• @llwy12 Agreed, I hope she leaves too if she doesn't want to be acting in the first place. Better for everyone... probably for her relationship too, since they don't need to be awkward over Grace's acting (I'm just assuming here, but it sounds awkward to me with Kevin having "expectations" for her acting, and her not being comfortable enough for him to watch the drama).
  • I understand not being able to face criticism from audiences as sometimes people can be cruel. However, not being able to take criticism from your boyfriend, who happens to be experienced AND probably means well/wants the best for you, is, in my opinion, kind of sad. No wonder there is such slow progress then, if her own opinion, or positive opinions, are all that she wants to hear.
  • @coralie YES, THANK YOU! I actually don't mind the drama generally, but they handled Grace's character and the whole concept around her Westernized character very poorly. A lot of her knowledge, actions, and "rights" seem more of a 21st century/modern times thing than a Western vs. Eastern culture thing. Like you said, it's super unrealistic to pretend that women and men were equal back then, even in the West. The story also acts like the "capital city" that they talk about has also achieved gender equality... there is barely gender equality in many parts of Asia now, let alone then! As @jjwong mentioned above, someone as "educated" as they are trying to pretend Grace is, would not keep trying to butt heads with everyone there. She also doesn't seem to understand that tradition is very difficult to change overnight, and she is actually as shockingly stubborn and insensitive as Lau Kong is with her rubbing her knowledge in everyone's faces and refusing to pay "respect" while expecting everyone to accept her. The concept of her character is more irritating than anything.
  • I also personally find Grace Chan to be an attention seeker. Definitely not a fan. On a semi-related note, I wonder if she is really "acting" in The Forgotten Valley, or if the role is just like the kind of person she is. I find her role to be very similar to my perception of her (which could be wrong, since I don't know her personally). I read on some forums that netizens think her acting has improved, but I personally think she just looks like she's improved because the role is completely tailored to her (even the Chinese name of her character sounds like "Grace"!!). It doesn't help because I really, really dislike her character - I can't stand her going around denouncing everyone in the valley, while being judgemental and disrespectful as well. I don't agree with the old-school way of thinking from the villagers either, but she is literally complaining about her in-laws disliking her while not even serving Chinese tea or Chinese breakfast to please them, and can't even go along with the harmless customs to show respect (what's so hard serving Chinese tea instead of "Western" tea???).
  • Here are my (long) thoughts on the awards. Best Actor - I'm a Vincent fan, so I'm definitely happy that he won. I think the audience is very split between him and Kenneth (although Kenneth probably has more support). It's unfortunate that Vincent's win might put him on the "bad side" of a lot of people since they feel like Kenneth should have won, but in my opinion, Vincent definitely earned + deserved it. I would have been fine with Kenneth winning too though. Best Actress - Shock. 1) Natalie Tong was obviously the supporting actress, 2) the only thing I remember about Cherry is that she dated + dumped Saving, which actually just showcased Vincent's acting and not hers, 3) her ON-SCREEN COUPLE with Vincent was a hit topic but not her character, and 4) her acting is not better than Elena & Kristal, who didn't even get into top 5, Jessica, Nina or even Ali. Every year we get Best Actors and Actresses who are flamed or being "undeserving" of their awards, but that's usually due to a stronger contender being snubbed... this time we ACTUALLY have an undeserving BA. Just unbelievable. Favorite Male Character - No real opinion besides that I agree wholeheartedly with this decision. Favorite Female Character - I like Sisley Choi and think her character was quite memorable this year, but sigh because a lot of people still haven't been converted over so TVB is ruining her life again but giving her such a huge award when there are other females with just as memorable characters and she is still in the process of gaining acceptance form her viewers. Poor Sisley. I don't disagree with her getting the award, but pity the potential aftermath she will have to face. I know I've said this before, but her performance this year should have earned her the Most Improved Female Artiste award instead. It would have kept her in the positive books and deservingly rewarded her for her improvement. Best Supporting Actor - Joel wasn't my personal pick, but his win is not surprising for me. Best Supporting Actress - Shock again. Like Natalie Tong, it's insane to think Rebecca Zhu was even on the top 5 list let alone the winner. I actually quite like Rebecca and think her acting is quite good (she's hindered by language more than acting skill imo), but she definitely wasn't BSA material with Mandy Lam and Elaine Yiu in the running. Even Tracy Chu's Yanice was more memorable than her character. Most Improved Male Artiste - Mat Yeung wasn't special this year. I think he did better last year. Other people should have received it, in my opinion. Most Improved Female Artiste - I don't really pay attention to Mayanne Mak's works so have no opinion. Best Drama - I mean... at least it wasn't HOG3 or LW2. My Ages Apart is actually really fresh and creative, and at least TEM was still awarded some form of Best Drama award (albeit it not being the main one).
