Mavis Pan: “My First Date With Raymond Lam Was On His Bed!”

By on April 6, 2011 in NEWS, Scandals, Star Interviews

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Since the outbreak of Raymond Lam Fung’s bed photos with Mavis Pan Shuangshuang, only Raymond came forward sadly to explain that they broke up for two months. Hiding in Beijing to heal her hurt feelings, Mavis finally spoke with Next Magazine, stating that she and Raymond never broke up. Each time she arrived in Hong Kong, she would stay at Raymond’s home, Dynasty Court. Since Raymond and Mavis spent more time apart than together, one would think that they would be unable to contain each other’s passion upon seeing each other. However, Mavis said, “He is often tired after work. We did not always do the deed [have sex]. Many times, we just hugged and slept.”

While dating Raymond , Mavis was very careful. When Raymond suggested they walk outside or eat dinner at a restaurant, Mavis felt it was too risky. To prevent the paparazzi from taking photos of them together, Mavis did not want to go out together. As a result, they often stayed home together. Even their first date was on Raymond’s bed at home.

“We could not go to any public places. Our first date was at Raymond’s house.  We laid on his bed and chatted for the entire evening. Then we hugged and went to sleep. This gave me the feeling that he was not too lewd. I found him to be very good.” From then onwards, Mavis and Raymond  spent their dates at his house.

Mavis noted that Raymond was often tired and they did not always engage in sexual activities. “Although [sex] cannot be absent, a relationship should not be entirely about [sex] either. Sometimes, I will give him a massage. I will not do anything intentional and will just let things happen naturally. I am someone who enjoys the process. While together, most of our time was spent hugging.”

Was Raymond able to satisfy Mavis’ needs in bed?  Mavis said awkwardly, “I’m okay, I truly need to be in the mood. I cannot sleep with someone if there are no feelings. If we are only talking about sex, then what distinguishes us from animals?” (Did you ever think that Raymond pursued you purely for sex?) “No, if it were only for sex, why not get a prostitute!”

Facing a girlfriend with a 36D figure, Raymond often praised her. Mavis recounted, “He would say sweetly to me, ‘Many girls do not have what you possess inside.’ I said, ‘Many people say my breasts were augmented.’ He said, ‘If I know, that’s good enough. It doesn’t matter if they are real or not. Is it necessary to care so much?” (Did Mavis believe that Raymond never had plastic surgery himself?) “I will only believe what I see. What people say about me, I can dismiss it with a laugh. He was right; you only care about the thoughts of the people that are important to you.”

Buying Underwear for Raymond 

While dating, Raymond was the most important person to Mavis. Love was the most important thing for her. Each time she went shopping, Mavis would buy clothes for Raymond, including his underwear. “Women will buy underwear for their boyfriends. No other person would select the underwear with greater care.”

Although dating was between two people, dating Raymond Lam turned out to become an issue that concerned many people. The strongest disapproval came from Raymond’s father and TVB executive manager. Raymond’s father, Mr. Lam, was especially rude towards Mavis. “When I had time, I would visit him. When I went to his house, he would say, ‘You’re here again?’”

In addition, Mr. Lam made Mavis make three promises, otherwise he would disapprove of her dating Raymond.  “Number one, we could not talk on the phone for longer than 15 minutes. Number two, we could only see each other every three months. Number three, we could not be photographed together. Otherwise, everyone would disapprove of Raymond and I dating.”

The most painful experience for Mavis was one night, Raymond returned home very late. He informed his assistant that he had to change his airplane flight to the next day. “Mr. Lam spoke to Raymond in Fujianese, which I did not understand. I asked Raymond, ‘What happened?’ Raymond told me that his father said, ‘Do not let other people drag your hind leg.’ Mr. Lam’s intent was to say that I dragged Raymond’s hind leg, which led to Raymond’s argument with his father. This incident moved me very much.”

Since the outbreak of the bed photos, many of Raymond’s friends and artists supported him, noting that he was betrayed and loved the wrong person. These comments made Mavis realize the coldness in the world. “Especially Charlene Choi’s words…I worked with her in two films. I find her to be a very good person. However, in an interview, I heard her comment that Raymond met the wrong person. I was very hurt…. How can you make judgment about me when you are unclear about the situation. Charlene had her own past experience as well!”

When asked about Mavis, TVB executive, Virginia Lok Yi Ling, said to the press that she did not “judge her incorrectly.” Virginia’s response made Mavis feel very uncomfortable. “Last year in Beijing, I met Ms. Lok. She was very polite and did not appear to dislike me. At the time, Raymond requested that I meet his superior.” Afterwards, Mavis heard that a TVB executive requested Raymond to break up with her, otherwise he will not be granted work. “This relationship was very difficult for me. It was also very difficult for Raymond. A relationship that was not blessed by others will not be joyous. Raymond also put in his efforts in the relationship, but many factors pressured him. I know he faced a lot of pressure all along.”

In addition to pressure from Raymond’s family and his work partners, there was also the emergence of a third party in Mavis and Raymond’s relationship after they dated for one year and two months. However, this incident did not induce Mavis and Raymond to break up. “It happened last year. However, I do not understand what happened. Raymond’s text messages had a flirtatious air, but he denied it. He said it was a misunderstanding.” (Do you know who the woman was?) “Actually…actually…it’s inappropriate to say. At the time, I already forgave him.”

Since the outbreak of intimate photos, Raymond has not contacted Mavis and did not respond to her text messages. However, she stated that the pair never broke up. “He never said the words, ‘break up’ to me. In our text messages, we often called each other ‘hubby’ and ‘wifey.’” When Raymond told reporters that they broke up for two months, Mavis was saddened upon hearing the response. “I was happy he acknowledged our relationship. When he said it was over between us, I was very saddened. I never thought of separating from him. When he said our relationship ended, I was very sad.”

Refusing to Give Diamond Ring

While with her family and friends, Mavis pretended to act strong. When she was alone, she thought back to the sweet times she shared with Raymond. On Valentine’s Day this year, Mavis and Raymond had been dating for one year. When Raymond asked what Mavis wanted, she said she wanted a ring. However, he did not want to give her a ring. “It’s not that he did not want to give it, but a ring held greater significance for him. He said you can only wear it on the wedding day.” Thus, Mavis wished that Raymond would custom-order a gold ring for her. “I was afraid he would think I wanted a diamond ring. I asked him to custom-order a gold ring, with name engraving so that it would be different than other rings. It was not expensive.”

Raymond had promised to reveal their relationship two years from now. Mavis said, “He made many promises, but they were never fulfilled. He said that within one to two years, he would publicly reveal our relationship, followed by marriage.” Whether it was a gold or diamond ring, perhaps Mavis was not destined to wear it anymore.

         

Source: Next Magazine # 1100

Jayne: Mavis only had good things to say about Raymond. I do believe there is some truth to her story. Undoubtedly, she faced disapproval from Raymond’s family and Virginia Lok due to her risque modeling past. Mavis’ account did provide a sliver of what it was like to date a popular celebrity like Raymond Lam, the need to remain anonymous and the backlash from his fans.

However, looking at the revealing photos Mavis shot for Next Magazine, this interview was clearly intended to self-promote herself and her figure as well. What matters more may be fame, rather than clearing her name in all this mess.

173 comments to Mavis Pan: “My First Date With Raymond Lam Was On His Bed!”

  1. jayne says:

    I think Next Magazine should have created a special award for Mavis at their 2011 Awards: “Most Exposed Celebrity of the Year,” as we saw so much of her skin in the last few weeks. Mavis also propelled a lot of recent sales for Next Magazine and she spoke exclusively to them only!

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    • Masaharu replied:

      Next Magazine Awards this year actually has a section where you can submit your suggestion for a special award for upcoming year’s award.

      One of the fans who participated got feedback from Next that her suggestion is accepted. Haha Jayne if Mavis come earlier maybe you cou;d’ve submitted yours too 😛

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    • keeper replied:

      now i want to know who was the third party? was she from TVB or EEG? Raymond’s attention shifts quick. kind of like HXM and FeiEr(has bigger boobs), then Angelababy(has prettier face) came into the picture.

