• @alluka Well, I have to say Wang Yi Bo definitely come down hard on crazy fans that cross the lines.... But Sean really seem more powerless.
  • @alluka I see....Do you think he should have apology on behalf of those fans of him? His management company likely told him to keep quiet.
  • @alluka please do not sow misinformation. 1. The novel was given an M rating, which is Not R18. Only E (explicit) rating gives 'adult only' warning if you're not logged in. 2. The novel was clearly tagged 王一博/肖战, thus I think his identity is pretty clear. In fact, this was tagged twice. Along with underage and a 'no warning apply' tag. A total of 4 tags and M rating. Whether this was enough, idk. People usually tag more especially when their fics are of sensitive topics. 3. The fic was advertized on weibo by the author him/herself along with fanarts of the fic. That is how the xfs found out about it in the first place. To say that the author didn't advertize on wb is incorrect. Personally, I found the fanarts very well drawn and tbh I have no opinion on whether the initial supposed reporting by xfs was right or wrong. Below are my general comments on this matter and not directed at anyone other than ppl wanting the truth. Having way too much time at home due to lockdown in my country, I took an interest on this topic. 1. There is no direct cause/effect evidence that the 'reports' by xfs actually caused Ao3 to be walled or any platforms' demise. There's correlation and timing of course, but equally probable is that these platforms were 'cleaned' as part of the March 'government internet cleaning event.' That xfs did report the ff in some form is legit. That the govt cleaning event was scheduled at that time is also legit. 2. I don't use weibo or twitter except to confirm the finger pointing/news from both sides. Mainly news on weibo cos my Chinese is poor lol. 227 spammed Twitter with 'RIP she was a good girl' etc msgs along with the fanart of the fic = fact on the #weloveyouxiaozhan tag. Some even tried to excuse it as a mistake with #weloveyoukobe. Which is lame cos a quick search of other similar tags eg #weloveyoujob - an actual deceased person did not turn up these Twitter msgs. Was there harassment of 227 by xzf? Maybe? But some say that these were fake xzf. I'd put this in the I can't confirm or deny basket as per point 1. I did come across a handful of English comments wishing bad things on 227 in response to news of their harassment of xz, which is Not ok! 3. That xz faction caused the shutdown of 227 topic on wb. This is, as per point 1 above conjecture. So no proof! I have seen proof that some seemingly pro-xz articles and wb comments disappeared from wb. One such person said he removed it due to harassment. Whether by 227's hands, also no proof. On the topic of this article, I can only express sadness. I hope that everyone on JoL come back simply cos I like continuity. Whether xz's acting was appropriate or not for the role is subjective. I was looking forward to xz's appearance on ace vs ace cos I love the show and wanted to see how he interact with the reg cast. Especially after that teaser at the beginning of the year. To the 227 who claimed moral superiority. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Even if ao3 was ultimately walled due to a portion of xz's fans, we, the majority, did not deserve your retaliation. My 'Ace vs ace xz appearance' was 'walled' by your actions! < see what I did there?
  • @alluka actually shortly after the incident broke, there were fake accts flooding Twitter with really negative posts about Xiao Zhan and even his parents, saying he's dead or they're dead, horrible crap like that. They were obviously fake accts since they had no followers and the anti-XZ tweet would be the only thing they ever tweeted (and some of them obviously were not native English speakers).They were trying to make the hashtag RIPXiaoZhan trend on Twitter. I reported some of them myself cuz they really crossed the line wishing death on him. Yes some of his fans are unreasonable, especially when they attack others, but those horrible anti-XZ ppl do exist as well and their actions should be condemed as well.
  • @msxie0714 Sorry to say but I have never see any posting death notices to XZ and his parents as the fans always say. And whenever I ask for an evidence, they say just find on internet. In 227 hashtags, all I can see was the wish of him to be flop and lose the advertisements. They want to boycott him to give his fans a lesson to behave better. It is what they are doing. What did they do? They only marked 1 star to his dramas (main cast only, the supporting roles such as Joy of life was a mistake because XZ put it as his main series so they thought he was in main cast. After knowing differently, they stop rated it 1 star); ask for invoices from the brands that XZ is doing endorsement to make the brands feel uneasy with XZ (asking for invoice is their legal right, as they have purchased in reality); reporting wrong activities of the brands that XZ is endorsing (such as Buds beer who had XZ in an advertisement with gambling). I find they are quite police. They didn't even bash him or call him by bad names. On the other hand, I saw his fans cursed a 227 user who committed suicide as "go die", "why don't you die", "die now". Cruel? I can't be at that level. I have some artists I hate or dislike but I never wish them bad things like that.
