• @peanutbutterjelly I'm in agreement with you. Perhaps she felt fine initially, but her symptoms began to surface after she showed up to work, who knows. Honestly, if I were her costars, I would simply shrug it off. Is it unfair? Absolutely, but hey, that's life. It happens... it's not that serious unless it were to become habitual. But as far as we know, it seems like an isolated incident, which makes it rather harsh and petty (as you said) to label her unprofessional based on this ONE "bad call".
  • @littlefish - I think we all agree to an extent that it's not professional of AB to ask for special treatment. @peanutbutterjelly - it's about the spirit of her professionalism. it doesn't impact anyone, but it's not fair to anyone else. that's the main point of contention.
  • @littlefish The more you go on, the more you show your lack of common sense, comprehension and maturity. You chose to close the discussion because you and @peanutbutterjelly would not each other's point of view, according to you. Don't you think I fail to see your POV, as you fail to see mine?. I am just a waste of time that likes to insult people? Coming from a waste of breath like you, I take that as a compliment. Thank you. Now go play with your toys, or yourself, kid.
  • @peanutbutterjelly @littlefish I can see where the way I worded it might have caused confusion. The point I was trying to get at is that it’s better to pull out if you’re feeling ill and not participate at all rather than participate half-heartedly and expect people to give you preferential treatment. I bring up the Bowie example mostly to show why it makes sense the way Angelababy dealt with her situation made people angry (just to clarify, in Bowie’s situation, she never said that she felt unwell or sick at the time she was participating in those games – the whole menstruating thing wasn’t even brought up until later when people found out she had been in the hospital and were trying to understand what happened). No one is saying that people should deliberately put their health at risk for a job – that is indeed silly and stupid….what I AM saying is that someone expecting to get preferential treatment just because they decided to still go into work while they were ill (which is essentially what ABB did) IS unprofessional. If someone is ill enough to feel like they should be given a pass at work, then why even go into work in the first place? Maybe this is a better example: I’m in a management position at my company and always tell my staff that if they are not feeling well, they should take a sick day to rest and get better rather than force themselves to come to work and only be half as productive as they normally would be if they weren’t ill – the “unprofessional” part is when the staff insists on still coming in to work while sick and then expects me to give them a lighter load because they don’t feel well (which of course is unfair to other staff)….in that scenario, I tell them to go home because I’m not going to give them preferential treatment at the expense of other staff just because they chose to still come in to work. On the other side of the coin, there are those staff who still come in to work even though they are not feeling well and do the same amount of work as they usually would without any thought of being treated differently (in fact, it doesn’t even occur to them that they should be treated differently because to them, they are doing what they normally do). Looking at it from this perspective, I think we can sum up ABB’s situation this way: she had the option of “calling out sick” and that’s what she technically should have done if she didn’t feel well…however she choose to still go in to work, which is fine, but she would’ve been expected to still perform at 100%....instead she performs at 50% and when called out on it, the excuse is she was “not feeling well” and that affected her performance….well duh – that’s why she should’ve “called out sick” in the first place!
  • @peanutbutterjelly your example is great, however, if I get pay to do PE just as my friend but they get to do less yet pay the same when they can just take a day off, Uhm???? Again, fairness issue, to me that’s still an inconvenience (in a different sense). Anyway, moving on, no point on keep arguing :)
  • @peanutbutterjelly I think you got the wrong impression there, no one promoting destroying their own health to be professional. If Bowie knows the water is contaminated, she would pull out. Pulling yourself out instead of getting special treatment is just as professional as going through the event with your handicap without special treatment. And AB didn’t do either. What happen to Bowie was unfortunate, but the way she handled it was a lot better than AB.
  • @littlefish I literally said that the wording 'made it sound like' it is unprofessional. And the statement definitely does read that way, or at the very least made Bowie sound admirable for her suffering and 'pulling through'. Which I personally think is the wrong way to go about this. 'Yeah she wound up with an infected pelvic and having to go under surgery but wow NO special treatment! Bravo!' Sorry I can't get behind this terrible mentality where someone would put so-called professionalism above their health like that. It's stupid. If she were my daughter I'd scold her.
