• @llwy12 Same here, but you know who else is helping Asian Representation in Hollywood. K-pop idols like BTS. Also because of K-pop idols like BTS, and others (ie: Monsta X, GOT7, Blackpink, Twice, etc...), it's helping Asian-American in other way. Also if Hollywood continue to well ignore Asian-Americans, a lot of them may go to South Korea to become famous because they know K-pop is so big and global. It's like "If I can't become famous in Hollywood or top the Billboard 200 chart, I'll go to South Korea and become a K-pop idol." Case in point: Kreisha Chu, she became the first filipino-American K-pop idol and her debut got a lot of attention in Korea and in the US. So a lot of Asian-Americans are going to realize that South Korea can also make them famous because of the popularity of K-pop and K-dramas. Also you got Tzuyu, Sana, Mina, and Momo of Twice. Those non-Korean K-pop idols are getting a fair amount of attention not only in Korea, but around the world. You don't need Hollywood, if you're Asian-American and you can speak a good amount of Korean and want to become a singer, K-pop is the only way to go. Yesterday, I saw a Brazilian shoe tweeted an ad featuring BTS on there. You don't need Hollywood to become famous, South Korea can also do that too.
  • Indeed, it's very sad to see TVB just fall from it's glory days. I had fond memory growing up watching their drama. I think I read it from an article from Variety in June that TVB had started to lay off dozens of employeees: https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/tvb-hong-kong-oldest-commercial-broadcaster-lay-off-dozens-1202860510/ Yeah, it looks like TVB could go the way of ATV as @hetieshou stated.
  • @nori There's been a lot of hype about the remake from the international fans of K-dramas. So if this remake does so well, then K-dramas fan may watch the original. I remember a thread on OneHallyu forum about why K-dramas fans don't branch out to other Asian dramas. Also I've seen evidence of K-dramas fans branching out to Taiwanese dramas because 3 Taiwanese dramas got Korean remake and also when Taiwan remade several K-dramas, fans of K-dramas just branch out to Taiwanese dramas.
  • @llwy12 "Anyway, I agree that TVB is running out of ideas, as the alien coming to earth concept has been done before. The other problem is that TVB severely lacks talent right now, so even if similar series, it won’t have same success due to the cast being sub par." That reminds me, somebody asked on Quora why no other Asian countries (well maybe except Taiwan) can't make a good drama on the same level as Korean one: https://www.quora.com/How-can-other-countries-produce-great-TV-series-like-the-KDrama-Why-are-Korean-dramas-so-outstanding-I-myself-cant-sleep-for-days-watching-them I mean K-dramas are doing something that HK dramas has never done. It also baffle me why TVB has not bought remake right for remaking/adapting K-dramas when other Asian countries are doing them.
  • @llwy12 I've watched a lot of TVB shows from the 80's trust me, I've never heard of The Superpower (if it was a underrated show, then that's why I never heard of it), and I'm not sure if that show ever got dubbed in Vietnamese like other TVB show I've watched in the past.
  • "The production that surprised audiences the most, however, was You Who Came from the Kitty Star , a sci-fi drama inspired by the popular Korean drama, My Love from the Star ." Uh, TVB why didn't you just buy the remake right rather then just downright plagiarizing it. I mean the Philippines and Latin America are much poorer then Hong Kong yet they're able to purchase remake right for K-dramas for a cheap fee. The Phillipines is much poorer then Hong Kong yet they're able to purchase rights and remake Korean dramas.
  • @nori More like this drama: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Love_from_the_Star I never heard of that TVB show you mention until I look it up on Wikipedia and I'm a long time TVB fan.
  • Even on the 10th anniversary, the drama is still very popular. On Dramafever, despite the show being old a lot of fans of K-dramas and veteran fans of Taiwanese dramas really love this show on Dramafever.