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  2. reader says:

    I don’t believe it 100%, but I guess it must be at least 50% true from this interview. I feel sorry for this girl

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  3. Aly says:

    Definitely this interview was a promotional tactic. It looks like her pictorial more than an interview. She didn’t explain how the pics were leaked in this article, probably to not stir more controversy, but I’m glad that she and Ray, although they have broken up whether officially or unofficially, only had good things to say about one another. She really shouldn’t have said anything about their sex life though. That’s just very private and the whole world does not need to know how often they had sex or if he was too tired to do it. She really doesn’t seem shy at all with sharing this kind of stuff.

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  4. Jayne says:

    Correction in article, Mavis said Raymond was NOT too lewd; will make correction soon.

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  5. ping says:

    This is probably the first time I feel bad for this girl… (I almost had a heart attack at the title! Was like, uh-oh!)

    The translated interview sounds very sincere and heartfelt. Maybe there is some truth…besides the skin exposure (ahem).

    Agree, her past has stained her image in Ray’s parents’ eyes. Sigh.

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    • star replied:

      Or maybe it was a tactic to have audience pity for her?? And it seems like it’s working. Seriously, she shouldnt have mentioned about the sex life….very private stuff.

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    • Melody replied:

      I feel kinda bad for her too. (minus the sexy promo pics)

      As a girl, the feeling of having your bf parents disapprove of you is bad enough, add that to the fact that you cant go on dates openly, frens and co-workers not supportive, whats the point of dating a rich and famous guy like him?

      And if what Ray’s dad said to her was true, he seems to be quite an autocratic person. He may not have liked her dating his son but his son is 31 and to limit his phone calls and meeting frequency? Its so…. speechless.

      After this who hooha, I’m sure most women know dating a guy like him means the whole world eyes are on you.

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  6. ping says:

    I find this cute: we were always hugging.

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  7. Yee says:

    I think she does have some truth in this interview, but she did say a bit too much in this interview. If it were truly a sensible interview, she wouldn’t of provided so much detail…But with the disapproval of parents and Miss Lok, that sounds true, and understandable because of her past. Also, it is about a month later she pulls this incident out again, really shows how needy she is for attention. I don’t blame her for tell her feelings, but she should of done it sooner, like right now Ray’s all like NO comment. So this is totally a self rpomotion tactic to revamp her a a “nice”(I don’t know if she actually is) girl.

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  8. advo says:

    I’m inclined to believe most of her story since it support what I already thought of Ray, that he is generally a good guy. The whole are-we-or-aren’t we broken up thing is definitely a minus, and I consider it rather cowardly of Ray not to make a clear breakup.

    I’m sure she met her fair share of disapproval from the people in his life – but then she takes these pictures of herself? Not particular classy and reeks of famewhoring. She’s probably not as bad as portrayed and Ray is not as good as TVB wants his image to be but I feel he at least has made accomplishments while she mainly just poses in revealing underwear.

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  9. EkinFan says:

    I’m going with the Raymond being gay rumor. Too tired to bang that when you get home and just hugging? Sounds like someone is still in the closet.

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    • samche replied:

      hahaha…you have your point. i didn’t like those skirts that he was wearing in his concert. that was weird also those skin tight pants that you can see his crotch and behind crack in mysteries of love.

      Mavis tells a bit too much info on her private sex life. there’s no need to say too much. seems like shes covering something up. well she should have known that dating a guy like that won’t receive much love. as for ray’s father i would react the same way. eh…S*&^ happens

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    • SDS replied:

      @EkinFan

      Have you considered the possibility he may not be gay but just suffering other defects of a sexual kind? 😛

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      • star replied:

        raymond does seem like a very shy guy around girls, and the fact that he didnt even have a clean breakup with her is like trying to avoid it, or dunno how to “open his mouth” and say it. I don’t even think he even openly asked her out, maybe it is true that his first date with her was on his bed at his house. Probably went something like he kissed her on the lip and than the relationship happened (NOT talking about sex) You know how sometimes guys dont necessaryly have to say wunna go out with me or lets date whatever, they will do the “action” part and hopes for the girl to understand and feel the same way 😛 That’s wht i think anyways

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      • YanYanKong replied:

        Star, I think you’ve been watching too many dramas! LOLs, but I think that’s prob how they started or maybe he reaches his hand over to her hand and yeah…

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    • reader replied:

      haha….when I read this I felt the same. Serious, You can’t too tired when you’re lying next to a hot woman. Men never get tired of this… especially at his age

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      • kay replied:

        I read a report on this and it’s given out that men in their 20s and 40s will have highest demand. In their 30s their demand decrease because they focus on work more than sex. During their 50s, the demand slightly falls until 60s when it jumps but too bad, it’s time when their physical body doesn’t support them.

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  10. iampheng says:

    I will be perfectly honest: I COMPLETELY BELIEVE HER!!! lol It’s because the interview sounds so sincere…and well…true. At least the feelings behind the interview sound true. The feelings she had for Raymond and him for her also sound genuine. Even the circumstances of their dates sound real. O_O

    Then I saw her pictures beneath and I thought…”awww girl…done gone and ruined it all.” But I still believe her though. I thought Raymond’s dad was quite mean to her. However, I’m not terribly surprised 🙁 I felt bad for both of them because of the all around disapproval.

    She poses in revealing photos, but that’s her profession and asset. One can still be a generally nice and sweet natured person behind the photos. Even though she’s kind of over promoting this whole relationship [just bad taste IMHO], but I must admit that Mavis Pan doesn’t seem like a terrible person or even have much of a diva attitude.

    Mavis, please move on, girl!

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    • Kidd replied:

      Haha, her attire does not match the content of the interview. The content was all sweet and poignant and then you look at the photos to sexy and revealing and the feelings are all ruined.

      She should have covered up a bit. I know it’s her asset, but, she should dress for the occasion. No need to look like she’s wearing lingeries in all photos. That non-posing picture of her self-photographing looks good.

      But, I wonder. Are those pictures she poses recently for Next Magazine or Next Magazine took from her old modeling photos?

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      • Masaharu replied:

        I’m beginning to find Mavis is entertaining; fake or not; exposed or not – LOL.

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      • Fox replied:

        I guess they are her old modeling photos because it seems to be a phone call.

        Here she is when not do the ads:
        http://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/9221/9221888dbd2777a5c6d6a30ab05980ce7471dba.jpg

        However, I also believe that Next twisted her words a lot because the story in this one has some differences to the one she said in the interview. Or Mavis forgot to make both consistent. Such as in the interview, she said very clear that they broke up, but in this one, she said “not broke up yet”. BTW, just a grain of salt. Next wants to sell the magazines so they have to change her words to make the storyline more interesting. They really can do that, the “love story” in Next is better than any TVB’s current love stories in series. It has love, sweetest, quarrel, pressure, third party, forgive and after all, break up in tears.

        In the interview or the mag I dun rmb, she also mentioned that she is forced to take these pix by her company, if not she will be frozen.

        Overall, I remain my opinion that they made a good couple but they are ppl of two worlds so they can’t be together. I still think his taste on PSS is good, but the way she sells her love story is too over. I don’t believe it’s coincidence to PSS to do the exclusive interview with Next :P.

        Somehow, I like this comment: “壹周刊” (Next Weekly) should change name to “峯周刊” (Fung Weekly) because there are too much 峯 in Next recently.

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      • Jayne replied:

        @Kidd, the lingerie photos where Mavis’s private parts were revealed were from her early modeling days (before current plastic surgeries to face and boobs).

        I believe she posed especially for Next Magazine in the above black and white bustier. Her face and body seems to reflect current surgeries. I do find her very pretty in these photos, looking like a sultry versiion of Linda Wong Hing Ping, Kevin’s ex girlfriend.

        In a Sohu interview, Mavis said if she has a good body, she doesn’t mind showing this to the world, hence the sexy photos.

        Btw, it’s subtle, but I think Raymond complimented Mavis on how big her boobs were. “Facing a 36d figure girlfriend, Raymond often praised Mavis. ‘He would say sweetly to me, ‘Not many women have what you possess inside.” Then they proceed to discuss that whether Mavis’ boobs being real or not are important or not. “What women possess inside” may have referred to what they have inside her shirt, given the conent of how it appears in the article.

