• @anon Yup, you’re correct. I don’t know about Fantastic TV (or shall we say “HK Open TV”...argh, hate that name,lol!) but Viu TV went way opposite direction from the start in that they don’t even “sign” artists at all...pretty much everyone who works with them is freelance (with a few exceptions of course), which is one reason why they’ve been able to get a variety of artists from all sectors to film for them. To me, that’s the smart way to go...who cares if artists show up at another TV station...as long as they fulfill their filming and promotion obligations for the series/show they worked on, that should be enough.
  • @llwy12 i mean if this is a new thing they're trying out, then that means TVB has thought about it & decided to let artists appear on other stations. So, I dont think nothing changes.
  • @llwy12 the entertainment industry is never fair, let alone the pay...
  • @wm2017 Yup…definitely nothing wrong with taking the complacent / safe / loyal route (and Wayne definitely falls into that category, lol), as long as the artist understands that path isn’t for everyone. A lot of what Wayne said is true, except with one caveat, which is how much of a role both TVB’s antiquated policies (which pretty much hasn’t changed in more than 4 decades) as well as their execs / management team play in all of this. Take artists’ pay for example – yes, the market determines it for the most part, but what sense does it make for a green leaf actor (or actress) to still be paid the same amount (or nearly the same amount) that he was making 30 years ago when he started with TVB and then when he asks for a raise, he’s offered the equivalent of like $10 and is told “take it or leave it”….meanwhile a younger artist with no experience is cast as lead right away and paid way more than that at starting and then is given opportunity after opportunity despite their talent not matching up (and of course there are the “outside money” opportunities with endorsements, show invites, etc.). Market price is one thing, but there are ways where, as management, you can still take care of all your employees fairly from a financial standpoint without wavering too far off from market price/conditions or whatnot. This is the kind of stuff that people who defend TVB often neglect to talk about…at the end of the day, it’s not really about the amount of money per se, but rather, the lack of respect and insult to an artist’s dignity that the lopsided (and unfair) treatment fosters….
  • @llwy12 good point, but i don't think it's just the unwritten rules of tvb but of the entire ET industry
  • @llwy12 You are always on point. lol.. I think he's the kind that's just blindly loyal, safe and not adventurous. haha...There's nothing wrong w/that as they are same like some of the office colleagues that you see daily. First and only job. lol...whereas most people would at least have 5-6 jobs in their lifetime. But he is certainly lucky to be able to catch his break at age 44 where some you see for decades and you still don't even know their name.
  • I like you Wayne and I respect your opinion (and even agree with you on a few points), but sorry, I’m going to continue criticizing TVB because for me, the negatives still outweigh the positives, plus why should I give them a free pass from fixing their inherent issues? My opinion has always been that blind loyalty can do more harm than good when it excuses an organization from having to fix their inherent problems (and we all know there are PLENTY of inherent problems at TVB) – which is why I sometimes get irritated when I hear artists defend TVB purely based off loyalty. I’m also a huge believer in constructive criticism driving improvement, which is one of the reasons why I’ve continued to be so vocal about TVB’s shortcomings over the years…though with that said, nowadays more and more, I feel like I shouldn’t even bother with TVB anymore because I’ve been saying the same things for decades and they still operate the same way….at some point I need to stop banging my head against the wall, lol.
  • Sure, on the surface, it looks like TVB is “allowing” artists under those contracts to appear on other TV stations, but we all know that when it comes to TVB, it’s always the “unwritten” rules that dictates their actions, not the written ones. So basically, nothing changes, as there’s nothing that prevents TVB from still taking action against an artist for appearing on another station, especially when their modus operendi has always been to do so underhandedly anyway. Most of the artists know this, which is why very few are actually going to pursue it. Jacqueline Chong doesn’t count, as she was never managed by TVB in the first place and her main career was never with TVB...she can do whatever she wants pretty much and it won’t affect her career. As for that other girl (Snowy?) — most people don’t know who she is so probably don’t care, plus it’s not like she’s a popular artist at TVB (I’ve personally never heard of her) so in a way, she doesn’t count either. I would be very surprised to see any of the currently promoted popular artists sign this contract...my guess is that TVB won’t have too many takers with this one, lol.
