• @melia880 Most artists who work for TVB aren’t the “passionate” type — a lot of them claim they don’t read netizens’ comments while some say they do read but if the comments are negative then they ignore those comments. Regardless though, asking the artists usually doesn’t do much good because if they are under contract to TVB, they are not going to answer truthfully anyway out of fear of retaliation from TVB (we all know how petty TVB is). As a point of reference— with many of TVB’s recent “cost-cutting” actions (laying off 100+ staff, closing down sports/athletic department, shutting down studio 16, etc) and also their shift to Mainland, the reporters did ask various TVB artists for their thoughts and while the specific responses varied, most responses fell into one of the following general categories: 1) they support the company’s actions and trust that they know what they are doing, 2) the company has its processes and since they are only actors, it is not their place to question the company’s policies or decisions, 3) they don’t know the details so can’t comment, 4) it’s unfortunate but it’s the company’s decision, 5) hope that rumor (firing employees, closing studio 16) isn’t true, 6) raising the company’s profile in Mainland is a good thing that will benefit the artists and help them make more money, etc. And then there are those artists who’ve been in the industry long enough to know how to answer in a way that shows sympathy to those affected but stops short of criticizing TVB (for instance - Hacken Lee and Liza Wang’s responses to the sports/athletics department being shut down). Most of the time, the only artists who are going to speak their minds about these issues are those who either don’t work for TVB anymore or they work for TVB but don’t care about possibly burning their bridges with them. **Edit: Oh and the Heart Of Greed example — the cast was just as delusional as the producer in that they were praising the series to the skies and said would support a sequel if there were one (Ha Yu was the one who said he would consider producing a movie version)....though I think later they realized they should’ve toned it down because a few from the cast (I think it was Louis Yuen primarily) later insisted when the HAG stage play was almost finished with its run that the play actually had nothing to do with the series and that it was just a chance for the cast to reunite to do something else together...
  • @llwy12 Haha very true. It's ridiculous how delusional TVB is about their audiences. I'm curious to know what the actors think. I'm sure they see comments from the actual netizens and realise the drama is really a flop (or maybe they don't have time to read comments, who knows), and yet they are "celebrating" the "success" of their drama. I feel like an actor/actress who is very passionate and serious about acting should feel insulted haha.
  • @anoninhk I completely agree with you! I've always been a fan of Steven Ma. His acting in dramas always provide a lot of emotions for me that I think other actors can't quite get across... but when I watched DITROC, I felt something missing from him. Felt like his acting was not as genuine as it used to be. Now that you mention theatre, that might be it!
  • @melia880 Yes, true…but as usual, the key here isn’t what the majority audiences (HK or Mainland) truly think but rather, what TVB “believes” that they think as well as how good TVB is at being able to convince people that they are justified in their decision. Even if only a few audience support DITROC and majority says it sucks, TVB will take that few audience opinion and blow it up to make it look like majority supports it….and if the ratings (or number of hits online in Mainland) are high (as it was for DITROC), that will support their argument as well. Heart and Greed for example – that series was criticized left and right by both HK and Mainland audiences alike and majority opinion is that the series was a waste of time and should never have been made in the first place, yet because the viewership count in Mainland was high (supposedly), delusional TVB touted it as a “successful” series and a few of the mainstream media outlets reported it as such (to the point that the cast actually did a follow up stage play for the series and there are talks of a movie version in the works as well as another possible sequel)....
  • @melia880 yup agreed about alice. I really enjoyed Mandy's portrayal of 3 separate personalities. Her characterizations made the drama entertaining for me. Rightfully deserved if it went to her this year. I started a few episodes of Who Wants A BB, but to be honest, a lot of the struggles of raising a baby discussed in the drama made me nervous & fearful of having kids. So I've been putting it off lol. I have no doubt Ali has done great in it though. She really was robbed of the Best Actress award last year, but seeing that she started not too long ago, there's still many chances for her to win an award.
  • I'm rooting for either Mandy or Ali. Both did a superb job in their respective roles. I would, however, love to see Selena Li receive recognition of some sort as well - perhaps My Favorite Character - because she has always been a solid actress and I really like her. I saw some headlines recently where Selena talked about how she's never received a single award from TVB in all her years, despite receiving awards overseas. Alice is usually a great actress, and Princess Taiping had the potential to be a fantastic role. Except whoever wrote it did an awful job, and Alice's character just became annoying and silly (what an insult to the actual Princess Taiping, haha). She ended up just talking loudly most of the time and looking angry, so, I'm not rooting for her to win this one. Nancy was not great in this drama either.
  • @jimmyszeto Frankly, I don't think even the Mainland audience particularly thinks "Deep in the Realm of Conscience" was a good drama either. I've been following the new Mainland drama "The Story of Yanxi Palace", and most of the comments I've read are talking about it's waaay better than DITROC (mainly because both female leads have similar motivations) and that DITROC is a joke. It's really only TVB who thought that drama was any good.