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      • TVB fan replied:

        Kidd, in the photo where she is holding a yellow smartphone, the comment reads that she took photos of herself with every new outfit she changed into during the interview. Thus, unfortunately, she didn’t change much…. she is still provocative and has no plans to change immediately.

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      • Jayne replied:

        @Masaharu, Mavis is captivating because women want to know all about the woman Raymond slept with. Men find her captivating because she is not bashful in covering her figure.

        It is like the women who came forward and said they slept with Tiger Woods, naturally we are curious when someone has a sex story to tell, especially if it is a celebrity.

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      • Kidd replied:

        @ Jayne

        I was not referring to her earlier lingerie photos. Those are for work and I don’t have a problem with them.

        I was just referring to her black and white bustier, her black bustier and the beige dress that looks like nightgown.

        Btw, it’s subtle, but I think Raymond complimented Mavis on how big her boobs were. “Facing a 36d figure girlfriend, Raymond often praised Mavis. ‘He would say sweetly to me, ‘Not many women have what you possess inside.”

        I don’t think it’s subtle at all. When I read the article in chinese, I’ve always thought Ray was compliment her hot body. 😛
        Maybe the ‘Facing a 36d figure girlfriend’ sentence before the compliment gave me this idea.

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      • Jayne replied:

        @Kidd, I think Mavis posed for Next in those bustier, black bra, and beige to go with interview. The makeup and hair looks to be the same despite different outfits, so they were taken on same day. If Next randomly chose pics, we would probably see different makeup, hair, and outfits.

        You are sharper than me in realizing Raymond was complimenting her body.

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      • Kidd replied:

        @ TVB Fan

        Kidd, in the photo where she is holding a yellow smartphone, the comment reads that she took photos of herself with every new outfit she changed into during the interview. Thus, unfortunately, she didn’t change much…. she is still provocative and has no plans to change immediately

        I said that picture looks good because she was wearing another coat other side and not posing sexily. So, that picture looks decent.

        What I mean by ‘non-posing picture’ is she’s not posing for the photographer. This photo was taken by the photographer when she’s unaware (busy self-photographing).

        I don’t find her taking photos of herself a problem. She admitted in the interview that she’s a self-photography fanatic.

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      • TVB fan replied:

        Kidd, I was just answering your question to
        “But, I wonder. Are those pictures she poses recently for Next Magazine or Next Magazine took from her old modeling photos?”

        In short.. these pics are recent… i apologize for not being clear.

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      • Kidd replied:

        @ TVB Fan

        Oic. Thanks for the clarification. 🙂

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  11. Funn Lim says:

    When I read about this, 2 thoughts came to my mind;

    either she is incredibly naive or she is a scheming opportunist. Given her age, and the words she used or rather the tone she used, I would say she is incredibly naive. And the fact that Ray did not break up with her in person (as she claims), then Ray is the manipulative one. The sort of guy who knows what to say, when to say to get whatever he wants.

    And if she thinks there is a future for them to be together, she can kiss that goodbye because she not only criticised his father, she criticised his manager and revealed secrets that no one would know unless you’re sleeping next to him.

    It may sound incredibly sweet, what she said but read deeper and more closely, I think if this is promotional tactic, it will backfire. Whilst Ray should have said nothing to the press, my thoughts is that Mavis if she wanted this relationship or a career in HK or redeem her dignity after what happened (her being accused of leaking the pictures which I believe she did not address that issue here directly? Or how hurt she was when Ray accused her of doing just that?), she should have taken the high road. By explaining, it did not save her dignity because this interview, she revealed too much (for me not enough but the bed habits, dating habits, what father said, etc those are too much for supporters of Ray, Ray and his friends and family) that in the end more criticisms will follow.

    I still find her incredibly naive to think this is a golden opportunity for self promotion because you can’t say he’s sweet, you still care for him etc and doing the opposite by revealing intimate details and also her naiveness would make Ray a very experienced player.

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    • Fox replied:

      I kinda feel poor PSS after this interview. Now she is not only insulted LF fans but also made Ah Sa’s fans mad by this comment: “Especially Charlene Choi’s words…I worked with her in two films. I find her to be a very good person. However, in an interview, I heard her comment that Raymond met the wrong person. I was very hurt…. How can you make judgment about me when you are unclear about the situation. Charlene had her own past experience as well!”

      Uhm, but on the other hand, she is famous now. Before she is nobody, but after this, 40 reporters followed her steps in HK. Lol, I still feel it’s funny how she said LF is not famous in Mainland, not many ppl know him so she didn’t need to gain fame from their relationship.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        Ray is famous in Mainland China, at least more famous than she is.

        But she is right about Charlene; I mean she was quick to make judgment. But again she is incredibly naive. So now she has Ray’s fans, TVB fans, Virginia Lok fans, Charlene fans, unknown 3rd party fans, Ray’s father’s business associates & fans all after her.

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      • Fox replied:

        Ray is famous in Mainland China, at least more famous than she is.

        That’s wat everyone is saying now.

        Maybe she wants to imply that she dun need to gain fame from him but this comment makes his Mainland fans got mad as they think she is insulting them, make them “invisible”. Not smart at all.

        The words that make Ah Sa’s fans got mad is “Charlene had her own past experience as well!”.

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      • Melody replied:

        I actually believed Ray was once serious about the relationship and did love her very much. If he was a player, he wouldn’t go through all the trouble of hiding, arguing with his dad etc..

        However, most men do buckle under pressure and give up on a relationship, since they do know how to handle it, they just run away from it hoping the problem will be solved which equals to what Ray said, they didn’t outright breakup but as adults both parties should understand. Ray, as adults or kids, please make relationship issues clear to a woman or there will be a bigger mess left for you like now.

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    • Jayne replied:

      Funn, I think Mavis may have been willing to go along with the pressure of Raymond’s family, inconvenience of long distance relationship, willingness to stay at his home for fear of discovery etc. She did this because she may have believed all his promises of publicly acknowledging their relationship and even marriage. At one point she was naive, or rather hopeful in their love.

      In February, Valentine’s Day, they were still together. Raymond never asked for official breakup. Something must have happpened to trigger Raymond wanting to end relationship, but never had chance to do so. Unknown third party? Pressure from MS. Lok? Pressure from Ray’s family?

      After the bed photos, the whole world, including Ray himself believe Mavis leaked the photos. I think somewhere along the way, Mavis’ former hope in their love turned to a sense of sadness and betrayal because Ray did not tell her break up, but he told the media. Kidd also pointed out that Mavis wrote on her blog, “llove was like a slow poison which ultimately kills you.”

      This Next article was definitely done on behalf to promote herself. She may also welcome the platform to tell her story, but she is using the situation to advance her fame s well.

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      • Fox replied:

        The Valentine Day is another hole in her story. She deleted her weibo post stated that she was in Beijing on this Valentine Day but his fans are faster, they saved the pix and posted it online to prove that she lied.

        Kidd also pointed out that Mavis wrote on her blog, “llove was like a slow poison which ultimately kills you.”

        No no, she didn’t say that in her weibo but in an interview where she said about her view on love. She also mentioned that she’ll get crazy if her bf leaves her. In her weibo on Jan, she implied something that she was dumped, but she deleted right after the incident.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        Which means Ray was the player. He got what he wanted, maybe he realise she wasn’t worth the trouble. Or he got bored with her. Maybe I will get myself red arrowed by Ray’s die hard fans but I believe she is naive and he used her. Doesn’t make her a bad person, but it makes her a very naive one.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        What I mean is doesn’t make Ray a bad person either but both may have different expectations.

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      • Kidd replied:

        @ Fox

        “he Valentine Day is another hole in her story. She deleted her weibo post stated that she was in Beijing on this Valentine Day but his fans are faster, they saved the pix and posted it online to prove that she lied.”

        Maybe she was again deceiving her manager like she said she did for the Maldive pictures. 😛

        Just giving out another possible explanation.

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      • Jayne replied:

        @Funn, if Ray were a player, why would he put in all that effort of introducing her to his father and Ms. Lok? Why fight with his father over Mavis? Why the effort to sustain it for an entire year? Why give her key acess to his apartment when he can have shorter flings at hotels?

