isn’t truth and it is even stated in law. It is the decision and have the effective to the parties but it isn’t truth. It is a decision. You won’t find any judge who will say that his decision is truth. Wording in the minute of the case is always very carefully, so they won’t risk themselves by calling their decision a truth.
Also, truth isn’t presented by the majority. There are some obvious fact that most of ppl can agree, but to something that can’t be defined exactly, the “truth” in fact might be found in the minority’s opinions. Example: Galileo with the famous quote about the Earth.
Oh, this thing can become endless, lol. I’d like to have convo with you because we mostly disagree. It’s entertaining.
exoidus: Well I didn’t say that all Oscar winners are the definitely the best, however all the nominees are great movies in their own right. I was just using an example.
The truth is that if the song was anywhere near being alright it wouldn’t have caused such an uproar by the HK population with so many anti-clips on youtube, LOL.
Obviously as bad as the song is there will always be a minority of the population that likes i.e. fans like you.
Conclusion: we can agree that we disagree!
The “truth” as represented by the majority (jury): still a song, but ROFL for winning any awards and need to notify ICAC…
Kay: Has always enjoyed Damien as a person and actor. Such a professional actor.
someone: When artists get per series contract, I think they should be able to film for others.
TVB no-other-stations contract is not common in this series business but TVB might drop this contrainst soon.
Steven appeared in many series, no award, no grand product but his time on series was good. If TVB had been open-minded, Steven would have stay.
Fox: Lol letting crap winning Oscar is a matter of opinions. If you say you think all Oscar winners are perfectly well, I will say that you are being affected by the majority’s effect. Like tat among 1000 ppl 999 say A is correct so you will say A although you know B is the exact answer. Btw when it cones to matter of opinions to the subjects that don’t have exact answer, the majority’s effect will come more. Opposite to this is anti- majority effect.
So guilty or not is not easy to define in a certain case. Life is not black and white.
Talk about Andy, he has a down in the beginning of his singing career when everyone criticized him. If he felt upset and stopped to improve himself, maybe we won’t see today Andy. So the future will have the best answer.
Joan: Asked to comment regarding the plagiarism claims, Producer Poon Ka Tak, only said, “I have no response!
MEANS..OPPPPS I GOT CAUGHT!
Amy: I like Damien’s performance in rippling blossoms cuz of his personality in the drama. not so serious. DC: Not used to seeing him bald, but still cute 
ai lan: on call 36 very tvb drama Addy: It’s not really Republic of China though XD it’s British Hong Kong! There’s a difference. But anyways, I’m sure the drama will be much better with Damian’s input. Respect. ai lan: i love Flora back tvb
smurf120: I did not like neurotic Belle either. Summer: Very romantic. Very Sweet. NX: Woa, actually I like this performance, they did it well, perform well and sing well. The light effects are supportive and their movement are just at the limit. The idea of getting the naked girls on stage was well-exploited, I dont see it dirty but fresh . And the kiss, I dont know is it just me or I dont really have any strong feeling with that scene, I like the last part of the performance better, from the point after the kissing scene.
The only thing that bother me is that he should wear a tight top underneath the red vest, I find it more sexy that way.
thewong: If TVB can’t pay artists more money to stay, maybe they can tempt them with more creative control over their projects. claimine: So far at episode 4, I prefer HH1 over THC. Funn Lim: claimine, well said!! claimine: @Funn Lim: If gun fights, you believe? Terrorist plot? You believe?
Lol! There is indeed a gun fight opening scene in HH1, with Steven Ma as the doctor sent in to treat one of the shot bank robbers and Nick Cheung is the officer in charge, and whathersname is the intern as one of the bank hostages. A pretty intense scene, that, and yes, quite believable to me. The first HH1 was excellent but did not enjoy its sequels as much. Incidentally, HH1 is my first Steven’s series.
exoidus: Yeah, it was one of many reasons and im happy for him since now he has become a hot commodity! exoidus: No wonder, TVB scripwriters seems not to do their due dilligence seriously. exoidus: What I meant is that the general quality of HK music is bad, however there are some “outliers” there are outstanding singers e.g. Jacky, Faye, Andy etc
It’s like letting crappy movie winning the Oscar, however I see that you need to defend your client as his defense attorney even being fully aware of that he is “guilty”
elin: as long as u r healthy… big thin no matter… claimine: Correction: Steven did not jump ship just because TVB did not let him shoot other series, but that TVB allows many of his fellow colleagues to do so while disallowing him. It is this last blatant, overt unfairness straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back. NX: @Looooo: If giving clips, why don’t give the clear version: NX: Oscar is pretty cute and young for his age. Maybe he’ll get his chance after so many artists have left TVB. NX: No one tell you to throw away the meat left. You can use it to make other things, or just simply fried it with flavors. Don’t waste food, it’s a crime.
AC: I really like Oscar. I’m glad he’s getting more popular! Fox: If this series dun do well, I hope the blame won’t run to Damien all Fox: Lol if so KC should jump ship immediately’ Fox: Hi 5. I also dislile Belle and dont hope for her again AC: I watched the interview from this event and she was saying she will be filming for TVB later this year but does not not which series yet. When asked if she has been contacted by CTI, she said yes and she would be lying if she said she didn’t. Flora seemed calm but also tense while being asked questions….
I can imagine them giving a raise just so she doesn’t leave when her contract is over, especially since they probably don’t want to lose any more people.
Fox: Looooool. You think it is bad and it isn’t better due to Chok. Then what is the point? There is nothing called the HK music image, are you saying so? If that, I can agree it’s your own taste and you are using your own taste in big words .
