• @llwy12 You're behind the times and biased as well. Mainland dramas have progressed exponentially with superb production values in the last four years, especially in period dramas which are gaining fans beyond Asia. Modern dramas are also gaining ground.
  • @jayne Yup, agreed! Basically, TVB is becoming more and more irrelevant. One problem (out of many) is their refusal to change, especially when it comes to their policies (both written and unwritten), most of which are so antiquated, it’s not even funny. Just look at the way they manage artist contracts for example, which basically hasn’t changed in like 50 years…..most companies nowadays adjust salaries and such based on inflation, change in minimum wage, etc. but TVB doesn’t – they’ve been known to pay artists the exact same salary they had like 30 years ago, with no raise or anything, even if it’s just for “cost of living” (yes, there is such a thing as a “cost of living” raise). And to add insult to injury, TVB policies are purposely restrictive – so that same artist making the same salary he did when he started can’t take up other jobs outside to make extra money unless TVB approves it (or unless it’s a job TVB found for him because then TVB can make commission off it). In exchange for the meager salary, TVB does the only thing they know how to do best – overexpose the artist by sticking them in audiences’ faces 24/7, irregardless of whether that artist has talent or not. Those who don’t want to play by these rules or are “disobedient” in any way, shape, or form get tossed by the wayside to fend for themselves (and of course eventually leave). A lot of people think that most TVB artists leave because of money – yes, that’s part of it, but the most common reason why the artists leave is actually not money, but rather lack of respect and dignity. When as an artist, you have been nothing but loyal and obedient to your employer for 30 years and decide to ask for a small raise to your base pay (let’s say something to the tune of $100 a month), but the company not only refuses, they counter with a “take it or leave it” amount of $10 (or some small amount like that), implying that the artist is not worth more than that and therefore dispensable, how should we expect that artist to react? (I can tell you how I’d react – tell TVB management to go to hell and quit right there on the spot). Unfortunately, this is the reality for most artists who work for TVB, it’s just some choose to “grin and bear it” (for reasons only they know) while others choose to leave (some quietly, some not so quietly). The sad part is that when that same artist tells the media that they left their “maternal home” (TVB) because they felt they weren’t being respected, TVB management acts completely oblivious (Disrespect? How did we ever disrespect you? No clue what you’re talking about.) Then the die-hard TVB fanatics (or perhaps paid TVB trolls) step in to make that artist’s life a living hell and then of course, the artist shuts up and moves on. The cycle then repeats itself, except now with a different artist. Most companies embrace opportunities for improvement because they want to better themselves (and because they have to in order to stay relevant). TVB is one of those few companies that not only refuses to change, they also shun opportunities for improvement….this, my friends, is what happens when you’re in an environment where you are essentially the main player for 50 years with no competition….complacency isn’t even the word for it anymore….
  • Thanks but no thanks. At 60 episodes, the Mainland one is guaranteed to drag...plus modern series have never been Mainland TV industry’s strong point. Fox Asia will actually be doing a series about Teresa Teng as well — I’d rather watch that one, since, judging from their previous two series, the production values will be higher and of course, better cast.
  • Glad to see “HK flavor” films such as Men on the Dragon and Still Human get recognized this year! I definitely don’t want to be in the position to choose the winners this year, as there were so many great performances! I’m excited to see Catherine Chau nominated for Best Supporting Actress, though I wasn’t too surprised given her role in Project Gutenberg was a bit of a breakthrough for her (even though the rest of the movie was kind of blah in my opinion)…with that said though, pretty sure Kara Hui is going to win in that category (and deservedly so, as Kara is a fantastic actress no matter what type of role she plays). Best Actor is especially tough this year, as Philip Keung was really good in Tracey, but Francis Ng and Anthony Wong were also excellent in their respective films. For me, it’s a toss up between Francis and Anthony this year in that category. Supporting Actor is also a tough one to choose – I think Ben Yuen will probably come out on top, since he won the Golden Horse Best Supporting Actor award for the same role earlier in the year…but then again, his fellow stage actor “brother” Poon Chan Leung was also fantastic in Men on the Dragon…but even with all that, Uncle Chi (Liu Kai Chi) is nominated in this category again and despite 2 previous wins already, I will always root for him because he’s one of my all-time favorite actors!