  • @yoyo Hi, I don't say he owes me anything. AO3 is only prohibited to access in China, in other places of the world, it is safe and works normally. So why you say of that? AO3 is only a platform and it has disclaimers. Everyone who read the fanfic will have to see the disclaimer first. Talking back about the fanfiction that caused to the report. It has been posted only on AO3, not on weibo or any other platform. It has the disclaimer and tag for 18+ and trap. Basically, the author has done all the disclaimer and prevent about the content. It is very normal on fanfic world for long ago. It isn't that Xiao Zhan is the only one that have been put into a fanfic with different character to himself. Basically, it is nothing different to a role play. Moreover, the author even doesn't use his real name but a similar nick name to his character. The fans went to AO3, read the disclaimer and reported. It is hard to say that it is the fault of the author because she didn't invite anyone amongst the fans to read or to promote it on weibo or else where. Someone in 227 once said, the fans of Xiao Zhan were behaved like this: "They broke the door of a house, seeing a nude girl in that house behind the door and report her." For the Thai case, if the fans don't report her, would she have been fired? And may you let me know what can be her fault? He knew it because he deleted the pictures on his weibo and support his fans on that. I'm not sure if there was only China fans or Thai fans join that incident, it is only to say that his fans need to have a lesson to behave better in the future. It is also a lesson to other fandoms who may do the same. It is my opinion.
  • @alluka the 227cyberbullies are counterparts to the crazy segment of xzfs...maybe worse by posting death notices to XZ and his parents, besides fabricating and distorting facts. Why call XZfs cruel when you're no different? You all need to focus on something productive and constructive while the world is undergoing a crisis.
  • @alluka wow, so low of him. Poor girl, he’s definitely not winning anyone’s heart here!
  • @alluka, you really sound like you think Xiao Zhan owes you so much. His fans did those things, so what? Is this so new? Which idol's fans would not go crazy when others provoke them? If A03 is clean enough, when fans report, only the fanfic will get deleted but the entire site went down, so that means A03 itself has problems. Before the incident even happened, A03 was already having issues prior to that. Nobody knows for sure if the fans are real, or fake fans paid by competitors. You are just too sure they got to be his fans without any valid proof. If they really are his fans, it is still just the fans fault. It doesn't matter if he say anything or not. If he says something, what is it gonna be? Just repetitive things you said? And after saying something, what he said will only get judged. About the waitress there is only one side of the story. He never talked about what happened so nobody knows the truth. He is so rich it will not be surprising if he gave her money in secret, maybe they learned their lessons and both learned to shut up and not make public moves again. If the hotel fires her that means she did bended the rules, it's kind of his fault she got find out, but it's also possible he isn't aware of the rules she's supposed to follow. Maybe he doesn't speak Thai and had no idea what happened. The story could be anything. I thought only Chinese fans on Weibo are crazy. Are the Thai fans also crazy participants on Weibo? They sound just as crazy, are they fluent in Chinese and can type in Chinese? How believable is it, that ALL Xiao Zhan's fans worldwide are disgusting? C-fans and T-fans are that horrible, maybe Korea and the U.S. are all next. Sounds really trusting?
  • @alluka re: the pillow incident: I mean, try to see it from his POV, what is he supposed to do? His fans helped make him. Maybe he also got pressure from his management team to cater to them at the time. Even though he shot to huge popularity last year, he's a relatively new idol, with very little power, surrounded by a shitty management team and nutcase fans, he's pretty much stuck between a rock and a hard place. I do agree though that at this point, he should definitely step out and say something on his own behalf. Not to apologize but just to clear the air, at least let people know where he stands. Or that he's still alive. I have never seen an idol just disappear like this. Is he being held hostage or something? It's so weird. If the scandal is indeed affecting his livelihood, his income in such a negative way, and there's no exaggeration of the impact, then it really is in his best interest to say something now. I mean, what could it hurt anymore if things are still this bad?