  • @coralie I actually really like Yanxi as well. I think it's refreshing and not draggy, and I do love the female lead. I read on some comments of people comparing this drama with DITROC because of the "finding sister" gimmick, but I must say it's sooo much easier to root for this female lead over Annie Liu's character. All Annie's character ever did was flashback to the same 2 scenes with her sister every single episode while not doing a single thing... and getting rescued the other half of the time. This character is witty and as you said, consistent, which makes her much more likeable. Also Charmaine is great, and so are the empress, emperor, and the empress' brother. I heard that Yu Zheng is only producing for this drama, but is not the screenwriter nor director, so hopefully that means the drama will continue to be great.
  • @melia880 I share the same thoughts about DITROC in regards to the cheesiness factor. I found every aspect of the series to be cringe-worthy and OTT (from the costumes/makeup, to the acting, to the plot). It was borderline satirical. Absolutely zero depth or originality. I really couldn't connect or sympathize with any of the female characters. (maybe with exception of Lady Cheung) That said, I had initially intended on skipping Succession War, but may change my mind now due to your review.
  • @diana80 Agree that Succession War is decent, and will say I think it's significantly better than Deep in the Realm of Conscience. DITROC was a joke to me... 95% of the plot was delivered through 1 on 1 talking. There was barely any acting except standing in some palace chamber or garden with another person either 1) throwing insults or 2) making endless vows of love. The "schemes" were too deliberate and honestly gave me the vibe that Tai Ping had a daily routine of getting up every morning, stretching, and brainstorming a grand entrance to try and ruin the emperor. And yes, Nancy's overreaction was very silly... one empress in a harem of one consort... the whole plot was extremely modernized that it made everyone seem very foolish. On the contrary, I enjoy the creativity put into Succession War. It's a bit "boring" because issues are presented so seriously and the dialogue is heavier, but the acting is overall better and the plot is less cheesy. I like the storytelling method with the flashbacks and the 1 episode = 1 day concept.
  • @kaykay Couldn't agree more with your points. To add onto the stuff about the female cast, what a disappointment that everyone was just brushed over as a "love interest". What a waste of talents like Mandy Wong. She wasn't even given a proper "ending"... she just disappeared off the drama randomly after Eddie Cheung's shooting. Heck, they didn't even show their wedding. Jeana was definitely interesting and I liked her role. I also liked Venus, but they made her role rather repetitive. Grace and Ron was the most confusing couple EVER. Ron showed absolutely no signs of interest in Grace to begin with, so I wasn't sure why Grace's character was so butthurt by Ron. He continued to show no interest, and called her out to reject her, and after she says a few things, he suddenly asks her to marry him?? And she says YES?? Do people really just get into marriages with people they barely know, and have not even officially dated yet?
  • @llwy12 Agreed, I hope she leaves too if she doesn't want to be acting in the first place. Better for everyone... probably for her relationship too, since they don't need to be awkward over Grace's acting (I'm just assuming here, but it sounds awkward to me with Kevin having "expectations" for her acting, and her not being comfortable enough for him to watch the drama).
  • I understand not being able to face criticism from audiences as sometimes people can be cruel. However, not being able to take criticism from your boyfriend, who happens to be experienced AND probably means well/wants the best for you, is, in my opinion, kind of sad. No wonder there is such slow progress then, if her own opinion, or positive opinions, are all that she wants to hear.
  • @coralie YES, THANK YOU! I actually don't mind the drama generally, but they handled Grace's character and the whole concept around her Westernized character very poorly. A lot of her knowledge, actions, and "rights" seem more of a 21st century/modern times thing than a Western vs. Eastern culture thing. Like you said, it's super unrealistic to pretend that women and men were equal back then, even in the West. The story also acts like the "capital city" that they talk about has also achieved gender equality... there is barely gender equality in many parts of Asia now, let alone then! As @jjwong mentioned above, someone as "educated" as they are trying to pretend Grace is, would not keep trying to butt heads with everyone there. She also doesn't seem to understand that tradition is very difficult to change overnight, and she is actually as shockingly stubborn and insensitive as Lau Kong is with her rubbing her knowledge in everyone's faces and refusing to pay "respect" while expecting everyone to accept her. The concept of her character is more irritating than anything.
  • I also personally find Grace Chan to be an attention seeker. Definitely not a fan. On a semi-related note, I wonder if she is really "acting" in The Forgotten Valley, or if the role is just like the kind of person she is. I find her role to be very similar to my perception of her (which could be wrong, since I don't know her personally). I read on some forums that netizens think her acting has improved, but I personally think she just looks like she's improved because the role is completely tailored to her (even the Chinese name of her character sounds like "Grace"!!). It doesn't help because I really, really dislike her character - I can't stand her going around denouncing everyone in the valley, while being judgemental and disrespectful as well. I don't agree with the old-school way of thinking from the villagers either, but she is literally complaining about her in-laws disliking her while not even serving Chinese tea or Chinese breakfast to please them, and can't even go along with the harmless customs to show respect (what's so hard serving Chinese tea instead of "Western" tea???).
