@jimmyszeto "There is only one group and we are all the same group"... yes in my view I agree if the statement was about us all being alive haha... but especially no to the reoccurring point: "Of course WE won’t consider ourselves as VICTIMS because the whole brainwashing process, WE will be oblivious to the process of it happening. " How did I group myself? Hahahaha. If I labeled myself I'd be fine. I have the right to do that. But remember what somebody wrote? "The only person grouping you is yourself", really? I see this written a lot - You (we) are this ... and you (we) are that. Your opinions about yourself, I respect. I wrote that many times. Labelling yourself as a "victim" or a "coward" or "misled" etc that's okay. You are the only person that has the right to say that yourself. But why use "we"? More the merrier? Lols hahaha. You don't know me and I don't know you (I've made that a point many times). Why does an individuals opinion HAVE to represent mine as well? Who gives someone the right to represent everyone else and label "the obvious" on everyone? "The obvious" being your own specific opinion on a specific topic on a specific person. Great, but don't force it upon me. Somebody can continue being the "coward" "victim" which was imposed on themselves, but I'm not going to be apart of that. I never denied that my upbringing didn't shape me and who I am today. Many of those who are very much in the losing end in the quest to label others and themselves as "victims" of their "circumstances" fail to progress on their point - hence change their point from this: "Of course WE won’t consider ourselves as VICTIMS because the whole brainwashing process, WE will be oblivious to the process of it happening. ". Giving the example of "The Kamikaze who SACRIFICED themselves during the world war never thought of themselves as ‘VICTIMS’.” To this: "'immune to any external influences’ group which can is nonexistent and can also be named ‘the deluded’ group" People aren't blind. It won't fool those who can read. Easy to tell the big difference between the two statements, and some might even question why did somebody change their original point (and pretend they didn't). I am not "immune" to ALL "external influences". My upbringing has shaped me. No one denied that. What was the point for writing that when no one denied it. But that doesn't make me a "victim", and it doesn't mean I'm "brainwashed" and "oblivious in the process". Especially it can't be judged by people who don't know anything about me. "Maybe you should try to show some respect and speak directly to others rather than trying and be something you are not". Ahhh, respect! I taught respect to someone earlier on this thread when they labelled me inhumanly as a "manipulated product". It would seem to be a slap in their face and a bit awkward for them to ask others to "show some respect". I introduced on this thread the Ofsted ‘Fundamental British values’ and in particular “MUTUAL respect” to somebody. Seems like they don't understand what mutual respect is... to them maybe something like disrespecting others and their opinions but then commanding respect of their own from those same people. The key word is mutual respect. I have been respectful to myself and others. I don't label, change someones opinions, and make someone something they are not, even more so especially that I don't know anyone and they don't know me here. I am not a "victim", don't label me as one. I respect your opinion of yourself to be a "victim" and a "coward". Hahaha, lols. Respect has nothing to do with "speak[ing] directly". Looks like it's time for someone to hit up the dictionary. Typical of those who try to bridge the gap directly using words like "special", "deluded", "manipulated product" about me to comfort themselves. And even bringing about Kamikaze and reasoning with them to be "sacrificial" and a "victim". All of this as a means to try to save themselves from being BEYOND destroyed. lols hahaha. Can really see what stage of the losing game somebody is in. Yes, it's all a fun game and it's sad that it seems that I'm the only one enjoying it. Those who are crying, don't cry, run back to daddy and ask him to play some light-hearted comforting TVB to watch :P Or even better yet, read through this thread and see somebody being obliterated in the game. I've given so many chances for some to redeem themselves in this game. Replying again for the laughs but also giving the chance. Giving out 10+ free lives ...something like that. No more :) They now have even tried to change their original point whilst pretending they haven't (as I have explained in this comment) hahahaha. What a sore loser, but expected from those who are self-designated "cowards". I hope this page gets more traffic so that others can also laugh with me at somebody who is oh so 'reasonable'... 'reasonable' enough to make out that the Kamikaze is "sacrificial" and a "victim". hahahahhaha.

@terrycrews19 Gordon was just asked about memories he had with Ha Ping like many of the others who attended. I don't think the reporters were too out of line...

@linda8765 Nice rant typical of someone in denial. How am I labelling you when I'm just stating the obvious? There is only one group and we are all the same group but you seem to think you are something special. The only person grouping you is yourself in the putting yourself in this 'immune to any external influences' group which can is nonexistent and can also be named 'the deluded' group. Unless you had previously put on a backpack on and manually followed every historical event, then you are just like all of us who received their information from the media, influenced by people around you and from environment whilst from growing up. Your opinions will be brainwashed by these factors but you cant accept this reality. You are just making the numbers and not an outstanding exception within this world. Maybe you should try and show some respect and speak directly to others rather than trying and be something that you are not....