        Ray may have just been as naive in believing in the relationship, but don’t think he was playing only. Women date and usually envision the future together as marriage. Men date because they just want to be together, but not necessarily get married, which does not equate to being a player.

        I think Raymond worked very hard to achieve his current fame and may even been willing to sacrifice love to continue to sustain it.

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      • Fox replied:

        Too bad the Valentine Day post is a pic of her and another artist so it can’t be like the Maldives one :P.

        Lol, ehem, @ Funn, as a diehard fan of LF (LMAO) how dare you say he is player (LMAO)? lol, I like him more as a player than a “naive guy”. I dun believe that their is any innocent person in the entertainment industry. Innocent face, yes, but all of them are fox inside.

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      • Kidd replied:

        I agree with Jayne. I also believe that Ray was once serious about the relationship.

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      • sehseh replied:

        I believe that Raymond was once serious about the relationship, but after some time due to continuous pressure from family and career (and her risque career), he might feel that his relationship with Mavis is not worth fighting for.

        The biggest mistake Raymond did was he made the decision to break up with her publicly than in person. He could have contact her abt the pics and make a clean break with her. But the impression I get is that Ray buckled under the pressure and chose the fast exit.

        p.s. Continuously appearing on Next Magazine (or any tabloid) for 3 cover in a row is not that big deal. This will pass soon.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        ALL SPECULATION BUT TO ANSWER…

        “if Ray were a player, why would he put in all that effort of introducing her to his father and Ms. Lok?”
        Because players doesn’t mean he is uncaring or careless. Perhaps she was hard to get? He wanted to make her feel safe with him so that she will do whatever he wants her to, such as being very secretive? From the interview it was as if she blamed herself, putting in extra effort to emphasise she didn’t want anyone to know, taking care of his career, and if she is as naive as I think she is, this may mean Ray did such things so as to ensure she is obedient.

        “Why fight with his father over Mavis?”
        That’s what she thinks he said but she doesn’t know what they said for real. It is her impression of what happened. Could be about other things. The fight could be about something else related to her but not directly related to her. And if he did fight with his father, did so much and yet publicly dumped her without telling to her face, that makes him even worse.

        “Why the effort to sustain it for an entire year?”
        Because even players have their favourites.

        “Why give her key acess to his apartment when he can have shorter flings at hotels?”
        Because if he does walk into a hotel, we wouldn’t have this expose now and not then. Apartment is safer.

        Also could mean he isn’t immensely bright in handling this matter? Yes, I do believe at some point he liked her enough to want to be serious with her but then decided she is not worth the trouble. Since she is passionate and all, maybe she became too clingy for his taste? Maybe he liked being in love but not commitment with this particular girl?

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      • star replied:

        Yeah. I think she did like raymond alot, thats probably the only thing i believe on what she says. She seems to doesnt mind much and would make alot of sacrifices for the relationship while Raymond cares more about his work and family. I think to raymond the relationship just wasn’t worth it with so many disapproval.

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      • Fox replied:

        Just read the horoscope on her zodiac: Aries and it’s quite true to her character. If have time you can find, interesting.

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    • advo replied:

      @ Fox,

      I have a very hard time joining the image of a girl who takes such revealing pictures, get so much surgery to enhance her “assets” with a very naive girl. And I’m not even factoring whether she leaked those initial pics or not.

      If Ray is a player, then why on earth would he be too tired of having sex with her? As far as I can see, that’s the only advantage given that they had a very secretive relationship. In fact, if someone is a player it’s because they love the attention they get when they have a gorgeous woman on their arm (and the sex probably) and here he is getting none of the first, and apparently not very much of the latter.

      In fact, it sounds to me like you just wanted an excuse to hate on Raymond. For sure, he was a coward in not breaking up with her, but other than that I fail to see how he’s been “manipulative”, or an “experienced” player. Why? Because he likes busty women and because she doesn’t sound too smart? And here I thought ALL guys like busty women. Perhaps, she doesn’t say bad things about him because he genuine isn’t a bad guy?

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      • advo replied:

        Sorry. I meant @ Funn, not Fox

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      • Kidd replied:

        In your eagerness to defend Raymond, you have addressed the wrong person. 😛

        It’s Funn who said Ray is a player and not Fox, and as far as I know, neither are Ray haters.

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      • advo replied:

        I don’t think Funn is a Ray hater. But her arguments for why Raymond is a manipulative player are far-fetched. At best.

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      • Fox replied:

        @Advo: My heart is half broken when you @me =)). I guess I sent you too many Kaki’s pictures so you want to play me back :P. Kidding*.

        @Kidd: Hey I claim myself as a LF fan and I know many ppl here and there knew that :P.

        To sum up, I don’t support the opinion of ppl to immediately count a busty/big (oYo)girl = stupid/counting/material. Beauty in the eyes of guys and girls is different. Girls might say “ew” to a plastic girl but 9/10 guys will say “wow hot” and the 10th guy will go with her directly. It’s kinda normal. They will get married with busty girl or not, it’s another story but most of them want to go out with her.

        In the article, this statement of PSS is quite true:“No, if it were only for sex, why not get a prostitute!”. If he is a player and he chose her to be his bed friend only, then he is kinda stupid. Find a prostitute is safer and cheaper.

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      • advo replied:

        @ Fox,

        We did not have a fall-out. Just been too busy for AF.

        I don’t think everyone judges Mavis based on her being busty=stupid. It’s her interviews that paint a picture of someone who’s not the brightest crayon in the box. I have lost a little respect for Ray because he acted so cowardly in the breakup, but otherwise, my opinion of him has not changed just because he dated someone hot (and maybe a little dim).

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  12. Sky says:

    now waiting for the xxx video 😀

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    • EkinFan replied:

      its probably going to be just some hugging

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      • Fox replied:

        I’ll cry in this case (hugging only).

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    • Funn Lim replied:

      Won’t happen. If there is would have been out by now. Moreover probably just him sleeping and she taking photos of herself with him.

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    • Sky replied:

      Hug only????!!!!! Is he gay? I would bang that girl every time I c her. lol….

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  13. SDS says:

    Next magazine sure is after Raymond Lam. This whole ‘interview’ is skewed towards presenting Mavis in a more positive light while making Ray less than a shining knight. That nearly rhymed!

    Oh well. Its not the end of the world. Ray fans should give a sigh that it wasn’t news he was queer. Not that there’s anything wrong with that of course……………………………………………………………… 😛

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    • keeper replied:

      not really. all magazines want a cover story and it goes to the highest bidder. at least they went to get an interview of Mavis, showing her side too. that is considered good already since they went to clarify the relationship between them.

      i actually do not dislike Mavis or Raymond from this. its a personal affair. even if they reported it, its because there was already interest for it. everyone should take it easy and not get so heat up, its just all entertainment at the end of the day and not relevant to our real life.

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      • YanYanKong replied:

        I agree with the secound half of your comment. I like to read diff people’s thoughts on this and read news of this, but doesn’t effect me that much. But I do kinda not like PSS. and I don’t share the same feelings others do about her. I don’t feel sorry for her.

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  14. Mel says:

    Why do Mavis wanted to released out their pictures and accepts all sorts of interviews to talk about their relationship? This is their private life so she should just sorted by themselves rather than exposed it to the world. If she really love Ray then she would not did these to him. To me, she is just seeking attention and publicity.

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    • Kidd replied:

      1) There’s no concrete proof that she released the photo.
      2) She did only 2 interviews so. That’s not really ‘ccepts all sorts of interviews to talk about their relationship’.

      I know a lot of people suspect that she released the pictures. There’s a big chance that she did. But, it’s still not fact. But, some people seem to like using this as fact in their argument/reason.

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      • Fox replied:

        No, she did 4 interviews :).

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  15. star says:

    I don’t get the disproval with Virginia Lok thing. I know raymond works for TVB and should respect work and all… but Virginia isnt his mother, why does it seem like she is??

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    • Funn Lim replied:

      Virginia Lok is his manager and somewhat like his mother.

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      • Yee replied:

        Virginia Lok isn’t his manager, she’s the one that organizes what artist so at TVB. It’s kinda like a manager but like for all artist of TVB, each artist has their own manager, she’s just the top boss of everyone, she just really likes ray. Ray’s manager is Cindy Ma I think…

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      • Fox replied:

        Cindy Ma is Fala’s manager. His is Candy.

