• Oh come on, what do the netizens want as a proof? Picture of her to have a fever or picture of her massage? Do they find it is too sensitive and private? If she took a picture when having fever, they would have say that she was fake. Anyway, the mastitis is really really hurt. I suffered 1 week with that and omg, I can't sleep nor do anything. Hurt and heavy. So I can understand her feeling.
  • @potatochip well as I said, it is up to the baby. Some babies sleep more (like mine). I pumped 3 times per day while my baby slept and still have enough time to sleep in first and second month. I have less time after 3 months (especially when he was in wonder weeks).
  • @alluka I agree, there are many moms that make soap with breast milk. That's not new or anything to have a backlash about. But I marvel at how a mom of a 1+ month old is able to do all that. Usually, the babies are older, breast milk supply more established, to be able to use it in other things like that. Babies at that age need to feed every 2-3 hrs, each feed lasts 15-30 min, burping another 5 min, if with reflux, add 25 min upright. If pumping, you need to express breast milk/feed at the breast at least 6-8 times to maintain a supply. Pumping took me 20-40 min, with actual pumping time and clean up. She likely has help, so doesn't need to bottle feed, burp, or clean up, but breastfeeding and espressing milk still takes a lot of time. Therefore the math works out to having an hour or maybe 2 between feeds, and with 8-12 feeds a day, you might have 10 interrupted hours to eat, shower and sleep to yourself as a new mom. I am exhausted just thinking back to that time. I did it 4 times, the first being the worst because of the newness and recovery from birth. I work in pediatrics, it is rare for me to see a first time mom with that much energy at this age. Again, I am amazed that she can do this but it is not typical. I almost wonder if the baby is older than 2 months because that makes more sense with building up milk supply timeline. Breast milk can last 3-6 months in the freezer, so probably not using outdated ones yet.
  • @alluka The media portrayed the other Karena as poor so is trying to climb to the ladder. This Karina is more wealthy I think and is portrayed in a better light by the media.
  • @potatochip In my place, there are so many normal moms make soap from breast milk and they teach others how to do that. I don't understand the backlash for it because moms can have a lot of breast milk or the outdate frozen breast milk. I did have to throw away about 10 liters of outdate frozen breast milk. Who know if she has a lot of spare breast milk. I did make the soap, too and it takes just 1 hour to get done. Not that hard. I agree on the colour. Shouldn't put the colour in, even the natural colour. Btw, when my baby was 1-2 months old, it was my best time ever. All he did was sleeping and I'm so free. The older he is, the less time for sleeping I had. So I think it is up to each baby. Some have free time when baby is very small, some doesn't.
  • @wm2017 FYI, they dated almost 3 years before getting marrid. Right person, right time, right marriage. Carina isn't called a gold digger because she is rich and she doesn't work in the industry much for years (just occasionally join some events) so getting married with an artist doesn't help her to get anything in her career. She doesn't aim to become a famous artist.
  • @cutie777 not really of waste. There are moms with a lot of breast milk and frozen breast milk should be kept for just 3 months. For the remained breast milk, what you think they should do? If she has enough breast milk for her baby, then what she does with her spare breast milk, it doesn't matter. Sometimes people give away the spare breast milk to others however in pandemic time, people don't do that. Nobody will open a breast milk soap company! The breast milk is limited for a period of time and the soap only can last for about 2 weeks. It must be crazy to open a company, lmao. The input expenses will kill the company from day 1. They just normally make breast milk soap to use for their baby and themselves. The baby also need to use soap and her mom's breast milk soap is of course the best for her. Carina isn't called a gold digger because she comes from a rich family, too.
  • @alluka Well, I have to say Wang Yi Bo definitely come down hard on crazy fans that cross the lines.... But Sean really seem more powerless.
  • @alluka I see....Do you think he should have apology on behalf of those fans of him? His management company likely told him to keep quiet.