@jimmyszeto Omg, who started being off topic? As I have mentioned before I was merely deflecting and responding some comments someone has posted that was off topic first directly targeting at me. You this and you that... but somebody here has managed to erase their own pathetic memory... hahaha ... and can't face up to it...and then reason to why they are "not sure"... it's okay, self admitted cowards as I mentioned like to duck. Ooohh somebody is taking this oh so seriously. Hahahah. Really hit their sore spots. I think I wrote this before, but I clarified some time ago that it was sarcasm and intended for the laughs (fox news). Yes, I am finding it refreshing to hear from people I don't know their light (but then actually serious and way too invested) hearted opinions... some of which are self designated "victims" and "cowards". I can only laugh. "For you to label the west as brainwashing us...". It sounds like someone also agrees that labelling isn't cool. I never labelled. It was only someone else. In fact I've been telling to a particular person not to label... but this person has taken in my teachings and now teaching it to everyone else too. I'm proud this person has learnt under my wing. No one is "shouting"? Maybe only one sided (from the side the person who first mentioned it). This is consuming someone so much they are imagining that threads like this is the same as talking face to face. "Shouting"?. Omg lols hahaha. Lack of face to face confrontation? Never had one? Now it comes to "stamp[ing] your feet and scream"... maybe more hidden psychological problems from this overactive imagination? Lols. At least I helped someone fulfil their empty social life. I agree, "who knows" what I'm like? No one here knows me and I don't know them. But for those themselves that self designate "victim" and "cowards"... we all know and trust that person's judgement on themselves. Hahahaha, it's okay.

@linda8765 Not sure why you went off topic and mentioned that you are used to people attacking you because like I said those comments could be for anybody. You should be commended though for being direct for once. I'm not sure why people would attack you since when you tell people they should stop reading Fox news and blame that western media is influencing our thoughts then I'm sure you are just concerned for our well being. For you to label the west as brainwashing us, it is a bit delusional to refuse to accept that you might also be brainwashed by your own circumstances. You can shout, stamp your feet and scream 'I'm not a victim' but, who knows?

@jimmyszeto haha people copying me is the greatest flattery. Pretty stoked about it haha. I heard weak people “subconsciously adopt” characteristics of successful people. I see some have taken an “interest” though desperately denied it. Slap in the face for someone? It’s okay! It’s cool, I’m open to educate/give my opinions for those who are lacking. I just found out the best way to do so is to unintentionally trigger their nerves. Light hearted fun for me gets to them for some odd reason. It would go from their inability to retort to all (if any) of the points, and then they would blurt things off topics and then succumb down “unconsciously” realising their need to copy and learn from me in their own free will. Very effective, but from experience it only stems from those who is severely lacking and/or just had their egos destroyed. Hahahahah. “Back and forth”? Is this “back and forth” already? Seems straightforward enough to me.... maybe not to someone else, omg haha. Oh it’s good, I’m use to people personally attacking me off topic because of their inabilities or their dire situation. But unfortunately to some who wants to bring me to their level, it has never touched or changed me in any way. Change only happens to those who are not confident in themselves, particularly those on the losing end. It has in fact provided me the entertainment... I laugh, reply and laugh again. I never expected my responses to generate a “mysterious” vibe or become “the centre of attention” to someone else. Definitely generated “interest” from someone who tried to withhold but ultimately failed to do so. Couldn’t resist. Weak but it’s okay, not a fault. Lols. Awww, you’re admitting you’re a coward? “I’m not normally a coward and quite direct”. Everyone understands themselves the most, if you insist on this yourself, then I guess so alrighty. I heard cowards have a tendency to “unconsciously” duck and avoid answering ‘on topic’ on the points presented, especially when challenged. In order to protect their already dwindling ego they go full on, attacking/labelling/grouping others on a personal level based on nothing. Even when the other party is chilled as, cowards go full on and even go as far as changing themselves. Heard it stems from their inferiority complex. Cowards can typically get help from counselling or a therapist though!! Get well soon!

@linda8765 One is deluded and they are very animated. Somebody is losing its cool whom I'm not sure why..... Oh sorry, after all this back and forth, I'm starting to subconsciously adopt this way of speaking. Those comments were not aimed at you by the way. Those comments could mean anybody and that somebody may or may not be you. Ooohhh, I'm starting to sound sooo mysterious and the centre of attention now.Sorry,don't be mistaken! I'm clearly talking about how I feel here since I use the word 'I'm'. I'm not normally a coward and quite direct but I accidentally fell into this....