  • @llwy12 some wrong analysis i would say. Canto pop can be so popular because of GOD created few cantopop god singers on earth such as sam hui, alan tam ,leslie, anita mui, and 4 heavenly king. But some already died and the rest already old. They cannot help anything anymore. Or else cantopop will not be popular at all. 2nd is there is too few canto speaking person on earth compare with mandarin, english and others. Although i no longer watch tvb jade solid gold award anymore, but you still cannot deny tvb really good with their dramas because many of their dramas with good theme song that not even mainland china can produce. Jinny and Hana still sing it perfectly although their voice are not unique.
  • @anon No, Jones had been working on modifying the script for ages and they only started filming recently. Btw, this article isn’t accurately translated. The Chinese version said that there actually will be foreign actors in the cast (I’m assuming Western actors, though may or may not be from Hollywood), which is why they will be filming on location in England as well as Australia (to accommodate the filming schedules of those actors). I’m looking forward to season 2! With a bigger budget and the international profile now partnering with Netflix, the expectations are high so season 2 better not disappoint (especially since Netflix raised their subscription fees recently — need to get our bang for our buck, lol).
  • @anon Yup...the beauty of Fox Asia’s series is their ability to assemble some of the movie industry’s top actors as well as rising stars (all 3 of the younger artists mentioned are active in the HK movie industry and have had acclaimed performances) together to battle acting chops. Trading Floor had great acting and now with Stained, it’s actually taken up a notch acting-wise. Can’t wait for more details on Fox Asia’s next project to come out!
  • @kidd Yes and no. I agree with you that there are still talented singers and songwriters in HK and we should definitely support them, but at the same time, we also need to face reality and acknowledge that the HK music industry and Cantonese songs as a whole have been dying out. I don’t think it’s about being negative, but rather facing the facts and understanding where the problem lies, which is important because the only way to truly fix (or attempt to fix) an issue is to acknowledge it and figure out what is causing it (root cause). One of the reasons why TVB has become the way they are now is because their approach whenever problems arise is to bury their heads in the sand and deny that there is a problem in the first place – no problem = nothing needs to be fixed, which allows them to continue doing what they do (and continue to be stagnant and increasingly irrelevant in a world that has already been several steps ahead of them for years). And no, not all the new artists are bad….some of them are actually quite good (like Hubert Wu for example), but unfortunately, there aren’t enough of the “good” ones to make up for the “not-so-good” ones, which is where the imbalance lies. And with the way the industry works nowadays, with the rise of the Mainland China market, the reality is the HK market is too small to be sustainable, so the imbalance (in terms of talent) exacerbates things significantly. Add to that the “exclusivity” of TV stations like TVB with all of their restrictive rules and such, which creates a system that basically only promotes their own (largely talentless) singers. Singers not signed with TVB need to rely on other platforms to get their music out to the masses, which is increasingly difficult in HK with only a few options (the other 2 free-to-air TV stations, though not many watch them compared to TVB or the 3 main radio stations, which all have their own rules and restrictions). Definitely agree that JSG is NOT an accurate reflection of the HK music industry anymore – which is why long-time HK music fans like me don’t even want this award ceremony to go on any more because all it does is further add fuel to the fire. We all poke fun at Louis Koo winning Most Popular Male at CRHK Chik Chak awards, but at least that win was for a specific purpose – it was HK music fans way of saying how crappy HK music awards shows are and how tired we are of the way things have gotten (to the point that we are going to vote for a non-singer who hasn’t released a single album that year and only had ½ a song in contention to win the main singing award). With Louis’s win though (and kudos to Louis for being such a good sport, since he’s well aware that everyone is using him to mock the system), at least the music industry is getting something out of it, as Louis already made it clear that in his current capacity as President of HKPAG, he is going to push for something that the HK music industry (and almost all of HK’s veteran singers) have been asking for the past 2 decades but have not managed to get: one unified music award ceremony (not affiliated with any TV or radio station) where all singers can participate and will truly represent HK music industry (similar to how Taiwan has GMA and the U.S. has the Grammys). As a long-time HK music fan, I’m hoping Louis’s project becomes a reality sooner rather than later (word on the street is that he’s been in closed door meetings with music industry people for awhile already pushing things along, so there’s some hope). :-)
  • @milanista I guess that’s where my question is when it comes to Pakho — if he’s truly talented as you guys say, then why the hell would he sign with Voice Entertainment? To me, that’s a stupid move for an established singer/songwriter, especially if they have talent. If the goal was to get in TVB’s good graces and be eligible for their awards or whatnot, he could sign with EEG instead, like Hins and Hacken did (as much as I dislike EEG, at least they are widely known and recognized as a major record label in Asia — all the things that Voice Entertainment ISN’T). I’m not a fan of Pakho’s and don’t like any of his songs, but I have nothing against him as a person...I’m just looking at it purely as an outsider trying to understand the rationale in terms of why an established singer would want to put his hard-earned reputation and career on the line signing with a “small potato” record company that is basically crap...not just that, Voice Entertainment is also irrelevant in the industry, as they aren’t even recognized outside of TVB.