  • @jkfan "Hong Kong dramas have a lot of revenge dramas. TVB alone has done lots. Are you cantonese or are you a foreigner and are just watching what is available on line from TVB or ATV or other Hong Kong staion?" That's the problem, we just got TVB dramas just last year on Dramafever, and just this year we got TVB dramas and other HK dramas on Viki. The problem not a lot of people are watching them despite Korean and Taiwanese dramas have gained popularity. " Perhaps go to Tudou or go to a store that sells Hong Kong dramas, you will see the vast number and genre that Hong Kong did already." Didn't I say I've been a long time TVB drama fans? So I know how TVB dramas can't really hold candle to K-dramas, and I talked with a native HK watcher and he kinda agreed that Korean drama seem to stand out from Hong Kong and I'll quote: "The acting does help. I am comparing to Hong Kong dramas which are predictable, corny and old fashioned. Does the actors help? Sure, they are beautiful even if they have had plastic surgery, but even if you factor this out, the plain fact is that Korean dramas have high quality acting, production value (music, cinematography) beautiful scenes and interesting plots. In comparison with what I have seen from Hong Kong dramas, its almost too silly to even compare the two. I watch more k-dramas than American TV." Source: https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Korean-television-dramas-so-popular-throughout-Asia/answer/Ken-Tse-1 As I said, I never seen Hong Kong doing a revenge drama, if they did what is the name of it so I can verify it myself. Also as I observe from both Hong Kong and South Korea, I definitely know that Hong Kong has never done a political thriller drama in the vein of Assembly, President, Queen of Ambition, Daemul. Those K-dramas can definitely hold up to something like House of Cards. And I do know that TVB has never done a modern war drama, I never seen TVB doing a TV drama adaptation of this battle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hong_Kong
  • @jkfan "Let this be the blog for Hong Kong media without you constantly barging in to talk about Kdrama, Kidols etc. Hong Kong invented the asian idols! Hong Kong artists were really the first to be the triple threat of Singing, Dancing, Acting." No, other Asian countries had also invented idols during that same time like Japan. "Take a look at Andy Lau the original 4 king, or Jacky Cheung another of the 4 original heavenly king." I looked at the list of boy group and girl group and there are not a lot compared to Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea. If there was a lot of boy group and girl group in Hong Kong, I would've known and I never heard of Hong Kong making a boy or girl group something on the same level as EXO, Super Junior, Girls Generation, etc... I know about the original 4 kings, but they're not technically a boy group like let say NSYNC, Backstreet Boys, TVXQ, SHINee. The number of musical group is small compared to Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and Mainland China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cantopop_musical_groups
  • "So many. You want fake war or real war? Wanna try some thrilling ones like Attack on Titans or Battle Royale. Or as serious as 20th Century Boys." Those are films, not 20 episodes dramas. Come back when you show me a 11 episode J-dramas that has the same action like Road no.1 and Comrades. "I dont watch Korean dramas much and I quit TVB dramas for a long ago, I also rarely watch Japanese dramas but all you have said has something similar (or even so much better in my opinion) made by the Japanese. As I only watched few dramas given by you so I will base on the content to give you the similar works of the Japanese." So why are you leaving this comment if you don't watch enough drama. Trust me, I had a long time experience with Asian TV drama to know which seem better and why western countries are eager to remake them and why Asian and western countries want to co-produce dramas. Until I see Japan doing something like Assembly or President, both politic dramas from KBS, I don't think J-drama can hold candle to their Korean counterpart. "For your idea of putting Korean actors in TVB series, I doubt it will work. Just look at how the Korean actors do in Chinese dramas and you will know. Diamond lover was a big flop to Bi (Rain) where his acting is highly criticized. YoonA is outshone by Na Zha for her role in ancient series. Park Min Soo is said to look weird next to Zhang Han. Third love ft Liu Ya Fei and Song Seung Hun is criticized for the acting and the unnatural line delivery. So overall, the Korean in Chinese series only can act… the Korean. If I remember right, YoonA is voted to be the most beautiful girl amongst the Korean idols, but look at her in China, Na Zha outshines her with her beauty (Na Zha is a terrible actress)." Sources? Because that's not what I was told. Maybe the international audiences outside of Asia would've a different opinion.