  • @dramas4me Exactly. I hope the fans stay on top of this and continue to hound Zhejiang until they respond appropriately because the family is grieving right now so holding Zhejiang accountable is probably the last thing on their minds. Though in all honesty, I will say that I’m worried now that, even later after everything is settled, Godfrey’s family may not pursue the matter further and if they don’t, that means his management company and his friends aren’t going to either....I don’t know Godfrey, but from all the stuff his friends have said so far, the gist I get is that he was a kind-hearted person whose family and friends meant the world to him and he wouldn’t want to see them suffer because of him. One of Godfrey’s childhood friends (who had hopped on a plane immediately when he heard that Godfrey had collapsed, but arrived too late, as Godfrey had died before the plane landed) said that when he got off the plane and saw the Zhejiang people there, he was so angry that his first reaction was that he wanted to punch them, but then he saw Godfrey’s parents treating the Zhejiang people kindly and telling them they understood no one wanted this to happen, etc., and so he immediately tamped down his anger, as he remembered that Godfrey’s legacy is “kindness” and he didn’t want to tarnish that. Based on that and a few other things I’ve read (including an article this morning where Godfrey’s mother told his friends to stay strong and not let Godfrey continue to worry about them, as he wouldn’t be able to rest in peace), I don’t get the feeling that they will aggressively pursue Zhejiang for answers, even later after everything has settled….if that’s the case, then it will be up to the fans and the general public to pursue justice… I hope this isn’t one of those cases where the guilty party gets off scot-free because the artist and/or their loved ones are too “nice” to hold them accountable. I don’t want this to turn out like Simon Yam’s case, where, being the nice person that he is, he chose to let bygones be bygones and not press charges against the guy who attacked him (and he told his management company not to pursue it either), which essentially let the guy walk away without having to answer for his actions….
  • @anon @wm2017 @llwy12 I hope you are right that something will be done/deal with about this tragic event. A young life is lost. The pain that it causes to those who love him. It's unbelievable that the production company hasn't done anything with the case (press conference and explaining). How can these people sleep at night knowing what they have done to him?
  • @wm2017 I think that’s one of the reasons why people are so pissed at Zhejiang TV and are demanding answers. Chase Me was one of those high-risk shows where even well-trained Olympic athletes had gotten hurt previously, so you would think it’s a no-brainer that they would have not just a doctor but an entire medical team at the ready to jump into action at a time like that...but that didn’t seem to happen, at least based on what witnesses at the scene said. Like others have mentioned in the other threads, when it comes to things like a heart attack, how quickly you get medical attention makes a huge difference in whether you live through it (I’m not a doctor but even I know this stuff)...if the production team for Chase Me is going to do such a dangerous show, I would think the right thing to do is to understand all potential risks, study up on how to handle potential crises/emergency situations, ensure all proper precautions are taken, and make sure everyone working knows the protocol....THAT’s the professional way to do it. But from all the stuff that has come out so far, it looks like the production team didn’t do any of that: the director was sitting on the sidelines eating melon seeds; the camera man and the rest of the production team had no clue what was going on — they thought Godfrey collapsing was a “stunt” so they kept filming; there were obviously no doctors there, or at least none who appeared right away, as the celebrities kept yelling “help!” and “where’s a doctor?”...sure, a lot of this stuff may just be rumored or whatnot (though some of it was captured on video) but that’s why the fans and general public are demanding an explanation from Zhejiang TV to clarify exactly what happened...but up to this point, they’ve been largely silent except for releasing two generic statements about the “regrettable” situation (not even an apology!) I would think that with something this severe (a celebrity lost his life) the station should’ve at least had a press conference to explain initial findings and give people a chance to ask questions...but perhaps that’s not the way things are done over there. Also, the rumored contract thing has created quite a stir too because some people are saying the ownness is on the celebrity who agreed to participate knowing the risks (and thereby Zhejiang shouldn’t be held liable), but to be honest, that “excuse” doesn’t fly because Godfrey was a guest star — its not known whether he even signed a contract for one, and two, he likely did not know the show was going to be this strenuous — physically challenging yes, but something he would still be able to handle, which makes sense because keep in mind, he probably knows little to nothing about the show overall (and who knows if anyone bothered to explain to him). But even so, it’s a bit of a moot point to me because whether the celebrity knew or not, it’s up to the production team to do the right thing like I described earlier.
  • @llwy12 That reminds me of that show that I used to tuned in a long time ago no matter how gross it was I still tuned in. lol. It was called 'Fear Factor' n it was only for a measly 50K for eating maggott pizza, swimming w/snakes or whatever dangerous craaap to eat or challenge I don't even remember much now but basically all disgusting stuff. I did hear at the time that the contestants have to sign something for competing prob really relates to death that they are not responsible such and such and not sure if they have medical team ready esp on the ones that's filmed in a damn mountain or remote areas but I guess no one got hurt from that stupid show as we never heard about it when it was broadcast. Like you I don't follow a lot of china or taiwan dramas either and even if I did tune in on utube I was never able to finish the whole series even thou he's eye candy but seriously how can you forget that height and handsome looking face? I thought one of these days he's bound to come out w/a great project that will make him popular if not super popular now. One of my colleagues watched his Hollywood debut 'The Mortal Instruments' and she was so looking forward to more of the movies even thou it's probably not happening since that movie was a while ago but she was a huge fan of the books. She was shell-shocked to hear it on entertainment news before I even got a chance to tell her. Sigh.... Oh my lord! That is so damn sad really. I did not hear that news. The very last news I heard was on that show that was introduced here on JStars and I was so looking to that series next year which I heard wrapped up a few months ago and that costar of his was posting such sweet stuff about bumping into him a few days earlier at a function, asking her if she's thirsty specifically went and got her water, telling her to go to taiwan and he will show her around n get good food or whatever and such a fine good person he was. Really seem like a nice person. Sigh... Life is so freaking unpredictable and unfair sometimes.