  • @jimmyszeto Agree with you about Lowell. I read that article about Hana “overcoming adversity” or whatnot to finally “make it to the top” (though I honestly don’t consider an artist who has only been in the industry 2 years and relies on singing TVB theme songs for a living has truly “made it to the top” but oh well) and my first reaction was – so? It’s not like she’s the only artist who had to overcome adversity. Let’s take Lowell for example: Lowell is actually dyslexic, so writing songs and remembering lyrics is a huge challenge for him, yet he was able to overcome the odds and make a successful career out of being a singer/songwriter….also, when he started, he knew nothing about HK music, since he lived in the U.S. and wrote mostly in English (in the early days, he had to painstakingly translate everything from English to Chinese – not an easy feat given his dyslexia and other learning disabilities)…he started singing in hotel bars and lounges when he returned to HK, which is where he learned his Cantonese…..yet he went on to become one of HK Cantopop’s most prolific songwriters. Despite all the challenges, Lowell (and his wife Susan of course – the two of them were one of the best husband and wife songwriting duos in the industry) has written some of the most beautiful Cantonese songs, both for himself and other artists (the song 天變地變情不變 , which he wrote for Jacky Cheung, is one of my favorites!)
  • @llwy12 Yep that Kayee Tam is just a professional cover artist. She hangs around on YouTube singing covers of recent songs. I like Lowell. Just an amazing understated unique talent that unfortunately not many of this generation has heard of at all. It is appalling if the classic songs from ‘My Fair Lady’ and ‘life on the line’ mistaken for Vincent and Kayee Tam and Hana as original singers....
  • @jimmyszeto And the irony is of course, some of the current Voice artists have to rely on covering previous classics and turning them into theme or sub-theme songs for current TVB series to become popular (i.e. Lowell Lo’s 陪著你走 which was turned into sub-theme song for My Unfair Lady, and Danny Chan’s 有了你, which was the theme song for that BB series – interestingly enough, both songs were covered by The Voice’s Tam Ka Yee). By the way, that song Hana won for, the sub-theme to Life on the Line that’s been popular recently, is actually a cover of Lowell Lo’s classic 但願人長久 (a song whose melody was written by Lowell while his wife Susan Tong penned the lyrics)....so those who like the song should give proper credit to Lowell and Susan, not TVB. The sad part is that most current audiences don’t know this information and think the songs are originally sung by The Voice artists. I remember some company did a survey where they polled several hundred people in HK asking them who the original singer for 陪著你走 is and majority said Tam Ka Yee while a bunch said Vincent Wong…only ONE person out of hundreds surveyed got the answer right, that the original singer was Lowell Lo (so obviously Voice Entertainment and TVB’s marketing plan to make people think the song is theirs has been working). I nearly fell out of my chair back when Vincent won an award for that song and he didn’t even know who originally sang it (made himself look like a fool on whatever that award show was). Oh and have any of these people thanked the original singers / composers / songwriters when they get awards for these songs? Hana thanked the song’s producer (Chu whatever his name, who works for Voice Entertainment and “remastered” the song) as well as Voice Entertainment’s boss Herman Ho...any mention of Lowell or Susan? Of course not!!! So yea, basically, when it comes to TVB theme songs nowadays, either the current theme songs suck or if they’re good, they’re most likely covers of classics that Voice Entertainment tries to repackage as their own with no credit (publicly of course) given to the original team that created the song, which ticks me off to no end….
  • @llwy12 Yep. I remember how much of a big deal it was to win a JSG top 10 song back in the day especially when there were any slots available with Anita Mui and Alan Tam always bagging a few each year then the Four Heavenly Kings dominating year in year out. When the likes of Ram Tsiang or Amanda Lee took one against all odds it was recognised as massive victories. Every JSG song have become easily recognised as classics. If you watch a JSG ceremony now a top 10 winnerwould either be not celebrate or they would pretend to be ecstatic over the useless award. Most of the songs aren’t even hits during the year nevermind having classic potential. I believe that Fred, Stephanie Ho, Hubert, Jinny, Albert Hui and Hana will be dominating JSG for years to come. TVB don’t even bother to outsource singers to cameo in theme songs anymore. Back in the day we had plenty invited back, Andy Lau theme for a few Alex Man series themes/Burning Flame, Aaron for Burning Flame 2, Jacky for plain love /country spirit franchise.