  • @msxie0714 I have read the novel before its adaption was released so I'm pretty sure to you that he acted not well for the character. Even the character Wu Wei Xian, he acts cute and eye-catching in that series but overall, he didn't act out the Wu Wei Xian in the novel. However, at least it is acceptable than in Joy of life where he provided a wooden acting. For 227, I've read many things from the beginning, before a lot of topics were deleted of which I believe there is a hand under it. Now most of topics kept are unfair to 227, to be honest. His fans did the report for sure, can't put the blame on the antis or 227. I have seen how his fans behave on the forums, very crazy. Look at how they cursed the 227 and their idols, it is just cruel. Very cruel. For example, there are fans (big fan even) called Wang Yi Bo a dog that should be died in a motor crash. Or Yang Zi a sl*t to dare to kiss Xiao Zhan. Out of all, I still think he should stand out. Nobody ever wish he can control all of his fans, but at least say something to make the victims better. Until now, his fans don't feel wrong at all because they think their idol is supporting them. P/S: I have read a story about Xiao Zhan in Thailand. A hotel waitress who is a CP fan gave him (on behalf of the hotel) a pilow with his cat's image. He liked it and posted it on weibo. Then the waitress showed it to other fans and make his only fans angry because she is a CP fan. They reported her to her hotel, saying that she gave the gift to Xiao Zhan without permission from the hotel. As a result, the girl is fired. Xiao Zhan kept silence on that, deleted the picture of the pilow on his weibo and said to his fans "Sleep well, I'm here" as a supporting message. But he did nothing for the poor girl whose only fault was a CP fan. It is to say that Xiao Zhan is kinda blind in supporting all his fans do because he is afraid to lose them. That is why his fans are crazy.
  • @alluka he portrayed the part well as a character who had been held captive and tortured for some time. those bashing him must've expected a lively but unfitting WuWeixian type personality or were the usual haters dissing for the sake of it.
  • @alluka there are screenshots of conversations among the 227s on weibo and other platforms about tactics on sabotaging XZ's career. If you can read Chinese, go to bilibili.com and search 227
  • @msxie0714 Can you show me those evidence because from what I have seen so far, it was said by his big fan (the one who started the whole thing) that his studio standing behind the report. Actually, I find it is very hard to believe that paid anti can become a big fan with more than 10k fans following as so.
  • @alluka there's evidence that the group of irrational fans were infiltrated by paid antis posing as fans to sabotage XZ's entire fandom that would take away his support.
  • @hohliu His fans (including big fans and many small fans) were angry at a dammei fanfiction posted in a platform called AO3. They said that that fanfiction making him girlish and dammei fanfiction harms his image so they reported the platform AO3. It leads to the prohibition to access in AO3 on 27 Feb. On the same day, Billibi platform which is a platform for fanvid deleted a lot of dammei fan MVs, too which were believed as a result of the above report action. That made the AO3 users angry and they reunite into a group called 227 to act against Xiao Zhan as retaliation. They request Xiao Zhan to say sorry on behalf of his fans in person but he didn't so it makes them angrier. Although the 227 hashtags have been deleted and limited quite a lot, after 1 month, the 227 team seems stay strong. On the other hand, his fans don't seem to understand. They still keep behave quite crazy and ignorant such as attacking the AO3 user that tried to suicide; cyber bulling some AO3 users, etc. It doesn't seem that his fans understand how they harm their own idol. Moreover, Xiao Zhan is famous from a dammei adaption and up to now, it is still his best product. It is ironic that his fans hate dammei enough to report AO3.
  • Honestly, he was the weakest actor in Joy of life so if he is really out for Joy of life 2, it doesn't matter. It isn't a dent to such a good cast in a good series. Watching him together with good acting artists in few episodes of Joy of life was a pain. Lucky that his role was rather small.
  • @alluka The only thing that makes me think it's not the case of what you say is from what I understand he lost lucrative sponsorship deals because of this, so for the sake of profits, you'd think he or his studio wouldn't have wanted this debacle. I agree the prolonged silence is weird. It's like he's just disappeared, but I don't agree ever that he should apologize for his fans' actions unless he actually encouraged it. And I would need more proof than just finger-pointing by the perpetrators to believe that. You never know if his big fans are already starting to turn against him by throwing the responsibility on him and his studio due to the hate they're getting. They're the ones who reported AO3 to the government, fucking cowards should own it and stop trying to redirect the blame unless they can prove they were instructed by Xiao Zhan and his studio. I'm saying this because I have seen how sick his fans, and fans of other idols, can be, so I tend to believe they're the troublemakers rather than someone else.
  • @alluka Certainly his silence isn’t helping dispel that rumour
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