@jimmyszeto I’m not gonna question “modern” day people’s intelligence, never will and never have. Not to do with me how they think. They can have a good laugh reading this thread and see that somebody can’t make a direct response to all (or any) of the points someone else is making, and that some is taking this very seriously. Haha. How seriously one might ask? As serious as thinking I’m actually making an accusation about someone else on this thread of being a nazi/kamikaze sympathiser? I don’t label anyone individually, I mentioned this before. I don’t know anyone here, and they don’t know me. Specifically in response to your reply, I didn’t shove (directly) the word sympathiser on you. How is somebody, you? I put the word out there and somebody picked it up and attached it to themselves. Don’t expect you to be one (even though quote mean otherwise “The Kamikaze who SACRIFICED themselves during the world war never thought of themselves as ‘VICTIMS’ and now “further victims”) and honestly nothing to do with me so I didn’t ask directly. Comments like that, when I write it it’s obvious sarcasm and intended for the laughs... cause like it’s so ridiculous, I don’t expect someone to be one it’s funny? So even though I didn’t accuse, I sometimes experience others taking it on. This is typical of those that somewhat (to some extent) resonate with the label. It’s like a thief stealing a loaf of bread and feeling anxious when questioned. Of course not you haha. I would never ever justify and redeem to any degree the right of a individual human purposefully inflicting murder on others. Be it Nazi or Kamikaze. Lessening their condemnation and blaming other factors robs the honour of those that have died in their hands.

@linda8765 Modern world people aren't stupid and won't be buying your accusation of me sympathising with Nazi/Kamikaze without a seconds thought. It's such a desperately, feeble attempt to twist my points, that I'm finding it quite amusing. No one is born as a baby with the thought of going on a kamikaze suicide mission. They were brainwashed and educated this way into thinking that is was the right thing to do. If these same people were born in a different country or lived in different era would they have been involved in Kamikaze? No, so these people were also stolen was living a normal life. I could have used any example such as 'the Great Leap Forward' or any other example and the logic will be the same. Obviously, there are further victims in the innocents who they have killed. I didn't get directly affected by any of these historical events so I'm sure my views will be different to the ones that had their lives affected.....

@jimmyszeto Good to hear you're alright! How do you know I belong to "that group"? Why are you comparing yourself to me? Does it make you feel good to label me? Drag me to your level? Typical of those that need to create a false satisfaction to put others with or under themselves, probably from their inadequate success of a life they are leading. E.g. invested in my response, then unable to respond directly hence making baseless statements about me personally and not on the topic, and then even writing about sympathising with Nazi/Kamikaze? I don't don't where Kamikaze came from, but fun rollercoaster ride. I love those. I give you respect on your stance, I don't try to change you. Why? Cause I'm confident in myself. Unlike some other people. I don't feel the need to label. I get no kick out of that unlike others. Basic manners, something British people emphasise (at least those that are living there) learn quickly. As I wrote earlier, I don't "discriminate" by ranking others (especially who I don't know) into groups. Why try grouping me with you and comparing yourself with me when you don't even know me? Quote "You belong to that group I mentioned far more than I am". Lols, haha. If somebody wants to be a "victim" that badly from their "environmental circumstances", I will respect their choice ahah. I thought you genuinely meant it when you said you weren't "interested" in me. Haha, I'm flattered to say the least. Your last few comments comparing yourself with me doesn't seem that way. Opinions on the topic are nice, but why are you bringing me (personally) into this? You can talk about yourself, I don't care, but me on a personal level?! Haha. Somebody are making statements without any basis. Trying to bridge the gap a bit by blurting out anything in hopes it will confuse others and work out. Pointing a finger with no basis, with three fingers pointing back at themselves. I'll just sit and watch some people point their fingers, doesn't get to me. I don't need to point back. Sometimes I'll deflect, but mostly laugh at how "invested" they are to bring me down. Again, I'm very flattered. This is considered arguing? Omg haha. Umm, perhaps for some that hasn't been out there in the real world. Not enough guts and courage, for others not enough knowledge for a real argument. Scared of face to face confrontation? Maybe someone can't because they have a thick accent and have a stutter or blank mind in a real life argument? Of course this is just somebody I imagine that don't know what an argument is. Still stuck in fairy land. Inability to form responses that directly address the argument. Haha, I'm sorry to break it to some people, but seriously this is only entertainment level. Also, I don't care about people who I don't know on their degree of "motivation" and which "side" they support is irrelevant. It's fun to laugh but I also pity them as they still haven't gotten over themselves and think the world revolves about how they aren't "motivated" enough... as if it would make a difference.

@linda8765 No, I’m alright. Currently, It’s quite peaceful over here and I don’t feel much motivation to support either side. You belong to that group I mentioned far more than I am. Put it that way! Like I expected, you are bound to strongly deny it. That’s based on roughed up you are when arguing with the users here. Trying to play it down that ‘you are only trying to have a bit of fun’ is a shrewd way out though...