  • @jimmyszeto So true! And therein lies part of the problem….over the years, TVB got cheap and started having their own singers / artists perform theme songs rather than have “real” non-TVB singers perform them…and of course things got 110% worse after Voice Entertainment was established (variety in theme songs went down the toilet, hence you have people like Jinny Ng and Hana Kuk singing like 9 out of 10 theme songs)....they should seriously change JSG to be “Top Ten TVB Series Theme Song Awards” because that’s what the show essentially is (which is proven by the fact that virtually none of the winners at JSG are able to bag any awards at the other 3 music award ceremonies except for the EEG artists like Hins and Joey)….if I were a Voice Entertainment artist, I would be embarrassed that 1) the only place I’m able to get an award is at TVB and 2) that award has zero credibility in the industry because Voice Entertainment as a record label is not widely recognized outside of TVB. Also, just as a point of reference as to how badly JSG has eroded: I occasionally re-watch old TVB programs from the 80s/90s and the other day, I binge re-watched a few old JSG award shows (I was in one of my nostalgic phases). Back in those days, (the 80s JSG especially), they would actually introduce all nominated songs at the beginning of the ceremony (the name of the song, the artist, and the album)…it was always roughly 40 songs nominated and from that lot, they would have to cut it down to 10 songs for the actual awards (majority of the 40 songs were NOT TVB series themesongs). I remember back then, it would be hard for me to choose which 10 songs out of the 40 to root for because all the songs were so good and so deserving of an award…I would always wish they had more than 10 slots so that all my favorites (which sometimes were all 40 songs, lol) could get something. Nowadays, it’s the opposite – there isn’t even 1 or 2 songs worth listening to, let alone enough to fill 10 award slots….
  • @llwy12 When all the singers of a TVB theme tunes win the awards, that’s where the alarm bells starts sounding. It would take an exceptional theme song in the past to bag an award. Something of the ‘Looking Back in Anger’ calibre....
  • @jimmyszeto Exactly! As many of the veteran artists have been saying for at least a decade already, TVB’s award shows nowadays are nothing more than a “closed-door game” exclusively for members who are willing to play by TVB’s rules. Those who have a problem with TVB’s rules can’t do anything except refuse to participate (which is the option that most of the veteran artists go with, hence one of the reasons why TVB’s awards shows in recent years have lacked “star quality” – most of the “big stars” basically don’t bother with TVB anymore)….
  • @kolo Yup…come to think of it, same thing can be said about all of TVB’s programs nowadays. Even shows that TVB puts together to supposedly “pay tribute” to veteran artists end up being a platform for TVB to shamelessly promote their own artists and singers. I’ve stopped watching all TVB “tribute shows” over the years because they do nothing but piss me off with the blatant way they use veteran artists’ names for self-promotion….
  • @llwy12 It’s a company end of year awards rather than a national award. Every company has an employee of the year award. Not prestigious at all...
  • @llwy12 zero credibility is a good word to describe this award show. it has become a podium to promote their own artist. nothing more than that.
  • I also haven’t paid much attention to JSG or any of the other HK music awards since the end of the Heavenly Kings era (late 90s), as there hasn’t been much worth paying attention to since then. With that said, among all the music award shows, JSG is definitely the worst of the lot, since it pretty much only awards singers from TVB’s own music label or from EEG....at least the other 3 awards shows allows participation from all music labels and so better represents the music industry. TVB should’ve cancelled JSG years ago rather than let it become the laughingstock with zero credibility that it is now. As for who won what at JSG, honestly I don’t give a crap, since that award show has long ago ceased to exist in my book anyway....what I do have a problem with though is the winners’ delusional fans trying to compare their idols to veteran singers in the industry (specifically in this case, Hana Kuk’s fans putting her at the level of such legendary singers as Jenny Tseng and Cass Pang)...rejoicing in their idol’s win (no matter how illegitimate and undeserving that win is) is one thing, but please don’t drag veteran artists into it...to me, that’s akin to using those veteran singers’ names in vain, which the rest of us non-fans have the right to be pissed about. So yea, Hana fans, please stop!
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