  • @alluka please do not sow misinformation. 1. The novel was given an M rating, which is Not R18. Only E (explicit) rating gives 'adult only' warning if you're not logged in. 2. The novel was clearly tagged 王一博/肖战, thus I think his identity is pretty clear. In fact, this was tagged twice. Along with underage and a 'no warning apply' tag. A total of 4 tags and M rating. Whether this was enough, idk. People usually tag more especially when their fics are of sensitive topics. 3. The fic was advertized on weibo by the author him/herself along with fanarts of the fic. That is how the xfs found out about it in the first place. To say that the author didn't advertize on wb is incorrect. Personally, I found the fanarts very well drawn and tbh I have no opinion on whether the initial supposed reporting by xfs was right or wrong. Below are my general comments on this matter and not directed at anyone other than ppl wanting the truth. Having way too much time at home due to lockdown in my country, I took an interest on this topic. 1. There is no direct cause/effect evidence that the 'reports' by xfs actually caused Ao3 to be walled or any platforms' demise. There's correlation and timing of course, but equally probable is that these platforms were 'cleaned' as part of the March 'government internet cleaning event.' That xfs did report the ff in some form is legit. That the govt cleaning event was scheduled at that time is also legit. 2. I don't use weibo or twitter except to confirm the finger pointing/news from both sides. Mainly news on weibo cos my Chinese is poor lol. 227 spammed Twitter with 'RIP she was a good girl' etc msgs along with the fanart of the fic = fact on the #weloveyouxiaozhan tag. Some even tried to excuse it as a mistake with #weloveyoukobe. Which is lame cos a quick search of other similar tags eg #weloveyoujob - an actual deceased person did not turn up these Twitter msgs. Was there harassment of 227 by xzf? Maybe? But some say that these were fake xzf. I'd put this in the I can't confirm or deny basket as per point 1. I did come across a handful of English comments wishing bad things on 227 in response to news of their harassment of xz, which is Not ok! 3. That xz faction caused the shutdown of 227 topic on wb. This is, as per point 1 above conjecture. So no proof! I have seen proof that some seemingly pro-xz articles and wb comments disappeared from wb. One such person said he removed it due to harassment. Whether by 227's hands, also no proof. On the topic of this article, I can only express sadness. I hope that everyone on JoL come back simply cos I like continuity. Whether xz's acting was appropriate or not for the role is subjective. I was looking forward to xz's appearance on ace vs ace cos I love the show and wanted to see how he interact with the reg cast. Especially after that teaser at the beginning of the year. To the 227 who claimed moral superiority. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Even if ao3 was ultimately walled due to a portion of xz's fans, we, the majority, did not deserve your retaliation. My 'Ace vs ace xz appearance' was 'walled' by your actions! < see what I did there?
  • @alluka actually shortly after the incident broke, there were fake accts flooding Twitter with really negative posts about Xiao Zhan and even his parents, saying he's dead or they're dead, horrible crap like that. They were obviously fake accts since they had no followers and the anti-XZ tweet would be the only thing they ever tweeted (and some of them obviously were not native English speakers).They were trying to make the hashtag RIPXiaoZhan trend on Twitter. I reported some of them myself cuz they really crossed the line wishing death on him. Yes some of his fans are unreasonable, especially when they attack others, but those horrible anti-XZ ppl do exist as well and their actions should be condemed as well.
  • @msxie0714 Sorry to say but I have never see any posting death notices to XZ and his parents as the fans always say. And whenever I ask for an evidence, they say just find on internet. In 227 hashtags, all I can see was the wish of him to be flop and lose the advertisements. They want to boycott him to give his fans a lesson to behave better. It is what they are doing. What did they do? They only marked 1 star to his dramas (main cast only, the supporting roles such as Joy of life was a mistake because XZ put it as his main series so they thought he was in main cast. After knowing differently, they stop rated it 1 star); ask for invoices from the brands that XZ is doing endorsement to make the brands feel uneasy with XZ (asking for invoice is their legal right, as they have purchased in reality); reporting wrong activities of the brands that XZ is endorsing (such as Buds beer who had XZ in an advertisement with gambling). I find they are quite police. They didn't even bash him or call him by bad names. On the other hand, I saw his fans cursed a 227 user who committed suicide as "go die", "why don't you die", "die now". Cruel? I can't be at that level. I have some artists I hate or dislike but I never wish them bad things like that.
  • @yoyo Hi, I don't say he owes me anything. AO3 is only prohibited to access in China, in other places of the world, it is safe and works normally. So why you say of that? AO3 is only a platform and it has disclaimers. Everyone who read the fanfic will have to see the disclaimer first. Talking back about the fanfiction that caused to the report. It has been posted only on AO3, not on weibo or any other platform. It has the disclaimer and tag for 18+ and trap. Basically, the author has done all the disclaimer and prevent about the content. It is very normal on fanfic world for long ago. It isn't that Xiao Zhan is the only one that have been put into a fanfic with different character to himself. Basically, it is nothing different to a role play. Moreover, the author even doesn't use his real name but a similar nick name to his character. The fans went to AO3, read the disclaimer and reported. It is hard to say that it is the fault of the author because she didn't invite anyone amongst the fans to read or to promote it on weibo or else where. Someone in 227 once said, the fans of Xiao Zhan were behaved like this: "They broke the door of a house, seeing a nude girl in that house behind the door and report her." For the Thai case, if the fans don't report her, would she have been fired? And may you let me know what can be her fault? He knew it because he deleted the pictures on his weibo and support his fans on that. I'm not sure if there was only China fans or Thai fans join that incident, it is only to say that his fans need to have a lesson to behave better in the future. It is also a lesson to other fandoms who may do the same. It is my opinion.