  • They released the other nominees, and I'm rather neutral about all of the categories except Most Improved Female Actress. I don't think any of the ladies in that category have improved nearly as much as Moon, Sisley, and Tracy, all of whom have been snubbed for the last several years for that award (I am aware though, that Tracy wouldn't deserve it for this year; but I think she should have gotten in a few years back). I said this somewhere already, but Moon deserved it last year, and I would have rooted for Ali getting it this year... but now Moon isn't even a nominee. The one I like the most on that list is probably Rebecca Zhu.
  • @kaykay Re: Priscilla being the same in every drama she's ever been in -- yes!! Even her clothes are the same baggy pastel coloured clothes!! Also agree with you about enjoying Vincent and Eliza's relationship. I'm looking forward to seeing how they will develop since that's the only real thing to look forward to... Sharon and Michael's affair makes me VERY uncomfortable.
  • The series is definitely stupid, but I'm still watching it mainly because I really do love the cast. I love the older generation (especially Michelle Yim!!, and Bosco, Vincent, Eliza, Sharon, Michael. Those random moments where they suddenly stop eating dinner to play musical chairs is definitely cringey and I am embarrassed for the person who came up with that idea. I'm also liking Lee Kwok Lun's role as Alan, rather than his usual scheming typecasted characters. The actors/characters I must say I'm not a fan of in the drama are Lee Shing Cheong, Susanna Kwan, and Priscilla Wong. Lee Shing Cheong and Susanna are both just a matter of typecasted roles... they literally play the same character for every drama and they are both so loud and ridiculous that I honestly find them very annoying. The only redeeming parts is they seemed to have toned down the ridiculousness this drama (although Jacquelin Chn'g is doing a splendid job helpnig them with it.. ha.). Louis Yuen is also on that boat. Priscilla is just ... her acting isn't AWFUL but I've finally found what my problem with her acting is. She plays herself in every drama that she's in. There is practically no difference between her role as Sonia vs. her role as Cheng Suk Mui vs. her role in Swipe Tap Love / that Madam Cutie drama / that wedding drama with Tony. Even her evil role in the drama with Edwin/Bosco was the same, at least towards the beginning... she just suddenly became very evil for like one scene. She is always the chill, happy-go-lucky, everyone-loves-her girl-next-door girl...
  • Not on the list, but was thinking about Most Improved, and hope that MI Female Actress goes to Sisley or Moon. Moon actually deserved it last year, in my opinion, and Ali would have been better off getting it this year. I'm surprised Sisley was never nominated for Most Improved (and doesn't seem she will be this year either), but if you want to talk about improvement in terms of amount of improvement, Sisley beats out ALL of her competition. Moon and Ali already had potential, but Sisley started off pretty terribly and now she's gotten SO much better (whether her acting is considered "good" will vary depending on who you ask).
  • @piggygrace Yeah, come to think of it, Wong Hoi Ching was more a leading character than Jacqueline Wong's Mani. I mean, I doubt Jacqueline Wong will even be top 5 let alone win it, so I suppose it's not a huge deal... but she did win BSA over Elaine Yiu, so I'm just shocked people remember her role at all (because I sure didn't haha).
  • @lewismcchan Oh wow I didn't notice this. I suppose she technically still was a supporting actress though, and it still makes more sense than Jacqueline who is actually NOT the leading actress of that drama... but yeah she had like two episodes of screen time only, so it is odd. Probably had too many nominee spots and not enough supporting actresses to fill the spots.