  • @funnlim Also, Jaynestars only has 425 members when K-dramas website can get over a million fans/members. Do you want to increase Jaynestars membership? Then TVB and Hong Kong should take the international market seriously, that include Latin America and Middle East. If I was the head of TVB, I would've cashed in on the drama fad that K-drama created and I would've casted K-pop idols in TVB dramas to set off buzz amongst international fans outside of Asia.
  • @funnlim "International audiences do watch TVB. I consider the chinese in western country or vietnamese and myself as international audiences." Then explain why on Dramafever and Viki, TVB dramas are not getting a lot of views when Taiwanese drama are able to get more views and positive comments then TVB dramas. Why isn't TVB taking advantage of the Latin American and Middle East market when K-dramas and Taiwanese dramas are gaining popularity over there. If you say TVB dramas are popular, then why does Heart of Greed have 10 reviews on Dramafever when a Korean and Taiwanese can get over 500 to 1,000 reviews. Also Dramafever audiences aren't Asian. I'm not making this up: http://www.vox.com/2014/9/24/6832951/heres-why-millions-of-americans-are-binge-watching-korean-dramas And 18 million Americans (and majority of them are non-Asians, and Asian American watch their dramas dubbed or used Viki to watch their dramas) according to a reliable source watched K-dramas: http://www.koreatimesus.com/about-18-million-americans-enjoy-k-dramas-korea-creative-content-agency/ So explain to me why TVB dramas on Dramafever and Viki aren't attracting Americans to watch it? "I as TVB fan and critic do not want TVB to remake k dramas. Asian audiences have seen k dramas and to see TVB do the same thing is like watching it twice." Well, Taiwan did it and it got K-dramas fans attention. When Taiwan remake You're beautiful into Fabulous Boy, it got popular amongst K-drama fans. So if it worked for Taiwan. Why not do it for Hong Kong dramas too. I've even seen Korean remake of Taiwanese dramas got people that never watch Taiwanese dramas ended up watch the Taiwanese original. In Time With you, and Fated to love you got more fan because of the Korean remake. So if TVB can allow Korea to remake some of their show, I guarantee people on DF and Viki will end up watching the TVB original. I'm all for KBS remaking Heart of Greed into a weekend drama, and MBC should remake War and Beauty. Remaking those 2 and if international K-dramas fan love it and found out it was a remake, then those same K-drama fans will end up watching the TVB original. Trust me, it worked for the Taiwanese then it should work for Hong Kong too.
  • @anon I like to note Hong Kong population (according to what I read is estimated at 7 million people) which is even smaller then South Korea (50 million) and Taiwan (20 million), and yet TVB (and other stations) is not taking the international market seriously. I know you'll tell me that TVB don't care but I thought that might be something you need to know. One thing that I notice that TVB (nor HKTV) hasn't really done that other Asian nations has done. Despite K-pop being popular around the world and in Hong Kong I never seen TVB (nor HKTV) casting K-pop idols in their dramas. I know some K-pop idols that can act and also speak fluent Cantonese and I'm baffled why TVB nor HKTV didn't cast them in their drama. If HKTV had K-pop idols in their dramas, I think it would've brought in a lot of good rating and HKTV could've continue to make drama to this day. List of K-pop idols that can act and can speak Cantonese fluently: Wonder Girls' Lim (Lim lived in Hong Kong since childhood, speak Cantonese fluently and has done acting in a film) GOT7's Jackson (is a Hong Kong native, he did act in a web drama, Dream Knight) Super Junior M's Henry Lau (can speak fluent Cantonese, and can act well in a film) Kris (former member of EXO, speak fluent Cantonese, and has done several film roles) Alexander (former member of UKISS, can speak multiple languages fluently that include Cantonese and he did lived in Hong Kong during his childhood. He has done acting in films and dramas) Now I wonder why didn't TVB and HKTV didn't thought of this (when other Asian countries did this, some Taiwanese dramas had K-pop idols in some of their production). Casting big name K-pop idols that could've brought in huge rating in Hong Kong (and probably get international audiences outside of Asia watching TVB dramas, and could've give both TVB and HKTV a big reason to take the international market more seriously). Had HKTV put big name K-pop idols that I listed above in a leading role for some of their dramas, that may have save them from their doom.
