• @alluka The only thing that makes me think it's not the case of what you say is from what I understand he lost lucrative sponsorship deals because of this, so for the sake of profits, you'd think he or his studio wouldn't have wanted this debacle. I agree the prolonged silence is weird. It's like he's just disappeared, but I don't agree ever that he should apologize for his fans' actions unless he actually encouraged it. And I would need more proof than just finger-pointing by the perpetrators to believe that. You never know if his big fans are already starting to turn against him by throwing the responsibility on him and his studio due to the hate they're getting. They're the ones who reported AO3 to the government, fucking cowards should own it and stop trying to redirect the blame unless they can prove they were instructed by Xiao Zhan and his studio. I'm saying this because I have seen how sick his fans, and fans of other idols, can be, so I tend to believe they're the troublemakers rather than someone else.
  • @alluka Certainly his silence isn’t helping dispel that rumour
  • @m0m0 long-term taxi service. Full service and if payment is made in advance, can have extra service.
  • @littlefish new news states that his big fan said the action to report AO3 was leaded by his studio. And he himself once stated that he knew every statement of his studio. So we can conclude that: Xiao Zhan and his studio stood behind everything. It explains well why he is so silent as so.
  • @alluka as you said earlier, his fans are childish enough to report to a03. If he wants to make any further public statement, he should consult his legal team beforehand as this incident is clearly being blown out of proportion intentionally.
  • @alluka I totally agree with you. I always find that celebrity should be able to make a strong stand to show his fans where his believes are, in a sense guiding his fans, and deter them from being bat sh1t crazy fans. He can absolutely straight out tell his die hard fans to calm down and it’s only a fanfic, yet he didn’t. He let it escalate, so he’s in the wrong. And as you have said it so clearly, fanfics is a world of their own, they don’t set out to hurt anyone nor to be for profit. They might be able to make money after however that’s barely anything from those sponsored website, or like a few rare cases like shadow hunters. It’s fiction, not real life, not putting the actor in shame, if anything, you should feel honoured that guys and girls love whichever version you like to be!
  • @minhee Moreover, the fanfiction only exists in its own place. If the author and fans of the fanfiction posted in where Xiao Zhan can reach to such as his super topic on weibo or they tagged his name to the fanfiction, it would be a different story. However, no, they didn't. The author and her fans know well what is the restriction and they stayed in their house. It was Xiao Zhan's fans who were crazy enough to read and report it at its house. So all the troubles were started by his fans (can't say it is antifan trying to act as fan to harm him because it started with a fans with yellow mark and more than 1 mil followers in his super topic - the Chinese call people like that Big Fan). Moreover, in China, the Big Fans always have the relationship with the studio and the artist. Therefore, Xiao Zhan and his studio surely know about the action of the Big Fan and in fact, secretly agree with that action. The antifans showed evident that the hotsearch about this fanwar has been deleted and it means the studio has a hand in it (because only studio with connections and money can purchase the termination of a hotsearch). However, the apology of his studio wasn't clear enough and Xiao Zhan keeps silent since then. It was why he is hated even more by the non-fans and the netizens. I think he should stand out to solve the case. Keeping silent as so is selfish, even to his fans or to AO3 fans. Nobody say that he can control all of his fans, but at least, he should try to stop them to behave crazily. Now, when the damage is there, he should at least sincerely apologize in person (not via his studio).
  • 慶餘年 shouldn't be rated down. The appearance of Xiao Zhan in 慶餘年 was very limited, only up to 1 episode. Moreover, he was the worst actor in that one. So rated down will affect other artists more especially Zhang Ruyun.
  • @alluka I agree. I do not see how fanfiction is ever going too far. Fanfiction has existed for the longest time. It brings out people's fantasies. And that's what they are -- fans' fantasies of celebrities or existing works. I think it's a major disrespect for writers to say that they are just using a celebrity's fame to bring attention to their work. It is in fact the opposite. It is because they are fans to begin with, it brings out a passion in them to pen fantasies out from their own minds about that particular person/subject in wish they'd wish to share with people that have the same curiosity or interests as them. If people are not into it, simply skip and move on. If anyone were to get offended by fanworks, then it should be the person being written about themselves. Real life celebrities, fictional characters, heck, even internet personalities/Youtubers have had very explicit fanfictions written about them. And they all take it lightheartedly as they understand what it really is -- a fantasy that'll never happen. And fanfictions can get really, really weird, but it will never affect reality. If Xiao Zhan himself wasn't offended by the work, then it's his fans overrreactions. Likewise, if people like him to begin with, they're not going to change their opinions because of some fanworks that gender-bended him. If anyone dislikes him, they will not be looking at stuff made by his fans to begin with. Fanfiction and fan MVs are not powerful enough to tarnish an artist's ' image.
  • @yoyo The author is his fan so she wrote the fanfiction for her favourite artists. It is very different to using Xiao Zhan's popularity. And she wrote it for non-business purpose. Fanfiction always exist hand in hand with real artists/real movies/real shows. It is a common sense that everyone know. Nobody want to touch that field because it is a way to promote the artists and keep the fame of the artists continues after the movies/drama/shows ends. So this time, Xiao Zhan's fans are stupid enough to touch the barrier and it was why all other fandoms get mad of them. Btw, it isn't right that "Whatever he endorses, others won’t be able to endorse anymore". To say, he actually can't sell as many as the other young famous artists such as Kris Wu or TFBoys or even Wang Yi Bo who was in same series with him. In fact, he doesn't have big brands on his hand, too. The best he can have as an ambassador was Tide and some small brands. He only does endorsement for a line of products (not all the products) for Estee Lauder or Olay. If you check for the amount, his fans are not able to afford big brands at all. Perhaps most of them are kids hence they are childish enough to report AO3.