  • @kolo "Variety in roles doesnt mean he has performed well in all those roles he did" Actually that line describes Kenneth more than Vincent, in my opinion. I actually am a big fan of Kenneth, but he has had his fair share of bad roles - especially the ones where he's whiny or annoying. I can only think of 2 or 3 where I thought he really did a stellar job (On Call 36 being one of them - agreed he should have won that year). Vincent has actually been delivering every single series since becoming lead. You can argue he has less variety, but he's been the shining point of all of them. I also don't personally believe that previous roles and number of years in TVB should factor into whether someone wins BA... it's awarded yearly so what should be taken into account that year are their roles that year, not the number of years they've been in TVB. Imo, it makes an award meaningless if less deserving people can receive it just because of "seniority". Personally, I'm rooting for either Vincent or Kenneth. I liked Vincent's performance a bit more, but I still enjoyed Kenneth's role in TEM and would be happy to see him win. This is definitely a role he deserves to win for.
  • This is the only drama I've watched with Bobby in it where Bobby doesn't steal the show; actually I find his "complaining" quite tiresome at times. For me, Moses steals the show; his reactions are SO FUNNY yet so consistent. I also find Ali very funny, and Louis has always been a good actor. I also quite like the performances from the younger bunch, like Anjaylia, Louisa, and Dickson.
  • How did Jacqueline Wong get nominated for Best Actress for Provocateurs...? I was already finding her BSA win in Singapore very suspicious (and frankly, undeserved).. and now she is getting a BA nomination for a role that was neither outstanding/interesting, nor actually "leading". Even Roxanne Tong outshone her in Provocateurs. Even more strangely, Fred Cheng got a Supporting nomination for the same drama. Gallen is obviously the main lead, but surely Fred is considered a lead if Jacqueline is...
  • @dandan Agreed, And I find Housewife Club annoying too (maybe because I follow a few of them on instagram). The four of them make their friendship seem like it is all for attention e.g. doing a photoshoot for their "1 year anniversary", requesting fan art of their housewife club, posting identical captions etc.
  • @diana80 Agree with you. I find the Nonsense Club members rather boring, and it's not like I ever get particularly excited about seeing any of them in dramas... And I'm not doubting their friendship but seems like they spend a lot of time trying to show off/flaunt their friendship to others. I would love to see a drama with 5 flowers together again. They were my favorite group.
  • @jimmyszeto Agree with everything you said. I hope Vincent wins, he totally deserves it (although I've seen some people say he didn't deserve it and Ruco should have won in Singapore for a fourth year in a row instead... what???). Low chance for both Ali and Jacqueline though.
  • @jimmyszeto I agree.. everyone's going nuts about Ali but Jacqueline winning supporting is even more questionable. Her acting was not great, and her character was not memorable... this one is definitely the weirdest of all (ok, maybe on par with Samantha Ko winning Most Improved... what....) Side note - I also sometimes think of the Supporting awards to be more "prestigious" than the Lead awards because TVB has SO many supporting actors/actresses and most of them are amazing are only ever going to win in that category - that's like the BA category for the people who are not as favorable or popular!
  • I'm neither supportive nor opposed to Ali winning it. I quite like Ali, but can see why she's not quite ready for TV Queen.. still lacking a bit of emotion. I have rooted her since her "mistress role" days though and was quite impressed when she actually broke out and became lead! On a different note, I find it so strange that HK viewers and tabloids and whatnot want their TV Kings/Queens having x number of years of experience under their belts. I've seen several comment sections where people are denouncing Ali because she got most improved last year, and now she's best actress. Like I said, I can see why she's not particularly ready for the award, but I don't think her being new/not new has anything to do with it. I find that a lot of veterans are often much more supported over the young actors/actresses. Sure, veteran means they likely will put on a better performance, but why can't a newbie win BA if they're good? Many movie award shows, TV award shows etc. give high accolades to people with a variety of acting experience. Their resume shouldn't overshadow the work they are currently putting out. I find it unfair when people try to justify why Ali doesn't deserve to win based on the number of years she's been in TVB. Who cares?!
  • @cassiemissy Going to generalize a bit and attribute it to the patriarchal nature of Eastern world. Many women in Asian countries get torn apart for the smallest of things (e.g. being the victim of sexual assault) while men get away with committing sexual assault. Unfortunately, sexism is very deeply ingrained into Eastern culture, no matter how "progressive" some of the more "modern" Eastern countries like HK and Taiwan think they are.
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