  • Here are my (long) thoughts on the awards. Best Actor - I'm a Vincent fan, so I'm definitely happy that he won. I think the audience is very split between him and Kenneth (although Kenneth probably has more support). It's unfortunate that Vincent's win might put him on the "bad side" of a lot of people since they feel like Kenneth should have won, but in my opinion, Vincent definitely earned + deserved it. I would have been fine with Kenneth winning too though. Best Actress - Shock. 1) Natalie Tong was obviously the supporting actress, 2) the only thing I remember about Cherry is that she dated + dumped Saving, which actually just showcased Vincent's acting and not hers, 3) her ON-SCREEN COUPLE with Vincent was a hit topic but not her character, and 4) her acting is not better than Elena & Kristal, who didn't even get into top 5, Jessica, Nina or even Ali. Every year we get Best Actors and Actresses who are flamed or being "undeserving" of their awards, but that's usually due to a stronger contender being snubbed... this time we ACTUALLY have an undeserving BA. Just unbelievable. Favorite Male Character - No real opinion besides that I agree wholeheartedly with this decision. Favorite Female Character - I like Sisley Choi and think her character was quite memorable this year, but sigh because a lot of people still haven't been converted over so TVB is ruining her life again but giving her such a huge award when there are other females with just as memorable characters and she is still in the process of gaining acceptance form her viewers. Poor Sisley. I don't disagree with her getting the award, but pity the potential aftermath she will have to face. I know I've said this before, but her performance this year should have earned her the Most Improved Female Artiste award instead. It would have kept her in the positive books and deservingly rewarded her for her improvement. Best Supporting Actor - Joel wasn't my personal pick, but his win is not surprising for me. Best Supporting Actress - Shock again. Like Natalie Tong, it's insane to think Rebecca Zhu was even on the top 5 list let alone the winner. I actually quite like Rebecca and think her acting is quite good (she's hindered by language more than acting skill imo), but she definitely wasn't BSA material with Mandy Lam and Elaine Yiu in the running. Even Tracy Chu's Yanice was more memorable than her character. Most Improved Male Artiste - Mat Yeung wasn't special this year. I think he did better last year. Other people should have received it, in my opinion. Most Improved Female Artiste - I don't really pay attention to Mayanne Mak's works so have no opinion. Best Drama - I mean... at least it wasn't HOG3 or LW2. My Ages Apart is actually really fresh and creative, and at least TEM was still awarded some form of Best Drama award (albeit it not being the main one).
  • They released the other nominees, and I'm rather neutral about all of the categories except Most Improved Female Actress. I don't think any of the ladies in that category have improved nearly as much as Moon, Sisley, and Tracy, all of whom have been snubbed for the last several years for that award (I am aware though, that Tracy wouldn't deserve it for this year; but I think she should have gotten in a few years back). I said this somewhere already, but Moon deserved it last year, and I would have rooted for Ali getting it this year... but now Moon isn't even a nominee. The one I like the most on that list is probably Rebecca Zhu.
  • @kaykay Re: Priscilla being the same in every drama she's ever been in -- yes!! Even her clothes are the same baggy pastel coloured clothes!! Also agree with you about enjoying Vincent and Eliza's relationship. I'm looking forward to seeing how they will develop since that's the only real thing to look forward to... Sharon and Michael's affair makes me VERY uncomfortable.
  • The series is definitely stupid, but I'm still watching it mainly because I really do love the cast. I love the older generation (especially Michelle Yim!!, and Bosco, Vincent, Eliza, Sharon, Michael. Those random moments where they suddenly stop eating dinner to play musical chairs is definitely cringey and I am embarrassed for the person who came up with that idea. I'm also liking Lee Kwok Lun's role as Alan, rather than his usual scheming typecasted characters. The actors/characters I must say I'm not a fan of in the drama are Lee Shing Cheong, Susanna Kwan, and Priscilla Wong. Lee Shing Cheong and Susanna are both just a matter of typecasted roles... they literally play the same character for every drama and they are both so loud and ridiculous that I honestly find them very annoying. The only redeeming parts is they seemed to have toned down the ridiculousness this drama (although Jacquelin Chn'g is doing a splendid job helpnig them with it.. ha.). Louis Yuen is also on that boat. Priscilla is just ... her acting isn't AWFUL but I've finally found what my problem with her acting is. She plays herself in every drama that she's in. There is practically no difference between her role as Sonia vs. her role as Cheng Suk Mui vs. her role in Swipe Tap Love / that Madam Cutie drama / that wedding drama with Tony. Even her evil role in the drama with Edwin/Bosco was the same, at least towards the beginning... she just suddenly became very evil for like one scene. She is always the chill, happy-go-lucky, everyone-loves-her girl-next-door girl...
  • Not on the list, but was thinking about Most Improved, and hope that MI Female Actress goes to Sisley or Moon. Moon actually deserved it last year, in my opinion, and Ali would have been better off getting it this year. I'm surprised Sisley was never nominated for Most Improved (and doesn't seem she will be this year either), but if you want to talk about improvement in terms of amount of improvement, Sisley beats out ALL of her competition. Moon and Ali already had potential, but Sisley started off pretty terribly and now she's gotten SO much better (whether her acting is considered "good" will vary depending on who you ask).
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