  • @anon "One thing I can be certain about is, they are NOT trying to be like South Korea, Japan, or Taiwan to have their brand exported to latin america, and beyond because, simply, TVB doesn’t care about these markets, despite whether you agree or not." Well I guess TVB doesn't want to have their celebrities becoming household name in Latin America like their Korean counterpart have gotten (ie: Ahn Jae Wook, Kwon Sang-Woo, Jan Dong Gun, Choi Ji Woo, and Yoon Sang Hyun have all become household name in Latin America). Even Kim Hyun Joong was nicknamed by Korean and international fan "the prince of Latin America" because of his huge popularity in Latin America. Roy Chiu/Qiu also become the first Taiwanese actor to somewhat win a lot of female fans in Latin America all because 2 of his drama was shown in that area: http://latinmediacorp.net/en/interesting-ratings/ and TVB doesn't want to cash in on this. ""“what was the point of putting TVB dramas on those 2 popular streaming sites?” As for why their productions are available on these platforms. Your answer is just as good as mine." Well you said it yourself, TVB doesn't care about the market outside of Asia. If they didn't care about the US market at all, then why put their dramas on DF and Viki? Other then that, not a lot of people on DF and Viki are watching TVB dramas, and I can't explain why despite DF has been giving TVB some publicity when they first pick up their drama: http://www.dramafever.com/news/heres-why-hong-kongs-tvb-is-much-more-than-just-a-television-network-in-asia/
  • @coralie Not it's not on the decline, I think you may want to read this: Last year, South Korea was the 10th largest music market: https://twitter.com/Jeff__Benjamin/status/453394477911392256 This year it was reported that South Korea music market has become #8: https://twitter.com/Jeff__Benjamin/status/590399768200884224
  • @funnlim "I don’t think TVB needs Latin America or even Middle East since the contents are not catered for these two continents. Don;t worry abt TVB. They’re doing ok." Why not? Taiwanese dramas was able to get popular in Latin America. I don't see why TVB dramas could do the same? If you think TVB don't need the global market, then what was the point of Dramafever and Viki getting TVB drama?
  • @anon Let me ask you one more question: If you think TVB didn't needed the global market, then what was the point of TVB putting their dramas on Dramafever and Viki? You said it yourself, TVB don't care about the global audiences, then what was the point of putting TVB dramas on those 2 popular streaming sites?