  • @littlefish :0 Haha.Amazing! What am I reading today! @Alluka You are incredible! I have not seen anyone on this forum pluck up theories from thin air as much as you. You somehow managed to decipher a hidden message in Raymond's earlier Weibo post 2019 'my Carina 2019' as a official announcement of marriage. No one else broke that code including all fans and news media. You must be some kind of genius because you are the only one was able to do this. So now it's not new years eve raymond announced he was married? He announced it much earlier. Wow!. This is amazing theory too from you “ Trust me, many women don’t want to get married until they are pregnant“ . No chance maybe women might want to feel the security of a genuine proposal of marriage as a sign of devotion and love before having a baby then? They would rather prefer to wait for the kids to spring out so they can get the adrenaline rush of quick wedding I guess since you asked us to trust you then we should just go ahead an trust you because you are a genius where no proof is needed. Trusting you is enough.... This 'Andy kept quiet about his marriage for years and years is all because of Carol' is also a good one. It's all Carol's fault then right?. Not a chance it might be Andy who has an image to protect so he has lies to keep fans from turning on him? But I guess we have to trust you with this one too.....
  • @jimmyszeto lol! @alluka “ Trust me, many women don’t want to get married until they are pregnant“ - that’s the first for me lol. I never knew anyone who is like that, most people I know are either stay together for a while, then have kids, or break up without kids, or break up after kids. Pretty normal people lol. All the girls want to have it official first before the next step (before really trying), only me is not official on the paper but I’ve been with my partner for 10yrs+.
  • @alluka Biased based on what?i have nothing for or against Raymond but you are certainly a fangirl. Someone obsessed with trying to decipher hidden meanings from every Weibo message from a celebrity has to be classed as a obsessed fan. I’m just forming my opinions from facts and the fact is reported in every article the date he announced the marriage. It was on a day where the limelight should be on the families of the likes of me and you as we prepare to celebrate with them which is what New Year’s Eve is meant for. Obviously you don’t care about that as long as Raymond hits the headlines...
  • @alluka I have no interest in viewing Raymond’s history of messages of on Weibo. We all know when he announced his marriage and it certainly wasn’t 29th of November like you say....
  • @littlefish I do believe that Andy Lau hides his wife and daughters for years under Carol's wish. She doesn't want to be on news. For the case of LF, do you see any fan having a surprise when he gets married? If you check on his weibo, it seems no. Well, actually a lot of his fans got married before him and his fans seem old enough to have any negative feeling for his wedding. In the end, he is 40 already. That is why his fans don't care if he gets married. It is about time. Perhaps I'm old and married with kid, so I view the marriage including shotgun marriage as something normal. To me, even no marriage with kid is also normal. As long as the kid is loved by his parents, the marriage certificate is just a paper. Sometimes, not having it is not that bad. At least when the parents can't get long together, they do not need to divorce or having dispute regarding common asset.
  • @jimmyszeto If someone decide not to share the marriage to public and just announcing, the date they announce is nothing different to the date they get married. Can you please just read? He didn't make it the first time on 31 Dec but 29 Nov. In 29 Nov, his message on weibo was "2019 with Carina Zhang." Certainly, you won't never know that when they got married. In the summer time, it was just a paper stating the intention to get married and according to Hongkong's laws, they have up to 6 months to get married after that paper. So they can get married on 31 Dec, who know? I stating Fred Cheng because you don't seem to have a problem with Fred's announcement at the New Year Eve, 12:00. But you have a problem with an announcement in the afternoon of 31 Dec and call it fame seeker. If it was for the purpose of getting as much fame as possible, he should do it at the Eve or on the first day, when there is no wedding (notice to you that the wedding was just informed to public 1 day before 31 Dec and happened in 31 Dec) and another marriage announcement. Or better, to hold a banquet, inviting press and also, posting wedding pictures. However it was not. It was just a simple message on his private weibo, putting a picture and having a message summarizing his big event in 2019.
  • @littlefish I think differently. At their 40s, men have the tendency to have kids when dating so basically, they agree with their partners to use no pregnant preventing method.If their partners agree, it is their choice to have babies with the men, too. So can't say that it is an insult to the women when it is also their wish. Of course, a baby is the most wonderful thing in the world so when they become parents, they will engage to ensure the baby has a beloved family. You won't never know that the decision of no marriage coming from the woman or the man. Trust me, many women don't want to get married until they are pregnant.
  • @alluka Lol. Thanks for pointing it out I just realized it that too when I relook it again maybe I scrolled it down too fast when I was reading this article.
  • @alluka also context here, I said “Not a surprise these days if guys over 40 who never seem want to marry then get married so quickly out of the sudden to a new gf, it’s always because a baby is coming”. You have Aaron Kwok who date this Monika for like 2yrs the most? Same thing, bam married, bam babies! And Lai Ming, same thing! See if there was like a year gap between marriage and pregnancy, I wouldn’t say a thing but all these fast shots are a bit too fast to say it’s totally coincidental lol
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