  • @coralie I hear where you're coming from but in this case I would think that her not filming (even though she absolutely has the right to due to the circumstances) would cause more of an inconvenience, no? I can also already imagine the headlines: 'Diva Angelababy refuses to work and uses lady business as excuse' (or something like that). If someone doesn't show up to work, the work still needs to be done and usually by someone else. I don't watch the show but if it's a variety I'd imagine they'd need someone else to fill her place or rearrange some stuff at least. I agree about the BBC bit by the way but that wasn't the focus of my comments. @littlefish "How do you know she is not convenient anyone? To accommodate her, they cut her some slack, is that not inconvenient other?" No? If you were in high school and your classmate got her period so she didn't have to participate in P.E. does that inconvenience you in any way? You'd still have to participate yourself whether your classmate shows up or not. As far as I can tell from the article, she just didn't get soaked as much in cold water as the other cast members. The cast members are getting soaked anyway whether she's being accomodated or not. It's not like she's going out of her way to request to be put in a hot tub or anything so, again, how is she inconveniencing anyone from what we can read in the article? Okay, the viewers (who didn't know the circumstances) that first got pissed at her I can get behind. But after this article and still going after her for something like this just screams petty to me.
  • @peanutbutterjelly I don’t think that what llwy12 was saying. You think it’s one or another. Calling sick and get a day off is not being unprofessional, no one said it is. But you constantly think we say it is, or at least you think taking a day off is bad, we don’t. Not gonna bother arguing all day if you don’t see the sides of the argument. You argue A and we argue B, not going anywhere. @llwy12, you spoke the matter how I see it! And wow, poor girl! To be fair though, I don’t think many know getting dunked in water during period is bad, and obviously getting dunked in contaminated water is bad period (with or without period lol). But the fact that she kept it so low profile, and endure all that because she went to work during her period and get NO special treatment speak volumes!
  • @peanutbutterjelly Well, to me, missing 1 episode due to being unwell (if she’s that unwell) is not that bad, many missed out on one episode of their program due to various reasons. If this is a game and you get special treatment, it’s rather unfair, and if you see you could not perform 100%, better off take a leave on the day. Advocate for woman is one thing, using woman’s reason for your slack is another. This is my point of view if you can’t perform 100%, and know you burden people and I’m sure they can get the replacement for me, I would play fair and withdraw for the one week. It is just as professional as people who has period and brace through the work. To me, her unfprofessional is she could take the day/week off from the program, rather than let the preference to happen. And I’m sure the contract doesn’t go “because you have your period and take a day off your filming, you break the contract”, that sort of contract is then dont look at woman’s right and that need to be discuss. And if it’s to film a normal drama, that’s fine, but this is a game, once you are in it, play fair. In your case, all woman Olympic athletes who have period during the competition time should get preferential treatments, too? You may argue running man is just a silly game, not Olympic level, but fair is fair in my book, no game is too big or small, and that’s why I said what I said. @bubbletea 1 - I don’t see you as the 10%, you see yourself as the 10%, you shown in your wordings. 2 - you were disagreeing rather than agreeing, but you keep changing your argument, so whatever.
  • @peanutbutterjelly I understand your analogy, but it's not really applicable. If I were at a job and I'm feeling unwell, I still have to do everything assigned to me and do it well. That's the meaning of professionalism. Of course, if my health issues cause me to be unable to do a duty, asking someone to go light on me for assignments is definitely not professional. I'd just go home and not take the assignment instead. If her colleagues knew that she was on her period and pitied her, that's another story. But it sounded like she asked for it herself. Olympian Fu Yuanhui still gave it her best shot competing against others in spite of her physical exhaustion, as an example. Bowie is another example, though her case sounded weird, as menstruation does not cause internal wounds or anything, so I'm not sure what that had to with her pelvic inflammation. Maybe she was using a pad and the bacteria in the water contaminated that. With that said, I'm not saying to ask celebrities give up their health for the sake of playing a game. That's harsh and ridiculous. We're not even stringent with Hollywood celebs, so I don't expect that from my Asian counterparts. I don't really have an issue with AB in this situation, but I can see why netizens are unhappy with her. Can you say it's professional? Not really. But is it okay to make this request for the sake of her health? Absolutely. My main problem is that BBC made this stupid article about how she's breaking taboos or something. Firstly she ain't the first one. Secondly, it's really not that sensational. They totally overdramatized this. Period is period. I think most Chinese people don't particularly care, unless they're uber traditional or superstitious.