        I think 620 and LF are quite close. Lol, he is her golden chicken.

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      • keeper replied:

        she might feel possessive over him? TVB property? its just the impression i get.

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      • keeper replied:

        if Raymond was busy dating, then its a loss to TVB.

        what i dont get is why Virginia Lok lied and said she encouraged Raymond to date when in fact, she was breaking them up behind the scenes. its a sad story. all work and no love.

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    • Melody replied:

      Virginia Lok lied becos she cant tell the whole of HK and some parts of Asia, the TRUTH. She cant say ya I’m the one who told Ray to break up if not I will not give him jobs.

      Anyway most artists are afraid of her in a certain way. Recently Joe Ma wife showed her anger on weibo and addressed her a Big Mother Lok…

      And when Moses was asked for his comment on this issue, he said dating is ok, but must be low profile…

      So its obvious of her “power” of control over them. They do not allow their artists to declare they are dating. I mean we all know they are human and have relationships like anyone else. There isn’t a need to hide.

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  16. star says:

    “we did not always do the deed”…. lol wth why would she say that?? She bluntly just admitted she had sex with raymond other times. Yikes? That’s a very bad image for raymond for fans to hear….

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    • Fox replied:

      Dun tell me you expect him to keep his virgin until the age of 32?

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      • star replied:

        No I didnt obviously…. but why would she say that seriously?>!?!

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      • Fox replied:

        In this case then I agree with you. Shouldn’t talk about private life to public like this. She is intentional to say this or not, I don’t know so I won’t comment.

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    • Funn Lim replied:

      Of course they had sex. What does his fans expect? He living like a monk/priest?

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      • star replied:

        Yeah but i dont think she needed to say it. It’s like we don’t care if you had sex with 100 other guys but seriously, these type of things dont need to be said publicly, even if shes not embarrassed I would be for her.

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    • Kidd replied:

      Interviewer asked her and she answered. She seem to be an open person who can talk about anything.

      Haha, Ray fans still think there’s no hanky panky in the relationship and Ray just plain sleeping every time he’s on the bed with Mavis?

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      • Yee replied:

        I think she is just naive, thinking that this will help her, but all she is doing is talking to much…

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    • Fox replied:

      Hey dun include me in. And I noe a lot of his fans who are 20+ to 40+ dun believe that he still has the virginity, even before the scandal. So dun say “his fans” because it’s a generalisation.

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      • Kidd replied:

        Just following star’s ‘That’s a very bad image for raymond for fans to hear’ line.

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      • Fox replied:

        Anything have exception, even star also has a generalisation.

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      • star replied:

        I’m not saying that I think he still has his virginity Im just saying that why would Mavis need to annouce that like its something so proud…… well maybe it is because she had sex with RAYMOND xD but still…

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      • star replied:

        @Kidd: Well like, many fans probably shouldnt be naive to think that raymond is a virgin but you know, now this being put forth so blunt and honest in the public… it’s still not very good. Now everyone is thinking of it.

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    • Melody replied:

      Actually after seeing her interview, I find her a very naive girl since she blurted out too many details.

      As for the sex part, dun think it affects ray’s image prolly only his young fans or those who had him up on a pedestal.

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    • HeTieShou replied:

      Well, honestly even if she did not say it we would all know anyways. A guy and girl that both like each other and are in bed together, what do you think would happen?? It is so obvious anyways… I think Raymond’s fans need to be more realistic here.

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  17. Larry 3 says:

    Sex tape, next? Will that destroy Raymond Lam’s career???? [hypothetical speaking, or not…]

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    • Funn Lim replied:

      It won’t unless he is a pervert. If he was loving, gentle, etc whatever, will enhance his reputation. He ain’t edison chan. Edison chan with a girl on bed, he will take pictures. Raymond lam with a girl on bed, he sleeps.

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      • Fox replied:

        Laugh die me =)). Maybe he lacks of sleep.

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      • Melody replied:

        LOL. With such a packed schedule, lack of sleep is normal. This scandal is far from Edison Chan scandal.

        The most scandulous part of this whole issue is probably we know that Ray was not single as he claims if its even considered a “scandal”. And the fact that he like big boobs like any other guy.

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      • Gary lou4ever replied:

        he is a player!

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  18. yDino says:

    Mavis story is true or not, aside. What on earth this lady need to wear a bra-like top and short pants (on the bed)for interview? does she thinks the public need to be reminded of her huge assets, or this is just part of publicity with Next mags? well…..as a reader, I’m definitely not convinced by her honesty and integrity when she potray herself like this for interview.

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    • HeTieShou replied:

      Which is why I question how accurate this whole thing and how “naive” she really is???

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  19. MKE says:

    She really looks like one of the transvestite from thailand! And i’m not surprise that any regular dad would object his son going out with her looking at the way she behaves in front of cameras! Period.

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  20. maggie says:

    I’m sure there is some truth in her interview. But why does she look like a prostitute in EVERY single picture in the magazine? TRASHY. She is just SO trashy.

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  21. Veejay says:

    there is a high chance that Mavis was the one who leaked out those pics because every pics shows her holding the camera and taking pics without Raymond’s concern. Before i go further on this, I’d like to announce that I’m not a RAY’S fan and I’m not here to protect or detest Mavis, I just find her suspicious, that’s all. First, she took these pics while Ray was sleeping and seems like a camwhore to me. Secondly, those revealing pics she took probably ages ago was way too reveal and no ordinary “asian” model would dare to go to that extreme even if they got those Curves bodies, only a PORN STAR would show off their body like that. Mavis seems like someone who use Ray’s to make fame of herself. If it wasn’t Ray in the pic, do you think people will notice her? Nah…she’s just another plain asian model who had exeggerated boobs and plastic job all over her body.

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    • star replied:

      I wouldn’t say Mavis was using Raymond to promote herself after reading the article but I wouldn’t 100% agree with the things she is saying either. I agree with you, she said that if she had a nice body she wouldn’t mind showing it off right? BUT seriously, it really seems like she doesn’t have any limits, looks like a pornstar to me as well. She seems like a attention seeker and a show-off too. I think she is WAY to naive, but I don’t want to go any further to judge her, the best advice I would give to her is good luck.

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      • Veejay replied:

        She is not naive at all to had taken those “sleeping” pics with Raymond and leaks them to the media (if she ever did). She’s probably seeking revenge on Raymond for onofficially dumping her? and leaking those pics out just to destroy his image and career and gain publicity at the same time for herself. Any decent girls wont reveal their bodies to the extreme in magazine, I’m not talking about those attention seekers or etc. I’m talking about decent girls maybe like Linda, Natalie, Yoyo Mung and etc.

        Even if mavis was “betrayed” and hurt by Ray’s official statement of breaking up with her.. I wouldn’t feel pity for her since everyone know having relationship with famous actor like Ray will have all the risks, dissapprovals, challenges and etc. Mavis has to be prepared play such “love” game and shouldn’t betray her lover by posting unethically pics online..it just made her looks cheap.

        As for Ray, his reputation is definitely tarnished for being a liar making up lies like he has been single for so long and etc. Ray’s taste on women sure made me look at him twice nowadays, I always thought he has high standard of expectations on women since he said he hasn’t been dating for quite some time. But to me, Ray is just another plain guy with sex urges doesn’t matter the girl is made of plastic or not, he will just jump on her….

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      • HeTieShou replied:

        Really agree with Veejay and IF she did take those photos and leaked them out to the public, is she really THAT naive??? I am thinking that she may try to act naive in this interview to gain some sympathy since she has been deemed as the bad person that has betrayed Raymond…

        Also, for her to date someone like Ray is not the same as dating a normal guy. First of all, he comes from a rich family and is a popular and famous celeb. Dating him will be twice as stressful as dating any normal guy. I think she knew that and maybe was using him to get famous. However, she is also from the circle so she should know about all this and be more familiar rather than someone that is not from the circle.

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      • MKE replied:

        Totally agree with Veejay. I’m sure Raymond is banging his head now,regretting to date this kinda girl. If this girl LOVES Ray so much, she wouldn’t agree with this interview in the first place. Popularity & Fame is what she was looking for in the first place.