@jimmyszeto You can label yourself as a victim (or other things such as brainwashed, "slightly misled") but don't label me that. You said: "We are victims of our own circumstances and environment". Why are you trying to group me together with you? You can speak for yourself and own experiences, I'm not stopping you, but why drag me with you? Cause I know I'm not that. I think I touched on this earlier, but I don't know you, and you don't know me. Quote: "The Kamikaze who SACRIFICED themselves during the world war never thought of themselves as ‘VICTIMS’." Omg, ummm I can't believe somebody would make out the Kamikaze to be victims.... Out of so many world history events why does this come to mind? They were the ally of Nazi. Lols. Heard of Hitler? Have a look into it! With this chain of thought somebody is having, Hitler is sacrificial and a victim. haha. Britain won't be happy to have Nazi/Kamikaze sympathisers living there. Man, it's nice to write to you, but the more I do so... it's kinda like realising the gap is bigger than I first thought. This has almost become educational for somebody. Read more, learn a bit more about history...

@linda8765 Of course we won't consider ourselves as victims because the whole brainwashing process, we will be oblivious to the process of it happening. The Kamikaze who sacrificed themselves during the world war never thought of themselves as 'victims'.

@jimmyszeto No, it's okay Jimmy! I respect your views and your upbringing that shaped a unique you! :) I'm happy to see that you also respect mine. I don't identify myself as a victim or a chess piece though, nor do I believe opinions can ever be neutral. I am in control of myself, and I am just me. Cool example, my favourite is Monte Cristo

@kinner Why do we need to watch the movie before deciding? It's the whole principle of the idea. We already know the theme of the movie so watching it before deciding whether it is wrong is not is irrelevant. As for the mother..It does not matter if she initially refused to let her child act in the movie because the end result is, the mother authorised her daughter's involvement in the movie.

@potatochip Probably Elaine put her name down for Crazy Runners for publicity but didn't turn up much....

@linda8765 We are victims of our own circumstances and environment. i'm not showing discrimination towards you. Sorry about that! Maybe I used poor choice of words to describe you as 'manipulated or manufactured product' but I couldn't think of an alternative choice of words at the time. Maybe I should have used the words 'slightly misled' due to circumstances instead or 'just a pawn on a chess board' behind the real powerful decision makers. We are all victims of our own circumstances and upbringing. For example, I can't find a noodle bar to walk into for lunch when i was younger. Had to make do with a sandwich and now I've become a big fan of sandwiches. I'm not discriminating but just can't take your opinions on board as neutral comments due to the emotional and environmental factors that may have weighed upon you....

@jimmyszeto Yeah, I am confused how she can be a part of Crazy Runner but finds a 5K challenging.

@jimmyszeto How does a long response equate to being defensive? Ummm, I have a feeling that somebody hasn't actually seen what a essay looks like? Ummm yeah. Maybe for somebody typing fast and reading fast is easy and fun. Maybe to some others it's hard to formulate a small 4ish paragraph response. Though for me this doesn't take time or effort. Nothing on this forum aggravates me, unlike somebody else who then becomes defensive (like some who aggressively go attacking others personally). You can say I'm ignorant, a PRC, a communist, have a bad upbringing, it only reflects badly on the writers part. Really, I like getting replies as it's just for laughs in my view. I talked about my life? You mean how I see how my patriotism grew from my values? How is that about my life? It's my opinions/views. Check in the dictionary but 'opinion' is a long shot to be a synonym for 'life'. But who here talked about their personal life without anyone asking? Somebody from England, who I suspect still lives at home as they can only watch TVB when their dad turns it on? Ooohhh, flashbacks. I'm not talking about my life, just replying with my views to your presumed assumptions about me, and how you "don't blame it" on my upbringing. What I talked about was my values/opinions/views, not where I live or if I have a dad. Nice to know you don't care ("interested") about me too. I would be worried if you did. Haha. Why are you quoting your own words "manufactured product"? Suddenly it doesn't seem very upright to have created and used this to describe a person right? De-humanising especially for someone who once mentioned in this thread that they don't support "discriminators". It's also beneficial to recognise that all opinions are biased, it's "not your fault, I'm sure" to have not realised this. lols. On my part, writing and reading comments has always been light-hearted and fun. I think I mentioned that in my earlier comments but in no way do I go out of my way to try to influence others. The way that you have gathered, processed, judged and concluded ("therefore") that my opinions can't be taken seriously by you .... ummm... haha... how should I break this to you? Were you actually taking me seriously from the beginning? On my part that definitely wasn't the aim. But if my comments did have that effect on you, I'm sorry I let you down.

@linda8765 Who is the one on the defensive here? No need to write an essay about your life. No one is interested. The whole process of developing into a ‘manufactured product’ is that the victims will not realise it is happening to themselves. Therefore, I can’t take any of your opinions seriously since they will be biased. Not your fault, I’m sure...