• @ccsoj now that’s a better argument. “Take it as fact” - I trusted alluka, however, if someone comes along, gave a sound argument and said he got it wrong, I can trust that, too. However, I’m not sure I will really take it as fact. I will not looking down on XZ based on this thai girl and her pillow because it seems it’s a not sure kinda story - is the best I can say after reading both side. You guys have about the same merit as one another at this point. And this is why XZ can stop the misinformation, if he is officially release a statement about the thai girl, about his involvement/acknowledging about the fans with AO3 (whether AO3 was headed to a hole, it doesn’t matter), will make a passerby like me and many know where he stands, and in a sense, some truths, because if you can’t trust an actor after they speak candid words, you can’t trust anything. And wall of text is ok as long as it’s not hate text :)
  • @ccsoj It's totally rediculous and beyond comprehension how these 227 cyberbullies depict themselves as innocent victims while engaging in this prolonged campaign of cyberviolence. They remind me of the segment of HK rioters who complained about police brutality while they torched and trashed people and property.
  • @littlefish The reason why I said "i think" was bI don't want to be so arrogant as to say, I read this thing online and I'm sure it's DEFINITELY accurate. Anyone can say anything nowadays. I say "i remember" because those are my version of events from my recollection. I was there when it happened. Unlike ppl who are 100% sure something happened despite not even being there at the time and getting info off a second hand source that was written during the controversy designed to bring more hate to him (fact). I do remember very well that xz was getting harassed both by antis and probably by some of his crazy fans too over the photo. At the time, there was literally no talk of anyone getting fired or xz supporting any fanwars. But as I said, I'm not gonna pretend I knew everything about the incident since I wasn't even directly involved, just a bystander. I saw a post recently that had evidence that the girl wasn't fired, so I don't know why you automatically take it as fact that she was. The only reason I was unsure about the evidence was because I take everything posted by internet users with a grain of salt, whether it's positive or negative. It's a fact that back then, most people I knew thought he was just fed up with being harassed, the only reason I said "i think" is because no one knows what's going on in his mind except him. Personally I believe the evidence that I saw. You can choose what you want to believe though.It's also a fact that 227 have created fake rumours about him. His studio already gave a statement that directly mentioned his fans attacking others and apologised for it. In the past he also told fans to be rational and to live their lives well before following him. That wasn't enough for some people, but instead of criticising him and then moving one, they lead a month long hate campaign, spread rumours he was dead, made homophobic insults and edits of him, said they would've been happy if he died, etc. And anyone who made a single commetn in his favour got mass-attacked. Maybe a month ago I would've thought it would be a good idea to speak up in a more personal way, but now he doesn't owe anything to people who have been creating cyber violence towards him. I'm not sure why you think he should be the one responsible for stopping /other people/ creating misinformation about him but ok. If you think what he's doing if not working, it's better just to speak for yourself. Some people will continue to hate on him, but others have spoken up for him too. Not everyone feels the same way about idol responsibility for fans. It's your freedom not to like him and I'm not asking you to either. but I just needed to clarify my pervious statements since you seemed to find them so unreliable just because I erred on the side of caution and you don't like my username. And tbh, if you dislike him so much, maybe you'd feel better if you stopped following all his articles? Soz for the wall of text lol
  • @dalebaines I've literally never heard of this particular ranking before, I don't think it's that important. The original article this translated one was based on didn't even say it was the "largest" so idk where that came from. Unless they mean largest in terms of number of people (200) on the list.
  • @msxie0714 It's kinda funny how this person keeps calling 227 "they" as if they're not one of them despite knowing a whole lot about about them apparently. No one else would call that group of cyberbullies "polite" or be shameless enough to deny all the insults and abuse, death threats, including homophobic comments and disgusting rumours they started about him. Even the suicide thing was revealed to just be made up by 227, and some ao3 users have said that 227 created rumours that they'd died just because they stopped writing. I don't think anyone should be harassing anyone, but it's really laughable that 227 are portraying themselves as some kind of pure angels fighting for justice when they're no better than the worst portion of xfx as you said, even worse since they've literally been instigating cyber violence for more than a month now and their level is much more extreme. We shouldn't even bother replying to that person as it just gives them a platform to spout out more and more lies which more gullible people belive.
  • @littlefish Maybe you should stop blindly believing everything an obvious anti says without any proof.... From what I read, the girl wasn't actually fired and it was just something people made up during the ao3 controversy to get xz more hate. I remember when the cat pillow incident actually, I don't remember anything about the employee getting fired, I feel like it would've been a much bigger issue at the time if she had been but it wasn't that well known. But I could be wrong, who knows. I just remember xz got hated on because people were accusing him of favouritism towards cp fans (since he usually doesn't accept fan gifts now but he accepted the pillow). Anyway, he deleted the picture and posted one with a black background and after that everyone stopped fighting. At the time, I interpreted it as that he just wanted people to stop harassing him over it (because he /was/ being harassed) and that was what other people thought too. I don't remember him posting any words with it. No one at the time said he was supporting anyone, because tbh it just sounds illogical, it only got twisted that way after the ao3 incident. In fact, it seemed more like he was upset, since he pretty much stopped being active on social media after that. Idk it was so long ago now and so much stuff has been made up since then. There's so much misinformation being spread around that you should take everything with a grain of salt rather than just instantly believing it and then hating on him. Especially if it's coming from someone who's clearly lying about 227 not sending him abuse, hate comments, death threats and making up death rumours about him.
  • @ccsoj Yeah, I've seen him #1 in other polls but I don't know which poll is considered more important etc. I wonder though if his slip in rankings also have to do with the fact that he's pretty much disappeared off the face of the earth for the past couple of months...even before the controversy broke out. Pretty much as soon as the lockdown started, he all but disappeared as well. Wang Yibo on the other hand is still doing his variety show.
  • Xiao Zhan is still no. 1 in so many rankings and polls though lol. Saw he topped Vlinkage yesterday despite not even having any dramas airing. His upcoming dramas also topped the most anticipated list. There are so many lists that he's no. 1 on but they chose to translate the one where he's not lmao.