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  22. Cynthia says:

    She is so naive.

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    • Gary lou4ever replied:

      She is smart!

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  23. Candy says:

    I am convinced

    1) This is vengeance because she has this voluptuous body and Raymond prefers to sleep.. ahem! (Girls can get really offended y’know)

    2) She is given a lot of money for the whole ordeal and carefully strategized and executed by Next as a win win situation.

    3) Raymond is not a player but gullible to believe he will have any future with the girl but that’s ok cos you will have to go through the courting process to find out and he has. In his stupidity to fall for this woman’s trap he at least had the wisdom to want to have gone out at least 2 years to make public or think about marriage cos by that time he will be more sure if they are made to be together. If you can’t survive 2 years how can you live 20-30 years together.

    4) Mr.Lam (Sr) and Ms. Lok is absolutely right to advise him to leave this girl as clearly confirm their vision of her is right. It takes a certain character to carry out an exercise of hurt like this. If anyone of you had children whether famous or not, you will want to know their partner’s past. What Mavis expect, take this type of pictures and expect people to say she is pure. You do something to create an impression and you blame when that impression you give has effected????

    5) Actually the whole thing is quite a normal love story even the parents disapproval part, ONLY YOU has many examples. Just that to Raymond or anyone’s disgust it’s made public and totally unnecessary. Even if he did not break up obviously she does not love him. In real love you will never think of hurting him NO MATTER WHAT. Seldom any relationship is smooth, if she cannot accept his background, job nature, fame, and family expectations then she cannot, nobody owes her anything.

    6) Too fishy on Mavis side of story – her manager was the one who disclosed they had a holiday in Bali. The pictures did not tell. Not necessary to expose. She did say they broke up amicably. Now this. On the contrary Raymond kept repeating that what happens between 2 people are best kept private.

    7) We are all again falling into the media’s trap!

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    • Fox replied:

      1) This is vengeance because she has this voluptuous body and Raymond prefers to sleep.. ahem! (Girls can get really offended y’know)

      If have like button, I’ll press to vote for this comment.

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      • Candy replied:

        High 5!!

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      • Fox replied:

        Hight 10!

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      • Melody replied:

        That comment made me laugh…

        Raymond is really lacking of sleep.. LOL!

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  24. anna says:

    Her breast is so saggy, so it is not pretty to me. But, her face is pretty.

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    • Gary lou4ever replied:

      she needs a lift!

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  25. victoria says:

    I find Mavis Pan to be a very young & naive girl. If she is going into a interview and she wants people to sympthize with her then she should have dressed more conservatively. Who would take you seriously if you are showing off your boobs like that.
    And second, she doesn’t need to discuss about her private life. All she needed to do is say that she made a mistake in leaking the photos into the public and caused someone that she loves in alot of distress and pain and for that she just need to appologize.
    Another thing that I wanted to add is that her breasts are not real. She was so flat in her earlier pictures, neither is her double lids, or her nose and her lips and chin. She totally did alot of plastic surgery.
    Raymond’s father & Manager did the right thing in trying to keep them apart. They were only trying to protect his image. Think about it, Raymond is a VERY popular idol with a clean image, if reporters or press knows of him dating Mavis it will be all over the news. Reporters will dig in every detail of Mavis and write about it putting Raymond in a very awkward position. Just as they are doing right now. Now if Raymond was dating someone from a pure and innocent background, his father and Manager would be fine with it. If Mavis wanted a life as Ray’s wife, then she should have stopped modeling for lingerie and do other professional line of work. It’s the same as a president trying to date a porn star, do you think that will really work? Nope.

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    • Funn Lim replied:

      She is not a porn star. She is a model who happens to do risque modelling.

      I think I will have more respect for Ray if he sticks to the woman he loves, whatever background she may be. I will then see him as a gentleman and a man of his words, whatever her background may be.

      But I agree, she is incredibly naive.

      Her face isn;t real too. Somehow after plastic surgery there’s this waxy sort of look.

      Her breast isn’t saggy, it is too big being squeezed into a dress too small and her posture is bad in the pictures.

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      • star replied:

        No hate or anything towards her, but her photos give me a feeling of pornography more than model high-fashion like. It’s like she’s being to “sexy” more than what fashion-modelling is all about.

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      • Melody replied:

        Agreed with Funn.

        I’ll respect him more too if he continued on amidst the pressure instead of just dissppearing from her life. Love knows no boundaries!

        NO girl on earth can accept an irresponsible man like that. If he wanted out, even a SMS would be better than having a silent break up just becos he felt that as adults, they can understand! That is sooo wronggg, somehow this story kinda of reflects on the MOL storyline also except for the perfect ending.

        And saggy breasts do not look like that at all. Though its fake, I’ll have to agree she does look good in a way.

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      • HeTieShou replied:

        Well none of us know the whole story so I don’t think we should blame Ray or her 100%. First, we hear that they both broke up on good terms, then we hear that Ray did not break up directly with her and only to the public, then we hear something else… What is really the truth?? Only they themselves know…

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      • Gary lou4ever replied:

        Wannabe porn star!

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      • Kidd replied:

        @ MOL

        I also thought of MOL when I read Raymond bucked under pressure. So like Kingsley.

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      • Fox replied:

        Maybe I’m different. If the love is die, the girl will know before the guy. Actually, a clear “goodbye” can’t do anything to help a died love. I don’t want my guy to say “goodbye” to me because I’ll take the chance and say that to him first :P. If not, just let each other get far and then both will understand that the love is died.

        And I think only in series, love is the business of 2 people. In real life, my view is different. Love is also the business of the family, friends and relatives. If all of them or most of them don’t support, two people can’t be together. Love is only in first 3 months, after that is responsibilities and habits.

        @ Kidd: In MOL this Kingsley said goodbye to SLM and you can see wat happen :P. She still get crazy. If he gets far from her and dun say goodbye to her, maybe she won’t be hurt in a moment.

        Lol, like MOL, PSS should call Ron :). And dun forget to cut her wrist + show him and of course, “You calculated wrongly” shouldn’t be forgotten.

        Kidding.

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      • jayne replied:

        @Fox:

        “And I think only in series, love is the business of 2 people. In real life, my view is different. Love is also the business of the family, friends and relatives. If all of them or most of them don’t support, two people can’t be together. Love is only in first 3 months, after that is responsibilities and habits.”

        I agree that we don’t live in a void and need the support of family mostly in a relationship. Even if our friends do not support, we have to understand the reason for why this is so…is it that they are on different social planes? In childhood and teens, friends mean a lot to us. As we get older, it becomes our significant other and family. So I think having the blessing of family in a relationship is really important. Love on cloud nine can exist longer than 3 months…I’ll say max out at a year, if the couple is not living together. If the couple is young, that puppy stage can easily last much longer. Even after the first year, there’s a lot you can do to distract each other, vacations together, dining out, showing each other special places and ideas. When you meet someone special, you see the world from a different perspective.

        Living together, due to the shared space entails habits and responsibilities. That’s why some people say relationships turn from “fun” to “work” after a while. A couple should always try to retain the fun factor in their element. Who wants a second job when they come home?

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      • Kidd replied:

        @ Fox

        “Lol, like MOL, PSS should call Ron . And dun forget to cut her wrist + show him and of course, “You calculated wrongly” shouldn’t be forgotten.”

        Comparing PSS’s method and SLM’s method, PSS’s method is better. Doing an expose of your ex is better than cutting yourself. 😛

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      • Fox replied:

        @ Kidd: Yup but in this case, everyone will throw eggs to SLM’s face and of course, TXB can’t do that :P.

        @ Jayne: I couldn’t agree more. However, to the kids (I consider kids as ppl <18 years old), they still believe in "love forever" and "world of 2 ppl". Blame the TV, songs and story to brainwash them.

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  26. TGI says:

    how come her fake breasts look soft and saggy and american actresses’ fake breasts look perky and hard?

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    • Gary lou4ever replied:

      She’s probably going under knife in 3, 2, 1…

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  27. Chriselle says:

    Honestly speaking, Mavis doesn’t look attractive at all in the above header photo. She reminds me of Lisa Chong, 2nd runner up of MHK 2010. She looked better in her first set of photos released; it’s hard to believe that it’s the same person.