  • @peanutbutterjelly I love and agree with your comment. I am still scratching my head too. My comments were so misunderstood. I am waiting as well for a logical answer.
  • @littlefish Wait, so being on your period yet still filming, albeit with some understanding of her situation, is somehow more 'unprofessional' than breaking her contract? Where is the logic in that?
  • @llwy12 "Bowie was smart enough to know that allowing herself to be dunked in contaminated water during a time when she was most vulnerable wasn’t ideal" She obviously wasn't otherwise she wouldn't have gotten the pelvic infection and needed the surgery, which sounds very scary to be honest. Putting your own health at risk like that for a job is not professionalism in my book but stupidity. I don't think she should be praised for it because I don't condone this kind of culture or mentality. I have a friend living in Japan who overworked himself (long hours, OT) so much he needed to get hospitalised more than once. One can say it's his own choice (and it was) but it's also the Japanese working mentality that shames you for taking one day of sick leave that cultivated this unhealthy behaviour. And I'm afraid that how you worded it the Bowie situation: "she could have pulled out, made an excuse, say she didn’t want to do it because she’s menstruating, half-a** it or whatnot…yet she didn’t do any of that stuff. She participated and played the game the way it was supposed to be played without expecting or asking for preferential treatment" made it sound like if she did any of those things (pulling out, asking for 'preferential treatment' as you call it...) it is unprofessional or unacceptable behaviour even though we have direct proof of the horrifying consequences she needed to deal with for not 'pulling out' or asking for understanding of her situation. If anything, the Bowie-example just proved that AB had the right compromise for doing her job yet still looking out for her well-being. I don't watch the show but to me people getting mad at her for not being in freezing water enough (unless that's the whole point of the show? Is it? I honestly don't know) seems like a very petty overreaction.
  • Participating with some reservations - being called unprofessional. Not participating - being called unprofessional. This woman just can't ever get a break can she? Yes it's her job but man, some people are so harsh? I'm sure there are lots of people who have gone to work unwell before. I certainly have. A lot of women go to work when they are on their period or are pregnant, a lot of people continue working while not being physically fit all the time. Not sick enough to stay at home but also not well enough to not be limited with your workload. She's not even inconveniencing anyone geez cut her some slack. I have a feeling people would be a lot more understanding if it was someone who is more beloved than AB here...
  • @peanutbutterjelly at this time, there's no way to verify if the woman's condition at the time is conducive to a specific type of sperm. but I'm not eliminating the possibility. that's all I'm saying.
  • Don't try this at home folks. Grass is very difficult to digest for humans and will upset our stomachs, it also contains a lot of silica, which is abrasive to human teeth.
  • @coralie The sperm, and only the sperm, determines the sex of the baby. @mangotango The proportion of sperm carrying an X chromosome increases in men above the age of 35. That’s why, statistically speaking, older men are more likely to have daughters.
  • @mangotango The proportion of sperm carrying an X chromosome increases in men above the age of 35. That's why, statistically speaking, older men are more likely to have daughters. @coralie The sperm, and only the sperm, determines the sex of the baby.
  • @nomad822 I think it's inappropriate to question Etta's sexuality, you probably don't mean it as malicious but I just want to add that LGBTQ identities being denied or questioned is very harmful to the individual and community as a whole. I work/volunteer with people struggling in unfortunate circumstances too (mostly youth) but I don't think it's helpful to anyone if I present them with the fallacy of relative privation ('yes your situation is pitiful, but so-and-so has it worse than you and they turned out fine'). I understand what you're trying to say and I have seen people 'rise above' what seems to be the worse of circumstances. However, lots of factors come into play such as support form your personal social network, societal acceptance, financial/emotional stability and -yes- personality. And even so, even when finally getting their life on track, a lot still struggle with psychological issues later on in life if not dealt with properly as trauma from your formative years extends well into adulthood. From another article on Jaynestars, it seems that Elaine herself is a product of emotional abuse growing up (being called a 'worthless h*re' by her mom). It's a vicious cycle. You may think I'm being too harsh towards Elaine but I have seen enough tragedy resulting from well-intentioned-but-incompetent-parents to have hardened my stance on this issue. Good intentions don't make good parents. Caring or loving someone doesn't mean you can't hurt or abuse them. Etta never asked to be born. Elaine choose to be a mom and she doesn't get a medal from me for simply trying to be a good one.
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