  • @anon "TVB only cares about China, a market of 1.3 billion persons, that market ALONE is suffice for their success." South Korea and Taiwan take the Chinese market seriously, and yet they still treat the Latin America and the Middle East market the same. I don't see why TVB should try that. Don't you want your famous TVB actors/actresses to become a household name just like some of the Korean and Taiwanese actors are getting in Latin America? "There are many risks and rewards where they need to consider. I, for one, don’t believe TVB will EVER improve unless there is a need (need meaning competition, weak ratings, governmental pressure, etc.)" South Korea and Taiwan went through this same crap and it paid off and now both of them are popping up on the global radar. Hong Kong pop culture for the last few years has become less significant, although you may not agreed with me. I talked to other fans of Hong Kong dramas and film and they agreed with me, they want to see HK being more competitive as Korea and Taiwan when it comes to the TV dramas for the global market. "TVB has never been known for satisfying the audience, and that won’t change now. Keep wishing!" Well they'll need to at some point because it's been acknowledged that South Korea has already "out-cool" Japan and Hong Kong thanks to their K-dramas and K-pop: http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/how-korea-became-the-worlds-coolest-brand http://www.korea.net/NewsFocus/Culture/view?articleId=121047 Now because South Korea did something that Hong Kong (and Japan) was never able to do, other Asian countries are trying to replicate Korea's success. That's what Taiwan is doing, that's why Taiwanese dramas has been getting picked up on DF and Viki and being dub in Spanish for Latin America. Other Asian countries like Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines, and Indonesia have also share desire to create similar pop cultural wave like South Korea did and Taiwan is trying to do and yet TVB doesn't want to create a HK wave to rival their Korean and Taiwanese counterpart. Even if you don't care if TVB don't take the international market seriously, there's going to be fans of HK pop culture outside of Asia that are going to be jealous of Korean actors/actresses are getting all the global spotlight and they're going to be jealous that Korean and Taiwanese dramas are getting all the popularity and all the attention.
  • This is very nice and all, and I welcome this with a big heart and hand. But beside "global movies" why not also make "global Asian TV dramas" for a global audiences. I mean we've seen Korean dramas have gained huge popularity around the world, and Taiwanese dramas are following their Korean counterpart success in other part of the world outside of Asia. Korean dramas and Taiwanese dramas have gained huge popularity in Latin America. K-dramas have also gained a huge following in the Middle East. When will TVB take these 2 markets seriously? You should also focus on making TV dramas that can rival and can hold candle to their Korean counterpart. TVB needs to also worked on their marketing because ever since TVB dramas appeared on Dramafever and Viki, not a lot of drama fans are watching them. They need to also take Latin American and Middle East market seriously. I agreed with Andrew Lau with this statement: "The Hong Kong film industry really needs new talents. We need more architects, lighting technicians, makeup artists, costume artists. The Hong Kong film industry has been on a downhill trip these past few years because we are short on people. If the new headquarters will be stationed at Hong Kong, that can convince investors and other directors to return to Hong Kong to do more local movies.” He's right and I remember Hong Kong doesn't have any young successors at all: http://www.jaynestars.com/movies/lack-of-successors-shift-to-mainland-chinese-market-to-blame-for-decline-of-hong-kong-movie-industry/ You guys in Hong Kong need bright, young upcoming actors/actresses to get global fanbases and also not to piss off their fanbases in Hong Kong. Right now, I don't see Hong Kong having anyone that can match with Kim Soo-Hyun, Lee Min-Ho. Park Shin Hye, Kim Tae Hee, Joo Won, Seo In guk, Lee Seung Gi, Ha Ji won, Kim Woo-Bin, Jun Ji-Hyun, Kim Sae-Ron, Kim Nam Gil, Lee Joon Gi, Ji Chang Wook, Kwon Sang Woo, Park Bo Young, Song Joong Ki, and the list goes on. I don't know who in Hong Kong could replicate the same idol actors/actresses like Suzy of Miss A, Yoona of Girls Generation, Eunji of Apink, Uee of After School, SISTAR's Dasom, Krystal of f(x), Siwon of Super Junior, Jaejoong and Yoochun of JYJ, etc... It's nice Hollywood is lending a hand. But seeing Korean pop culture has become more mainstream globally, why don't you have Korean entertainment companies help with this venture. It might attract fans of K-pop and K-dramas to watch TVB dramas. Right now, TVB dramas on Dramafever and Viki aren't get a lot of audiences despite marketing from DF and Viki, dramas from TVB are barely watched online. So maybe TVB should worked with South Korea, DF, and Viki to get more international audiences outside of Asia to watch TVB dramas. TVB shouldn't ignore the Latin American and the Middle East also, because those are area where TVB dramas could gain more fanbases beyond Asia and beyond Asian demographics.
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