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    • star replied:

      I saw many photos of Mavis, and most of her photos differ, maybe it’s the angle or whatever, but if it wasn’t titled I really wouldnt be able to tell that it was the same person. At times, the photo of her is beautiful, then to big fluffy-like lips than to angelababy kinda of look than to something else. Maybe it’s the plastic surgery that makes her facial expression so different in every picture.

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      • Kidd replied:

        Yeah, she looks very different in different pictures. Very strange. And she looks nothing like Angelababy in the video interview I saw her in.

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  28. Danielle says:

    I don’t understand why everyone is calling her naive? I think she knows perfectly what she’s doing.

    Not that I’m a judge of her actions but I don’t believe she’s naive at all. Period.

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    • lol replied:

      I don’t believe she’s naive too. She knows what she’s doing and she’s not hesitating at all to do all this.

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  29. Funn Lim says:

    Jayne, I just noticed;

    “This gave me the feeling that he was too lewd.”

    Do you mean

    “This gave me the feeling that he wasn’t too lewd.”

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    • Jayne replied:

      @Funn, yes I noted the typo in my earlier comments and will fix as soon as possible.

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      • HeTieShou replied:

        @Jayne,
        So you see how much we really need the edit button. I always make typos and want to edit but can’t after something has been posted.

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  30. Rita says:

    Well I think they are just using each other… Raymond using, not really using, but enjoying, her big boos and perhaps did put some effort in the relationship since he tried to introduced her to his parents and V Lok. He not necessarily is a player, but he probably know how to act “gentlement” and just let the relationship sits without saying break up to her explicitly. That girl is probably just using him for fame, and I believe her when she said Ray is a gentlement and nice guy, because even though I’m not sure how sincere are his gentle acts but… hey he is not too bad, his look now is ok handsome and why not have sex with him and can later use him for fame.

    So now they both got what they want, Ray is still has this gentlement shy boy image, and he had his shares of big boos. That girl now has her one minute fame. DOuble WIN.

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  31. Bridget says:

    TMI, Mavis. Whatever her true intention is with the interview, I do think there were genuine feelings on both sides. As cliche as it sounds though, I think the two were too different in terms of personality, expectations, etc. They probably got really caught up in the romance of it initially and then everything went to hell, esp. when Ray couldn’t deal with the pressure from family / TVB, Mavis too caught up in / naive with regards to the relationship and especially the fact that it wasn’t a clean break-up.

    While I’m a Ray fan, I think he was extremely immature in the way he dealt with this whole thing. Yes, he’s 30+, but I get the feeling this was his first ‘serious’ relationship in a long time, he chose the ‘wrong’ girl (I mean in the sense that both were so different in terms of background, expectations and personality and neither was really prepared to deal with the pressure that comes with that), and he let the whole thing fall completely apart by not doing a clean break-up.

    On a completely random note, maybe he got rejected by Linda nad this relationship was his 180-degree-shift to nurse his wounds?

    Chill, people. Just kidding. 😉

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  32. HeTieShou says:

    I just read the article and must say that I don’t believe it 100%. I am not really implying that she is lying or anything, but as we all know the reporters and media all add, change, twist and take out things too. It’s not like they are writing a history book and have to make sure that everything is accurate.

    I also don’t think she is 100% naive as some may think. I believe she does know what she is doing. Also, after the outbreak of the photos, Raymond was deemed as the “victim” and she was the bad one. Maybe she gave this interview to make it seem like she is the “victim” and that Raymond dumped her and not the other way around. She can be turning the tables on him now. If Raymond did dump her then I am more inclined to believe that she may have leaked out those photos for revenge and at the same time make herself more known and famous. Since she is in the circle as well, I am thinking that she may know about how everything functions and all too.It’s not like she is from outside the circle and is in a completely different profession.She also knows how to make use of this interview and her past relationship with Raymond to promote and bring attention to herself. Therefore, to call her naive is not that accurate in my opinion. Also, she takes all of these revealing photos makes me think, how naive is she really???

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    • Funn Lim replied:

      Naiveness is not about not knowing what you’re doing. It is badly misjudging the gravity of the consequence of your action, which is what Raymond is guilty of as well. Taking off clothes doesn’t make her worldly; it just made her looks like she needs a better PR manager. This interview could mean she is trying to salvage her reputation by telling her side of the story but ended up more like selling herself short.

      She is not the devil and Raymond is not the angel with a halo on top of his head. He entered into this relationship with this girl because he was attracted to what he saw and obviously most men would be. She probably did this interview and did all those leaking out of bitterness.

      Either way, I find her incredibly naive, borderline foolish and not very smart as well.

      I wouldn’t say if she chose to do an Cat III movie she is a bad person but a desperate one. She may think Shu Qi as her idol but for every 1 Shu Qi, there are hundreds of Cat III stars who crash and burn. And what is Cat III movie anyway? Violent films or in her case, soft porn. Doesn’t make her a porn actress per se.

      If she knows how to make use of this article and Raymond to promote herself, then frankly she doesn’t know better.

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      • HeTieShou replied:

        I guess you define being naive differently from me…

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        The dictionary says so;

        “Showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment”

        Sounds like her.

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      • HeTieShou replied:

        Fine, she IS naive… You win…

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        Look, I am not in here to win or lose. I am just posting the definition. It is English, pure and simple.

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  33. Gary lou4ever says:

    What Mavis needs to increased her boobs, good looking ass and maybe a great looking body…probably could lure in more stars to join in with her.

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  34. Kaye says:

    OMG!!!

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  35. Candy says:

    Listened to her interview and I find it really funny. When asked about her “sexy” photos taken from the lingerie advert and posted she says she was young then, her family was opposing to her taking this career path and she was forced to do it or have to pay back hence she did. But it was a very long time ago and she didn’t think it will surface again?? She is only 24 and how long ago is long?

    Even if she was forced then why agree to do Cat 3 now. Wong Jing was saying she didn’t hesitate when told to remove her clothing. And she goes to say you guys are judging me from my external appearance but really I am not like that inside?? Huh?

    She tries to rebrand herself like she is clean and then when she tells about the 3 possibilities how the photos leaked, on her assistant, she was like I have a bad temper.

    Finally, if she is also a victim of the publishing by NEXT magazine, why on earth does she agree to do an exclusive interview with the very same magazine who exposed their relationship if it hurt her so bad???

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  36. Ethan says:

    Mavis… one thing for sure… you are hot!!! So, more photos please…

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  37. victoria says:

    “She was forced to do it when she’s young…well, she’s still doing it, she’s still taking provocative pictures regardless and she’s enjoying that people are attracted to her without clothes, she feels powerful that way. With all the money she had to put out for the plastics, she had to get it back somehow..
    Plus, she LOVES to take photos of herself….I find that a bit vain.

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    • Funn Lim replied:

      Who doesn’t like to take photos of themselves these days?

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      • Danielle replied:

        On the same topic, I find it very weird to see teenage girls hoarding the mirrors in the toilets, taking pictures of themselves repeatedly and frankly, they are blocking the exits!

        Geez they also do it when there are mirrors in the elevators, lobby etc etc

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      • stmlw20 replied:

        I agree with Danielle!! I am a female myself but i don’t stand in the toilets, in front of any possible mirror and take photos of myself!! some of my friends use them as profile pics >.<

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  38. Joan says:

    Mavis sounds like a delusional psycho.

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  39. Truth says:

    I believe part of the interview was factual while some of it were lies… I still don’t think Raymond is that type of man.

    This is an obvious, nefarious act in an attempt to gain publicity. Shameful Miss Poon, shame on you!!

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  40. Chriselle says:

    I’m still iffy about believing Mavis because the story paints an entirely different picture about her personality. It made her seem like she was a victim in this so-called scandal too. Ultimately, this interview failed to reveal how the photos were leaked. It’s not impossible, but who will believe the excuse that she gave (she left her phone unattended at a hair salon)? Don’t most celebrities have iPhones these days anyway? And there is a lock feature to it and they should definitely put it to good use.

    I do believe there is some truth to the interview, and it’s hard to say whose right and wrong in relationships. Maybe there was a misunderstanding?