  • @wm2017 I had read that the regular participants on the show had to sign a restrictive contract that basically didn’t allow them to say no to whatever they were asked to do….and there was verbiage in there along the lines of “if anything happens, it’s your issue, we take no responsibility”….not sure if guest stars had to sign the same contract or not (I doubt it, but then again, I’m not familiar with that show or exactly how things work over there so can’t really say for sure). I definitely know what you mean about people not being able to accept Godfrey’s death, even those that don’t know him. I actually had no clue who he was prior to this, as I don’t follow Taiwan entertainment nowadays as much as I used to and I don’t follow Mainland China entertainment a whole lot either…yet the last few days, reading all the news about his death and seeing all the posts and videos from his friends, their memories of what a good person he was, I actually got teary-eyed at one point. And all that stuff about Zhejiang Television got me mad too… Did you guys hear that piece about one of Godfrey’s close friends saying that he and his girlfriend Bella’s families were scheduled to meet for dinner the next night (11/28) during which he was planning to propose to her (Godfrey had called up his friend a few days before to make sure he would be available that day to help surprise her)? I got a lump in my throat when I read that. So sad!!
  • @llwy12 Exactly, he took a guest fee meaning he really didn't care about the money. I know, I would feel like dying too if I invited my friend to something and he died b/c of it. What I don't understand is does he know he's overworking himself at the time and if he says NO to can't participate as scheduled did he have to pay a huge sum for not showing up such and such? I mean probably management have to do w/it too you can just simply say no to something. OMG...whatever it is now, he died over a stupid show like this and that's why it's so hard for ppl to accept even if you don't know or a fan of his esp when most people say he's kind and a gentleman off screen as well. The good died young. :o(
  • @ace818 For me, what makes Godfrey’s passing even more sad is that he appeared on the show not because of money but because of a favor for a friend, which now cost him his life. According to the latest reports, Godfrey had bumped into one of the show’s regular participants, actor Huang Jingyu, whom he was friends with, at an awards ceremony and Huang invited him to guest star on the show...Godfrey said yes even before Huang got the chance to explain details of the show to him...can’t imagine what that friend must be going through right now... I read that there is a movement right now among Godfrey’s fans and general audiences to boycott Zhejiang Television because of their lack of response and overall the way they seem to not want to take any responsibility. Their public image is in the toilet right now what with all the leaked footage about delays in getting Godfrey medical attention, the nonchalant attitudes of the director and crew and also the execs at the station...also the fact that they were still promoting the Chase Me show and had it on their broadcast schedule days after Godfrey’s death, etc... I agree with the above that definitely this is not going to slip under the radar easily...there will definitely be repercussions, it’s just a matter of when and how severe...
  • Another music legend gone....so sad that we keep losing these icons one after another. I was rewatching an old JSG show from the 80s the other day and had to switch it off halfway through because it got too depressing seeing so many stars who are no longer with us now and thinking about all that we’ve lost in the music industry (and it doesn’t help seeing the miserable state of the industry now in current times) The only silver lining I see to this is that Michael is now reunited with Leslie, Anita, James Wong, and other musicians whose lives he touched but are no longer with us....
  • @jjwong Yes, very sad indeed if those are the only choices...though in a sense, I guess it’s not that much of a drop given the already low caliber of female artists at TVB over the past 15 years...looks like TVB finally reached the bottom of the barrel and are now desperately scraping the bottom of it to see if there is anything they can salvage, lol....
  • @coralie I absolutely agree with you. Having followed TVB for as long as I have, I know for a fact those awards aren’t based on an artist’s collective body of work, but rather, the whim of TVB management and whom they want to promote...with the occasional exception being for those times when awarding a particular artist will become especially controversial, in which case they will usually go with the “safe” option (and there are the extremely rare circumstances where audience pressure actually had a hand in trumping management whim, but of course this doesn’t happen often). And it’s not just who ends up getting the award that’s an issue — who they chose for top 5 each year in the main categories already shows how much of a joke these awards are.
  • I’ve loved both Uncle Chi and Barbara (individually as artists and together as a couple) since the 80s when both were at the height of their careers. Watching them go through so many of life’s milestones together — dating, marriage, birth of their sons, heartbreaking death of their youngest, career ups and downs, etc. — and to see their love not only continue to endure, but actually get stronger as the years go by, it restores my belief in the beauty of true love. Another entertainment industry couple I love whose relationship was along similar lines was Samuel Kwok and his late wife Susanna AuYeung, a couple whose love transcended even death. Both couples are proof that you CAN have long-lasting and enduring love relationships in the entertainment industry — it may be the exception, but it definitely exists!
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