Bt
AC: That’s pretty awesome. Although it is a lot of hard work, it seems like he really enjoys it and the whole filming experience. I love when he puts pictures from filming on his weibo. I hope he gets a raise and is paid nicely for his efforts!
Susan: Among the veterans I have always liked Damien the most. Not only is his acting convincing, whether it is as a villain, cop, a professional or a thief, but he also seems to really enjoy being in the industry and therefore puts a lot of effort in what he is doing. With him revising the story and dialogues I think the quality of the drama will be quite good. Funn Lim: Well, I hope he does well because there are usual snickering that some who thinks they can write usually can’t. I hope he proves them wrong. Maybe he can revise the script so that his character doesn’t die and thus the story doesn’t go downhill. Maybe add shock value by adding a threesome scene. I mean these days TVB seems ready to brave the shocking stuff anyway.
iampheng: It could be that Cho Lam is her guiding light? That there sounds like a good man. Hannah: If Flora accepts, I hope it’s not a triangle love like part 1. That was way too draggy.
Lisa: Whether Leslie gives a sensual feeling or not is not relevant when the act and intention is the same.
Example: two guys throw similar punches, one hurts you (perhaps extra sensitive), the other one is painless.
You’re right, Fox. I just felt like sharing my point of view, I have no intention of changing anyone else’s. All in the name of a good discussion, right folks?
looooo: He is very passionate and emotional when he perform this song
IFPI 2011 presents
http://www.youtube.com/user/pattyy68#p/u/4/s6O5JyREB7A
Yee: I think Tavia has a back problem cause she like falls Dow. Holding her back in pain…and she’s all like “how can I be a doctor if I can’t heal myself” I got it from a promotional thing from TVBI. lol: I think Flora will choose the station that will pay her highest then because of the bancruptcy. based: Ricky Wong said he was willing to buy out the contract for any TVB artist (plus he would pay any additional fees for terminating said contract) that was willing to jump ship, so there’s your answer Jayne. exoidus: I don’t think she can film with another Station with her TVB contract. Well it depends, however TVB don’t like their artists to film for others that’s the reason Steven jumped the ship.
She will most likely leave ASAP as CTI can offer a much better salary.
elin: sweet… if only someone wll mke tht for me Addy: Maybe she’s talking about after her contract with TVB ends…? I really hope Flora will join the Triumph2 cast!
But anyways, TVB contracts are way too constraint. I hope they get more lenient in the future. That way, they can attract more stars to compete with the other station.
Jasmine: I really like Flora but I didn’t like Belle at all!! LOL I guess it may be a direct continuation (er I hope not) exoidus: Think its named Healing Hearts also starring Michelle Reis… exoidus: TBH im not that familiar with HK music as I find it bad and my impression certainly haven’t got any better after “chok” and “eating soft icecream”
Hehe, no I will try find something worth watching, listen to quality music or read books with a glass of redwine
Jayne: According to this morning’s news abstract, Flora did not officially agree to film “Triumph in the Skies 2″ yet. She was at a Neutrogena event and she stated that she is still in discussion. Please check my latest news on the topic which I just posted. lol: Flora clarified that she’ll be filming for TVB in second half of the year, but for what series is unknown. lol: Leslie can give the sensual lover feeling, Eason can’t. Larry 3: +1
“His Chok song and MV has brought shame to HK music industry. He is nicknamed HK Justin Bieber, LOL”
lol: Eason and Hocc tried too hard but in this performance it just comes as disturbing and cheap and lacking of chemistry Larry 3: Flora still owes TVB one more series on her contract. 620 wants her on “T.I.T.S. II”. Can someone verify this?
Fox: Healing souls, is it a remake from a movie with the same name? The one with Tony Leung Chiu Wai. If it is then I rmb I quit it after 3 eps due to the boring dialogue. If this 36 is copying the plot of Healing souls then I have another reason to not feel regret for quitting it, other than the appearance of TY.
Btw, Healing souls the movie is excellent. Guess tat the reason is its length and acting of Tony.
For Healing hands, first part is the best. I like the chac Ching Chi Mei and Lawrence did it convincedly. But I dun like Lee Kwok Chou. From the second parts, Ching Chi Mei gets to the extreme nerdy and I started to be bored.
Fox: Eason is quite good at comedy but he lacks the lover feel when it comes to a love scenes. Leo, I think he was a bad singer during the time he was in China but his improvement impressed me very much. He changed to a really good singer. For the stage performer, lol, I blv none of 3 can pass Show Luo in this field. Show is a so so singer but the way he handles the stage is just awesome. Fox: I feel HOCC and Eason seem lack the chemistry and body language Fox: @ lisa: if you don’ t mind of the small proportion here so it is pointless to call ppl who dun like the performance here to stop hating it. Maybe it will cause to opposite effect. Fox: Lmao~. Exoidus, wat is the picture of HK music you are referring to? Music is limitless and I’m afraid that you are trying to limit it. Poor things.
Before slleping I don’t listen to music. I often watch films/series (watching Liar game 2 now, highly recommend) or read books. How about you? Listen to Actually I’m unhappy in order to see life unhappily?
Kidd: NX, you might be right about it.
Btw, what do you think of this performance?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO9ZdHGMHiE
It’s a controversial performance as well, but, I find it hot and the movement sensual.
snoopy: Watched four esp so far and loving it! Better than the other ’4 in Love’- no clue whatsoever lol… Tavia’s acting hasn’t improved much since she won the ‘most improved’ or something? Anyway I think she’s okay thou still. Better than Jess.
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