  • @alluka the 227cyberbullies are counterparts to the crazy segment of xzfs...maybe worse by posting death notices to XZ and his parents, besides fabricating and distorting facts. Why call XZfs cruel when you're no different? You all need to focus on something productive and constructive while the world is undergoing a crisis.
  • @alluka wow, so low of him. Poor girl, he’s definitely not winning anyone’s heart here!
  • @alluka, you really sound like you think Xiao Zhan owes you so much. His fans did those things, so what? Is this so new? Which idol's fans would not go crazy when others provoke them? If A03 is clean enough, when fans report, only the fanfic will get deleted but the entire site went down, so that means A03 itself has problems. Before the incident even happened, A03 was already having issues prior to that. Nobody knows for sure if the fans are real, or fake fans paid by competitors. You are just too sure they got to be his fans without any valid proof. If they really are his fans, it is still just the fans fault. It doesn't matter if he say anything or not. If he says something, what is it gonna be? Just repetitive things you said? And after saying something, what he said will only get judged. About the waitress there is only one side of the story. He never talked about what happened so nobody knows the truth. He is so rich it will not be surprising if he gave her money in secret, maybe they learned their lessons and both learned to shut up and not make public moves again. If the hotel fires her that means she did bended the rules, it's kind of his fault she got find out, but it's also possible he isn't aware of the rules she's supposed to follow. Maybe he doesn't speak Thai and had no idea what happened. The story could be anything. I thought only Chinese fans on Weibo are crazy. Are the Thai fans also crazy participants on Weibo? They sound just as crazy, are they fluent in Chinese and can type in Chinese? How believable is it, that ALL Xiao Zhan's fans worldwide are disgusting? C-fans and T-fans are that horrible, maybe Korea and the U.S. are all next. Sounds really trusting?
  • @alluka re: the pillow incident: I mean, try to see it from his POV, what is he supposed to do? His fans helped make him. Maybe he also got pressure from his management team to cater to them at the time. Even though he shot to huge popularity last year, he's a relatively new idol, with very little power, surrounded by a shitty management team and nutcase fans, he's pretty much stuck between a rock and a hard place. I do agree though that at this point, he should definitely step out and say something on his own behalf. Not to apologize but just to clear the air, at least let people know where he stands. Or that he's still alive. I have never seen an idol just disappear like this. Is he being held hostage or something? It's so weird. If the scandal is indeed affecting his livelihood, his income in such a negative way, and there's no exaggeration of the impact, then it really is in his best interest to say something now. I mean, what could it hurt anymore if things are still this bad?
  • @msxie0714 I have read the novel before its adaption was released so I'm pretty sure to you that he acted not well for the character. Even the character Wu Wei Xian, he acts cute and eye-catching in that series but overall, he didn't act out the Wu Wei Xian in the novel. However, at least it is acceptable than in Joy of life where he provided a wooden acting. For 227, I've read many things from the beginning, before a lot of topics were deleted of which I believe there is a hand under it. Now most of topics kept are unfair to 227, to be honest. His fans did the report for sure, can't put the blame on the antis or 227. I have seen how his fans behave on the forums, very crazy. Look at how they cursed the 227 and their idols, it is just cruel. Very cruel. For example, there are fans (big fan even) called Wang Yi Bo a dog that should be died in a motor crash. Or Yang Zi a sl*t to dare to kiss Xiao Zhan. Out of all, I still think he should stand out. Nobody ever wish he can control all of his fans, but at least say something to make the victims better. Until now, his fans don't feel wrong at all because they think their idol is supporting them. P/S: I have read a story about Xiao Zhan in Thailand. A hotel waitress who is a CP fan gave him (on behalf of the hotel) a pilow with his cat's image. He liked it and posted it on weibo. Then the waitress showed it to other fans and make his only fans angry because she is a CP fan. They reported her to her hotel, saying that she gave the gift to Xiao Zhan without permission from the hotel. As a result, the girl is fired. Xiao Zhan kept silence on that, deleted the picture of the pilow on his weibo and said to his fans "Sleep well, I'm here" as a supporting message. But he did nothing for the poor girl whose only fault was a CP fan. It is to say that Xiao Zhan is kinda blind in supporting all his fans do because he is afraid to lose them. That is why his fans are crazy.
  • @alluka he portrayed the part well as a character who had been held captive and tortured for some time. those bashing him must've expected a lively but unfitting WuWeixian type personality or were the usual haters dissing for the sake of it.
  • @alluka there are screenshots of conversations among the 227s on weibo and other platforms about tactics on sabotaging XZ's career. If you can read Chinese, go to bilibili.com and search 227
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