    However, I must say those are some very ridiculous restrictions Mr. Lam put on Raymond and Mavis’s relationship. Each phone conversation cannot be longer than 15 minutes? How is that possible? And no seeing each other until every 3 months? In this case, it’s no longer even a relationship as communication is one of the key aspects in maintaining a relationship.

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    • fox replied:

      However, I must say those are some very ridiculous restrictions Mr. Lam put on Raymond and Mavis’s relationship. Each phone conversation cannot be longer than 15 minutes? How is that possible? And no seeing each other until every 3 months? In this case, it’s no longer even a relationship as communication is one of the key aspects in maintaining a relationship.

      It’s like the wise method to end a relationship in peace but the girl can’t get mad with him. The girl – if can’t follow the instructions – his father will reject her officially. If she follow them, their love will fade soon so his father doesn’t need to do anything to split them.

      So clear, if these restrictions are true, his father doesn’t want her to date his son.

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      • Chriselle replied:

        @fox Hahahaha… sounds so much like the issues and tactics used in those wealthy businessmen in dramas.

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      • fox replied:

        His father is actually one. He can build a successful company from white hands, so he must be a wise man.

        I really admire this tactic. Very smart.

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    • Kidd replied:

      If the photos really were not released by her, then, she’s a victim.

      I don’t see how this interview paints an entirely different picture about her personality. To me, it’s roughly the same as how Raymond paints her in his interview.

      Unless, people form the picture of her personality not based on Raymond’s account, but, her sexy photos.

      “Ultimately, this interview failed to reveal how the photos were leaked.”

      If she didn’t know how the photo were leaked, how can she tell?

      “It’s not impossible, but who will believe the excuse that she gave (she left her phone unattended at a hair salon)? Don’t most celebrities have iPhones these days anyway? And there is a lock feature to it and they should definitely put it to good use.”

      This is one of her speculations on how the photos might be leak. She did not know for sure. She also said her phone has lock. Later, they speculated it might be the assistant. But, they still did not say it for sure.

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      • fox replied:

        Uhm, I just think that: No victim will go to see the killer and tell them: “Hey do exclusive interview with me!”

        If she is really hurt by this scandal, why she did the interview with Next – the first source of the scandal? She must hate Next very very much because it explored her scandal to the public. Look at LF, he even dun go to Next’s award and do interview for them, even he is in their award list.

        I suppose it’s why ppl believe she is the one who leaked the pix.

        Just my 2 cents :P.

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  41. Tilney says:

    I don’t believe this girl. All I have to say is I believe in Raymond because there are some people who want to be popular then they purposely create a scandal to make people notice or pity for them. I guess this girl is one of those people. Poor Ray!!! I met a wrong girl

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  42. kim ng says:

    Kim says:
    April 8,2011 at 9:40 pm

    Think it over,why Mr Lam use these restrictions with her,I do beleive he knew how is she,poor Ray,,,

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  43. rei says:

    I think Raymond is a player. If not why associate with girls like her with a 36D breast…common. First date in his house on his bed? Raymond likes girls with long hair remember. He didn’t pulibicly say he also like big boobs and booty with a nice waist. He doesn’t care about plastic surgery…I mean look at him. Long chin suddenly, sharper noice suddenly after filming Twin brothers. I think there is some truth to her story and Raymond as well. But if she isn’t looking for fame why coming out to talk about it. Shames like this shouldn’t be discuss out in the open, real couples that really want to move on really will just drop it and move on. Raymond’s CLEAN image is ruined now. At least for me he is no longer innocent I thought he like Linda Chung type of girl, sweet and real unlike Ms Mavis.

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    • fox replied:

      Do you know PSS in person to know she is not sweet and real?

      You seems full of “judge the book through it cover”. I doubt you read the content of the article to know that she said they didn’t have sex on this first day.

      I still can’t understand why ppl can look at a busty girl and immediately say: “She is slutty” when they even don’t know them for a second.

      He said publicly that he likes girl with nice body. You can’t follow him as tight as his fan, actually that :P.

      And after TOB, he is fat in all 2004 to the end of 2005. Where is the long chin and sharper nose? If you want to criticize him, then must find the right period.

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    • Chriselle replied:

      I don’t think Raymond is a player simply because she’s just so busy with his work that he doesn’t even have time to date. Just because he likes girls with big breasts doesn’t mean he’s a player as it’s natural for guys to be attracted to girls physically.

      Lol… yes, I was a bit surprised that their first date was in his bed and that is not acceptable in my standards, but it’s still understandable for a popular celebrity like Raymond who can’t afford to be seen in public with someone like Mavis and not labeled as a player (and so many other terms). Because if the world knew, these are exactly the reactions (that we as the audience) that he would receive from us and it’s definitely not pleasant to know that no one supports his choice of women.

      You sound like a Raymond fan? Perhaps, it’s because saying that he likes big boobs and a nice waist would make it seem like the person who views women as objects, thus he abstained from saying that. After all, society does not support us basing love and relationships on lust.

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  44. jayzemine says:

    You guys are so funny and I enjoyed reading the whole discussion on LF/MP. First of all, I don’t even care how the pictures were leaked, that is not important, I think what shocked me the most at this moment is the choice of woman Ray likes. Base on his past rumors, Rain Li, Michelle Yeh, Linda Chung, Tavia Yeung, and Charmaine Sheh, Mavis is totally the 360 from these girls. I would think that he would like someone like Rain Li, since he always mention that he likes girl with long hair in ponytail and tall with a nice body. Let’s be honest, granted Mavis may be a really nice girl with a good heart, but judging from her outter appearance and presentation, is she wife material or banging material? Would you bring someone like this to meet your parent? So, I totally understand Ray’s father objection. He is looking out for the benefit of his son and his “meen jee”. He is a business man and I like to believe reputable, must be hard to introduce her to his business partners should they get marry in the future because we all know that rich people gossips and gossips. So, it’s a good thing that they are no longer together, the best for both side because their relationship be have been really hard to survive, too many obstacles. Like Jayne said, without the blessing fo the family, it’s almost impossible, especially when Ray always mentioned how close he is with his family and how much he loves them.
    I don’t doubt that maybe at one point Ray might have really loved her. Which man can resist such body whether real or not. But when reality sets-in, the relationship will not survive, they are two different people. He even said it himself in one interview that which men would like his gf to take those kind of pictures, yet Mavis seem to enjoy it. As the pics keeps coming out, I don’t remember seeing too much of her fully clothes pics LOL. As for the interview, I think there are some truth in it and at this moment, she is the smart one and benefit from this whole scandal. Who the hell goes on a interview dressing like that. Do you really expect people to take you seriously by dressing like during an interview, HELLO, wake-up honey. But one thing that she did succeed during this interview is creating more enemies from the fans of the people she dissed.
    One thing that I find really controversial during the interview is when she said most of the time that they hug and sleep because he is too tired. I think I believe her there because considering the amount of work Ray had last year, he was really really busy, so sleep might be his priority. But in one of the previous interview, http://asianuniverse.net/forums/Mavis_Pan_appears_in_HK_insists_haven_t_broken_up_with_Raym_t277739.html, she elude that Ray has a sex addiction. So which one is true? Also, she said that they dated for almost two years while Raymond said that they were together for “several months”. Someone is obviously lying or am I misreading? One more thing, she also said that those lingeries pics were taken when she was younger, uh, those pics that she is taking right now are not much different, she is still doing it. Just admit it damn it, you enjoy exposing yourself. Why act all naïve and victimize.
    Lastly, if her professional is considered modeling, then I will advise those young one out there to not go into modeling. Looks like trashy porn wanna be to me, not classy at all. Perhaps, that is what men like and Raymond is no exception. Like what they say, it’s those quiet one that are wild in bed  Like I said before, don’t care if Ray does date, but didn’t know he liked woman like Mavis, boobilicious.

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    • Kidd replied:

      @ jayzemine

      ” But in one of the previous interview, she elude that Ray has a sex addiction.”

      She eluded no such thing. It’s just the reporter using controversial words as title.

      In this page,

      http://www.jaynestars.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/mavispan21.jpg

      The big white title can be translated to

      ‘Raymond Lam’s sex fetish.’

      The chinese word use is ‘癖好’. If you use a chinese -> translation tool, you will get

      – fondness
      – urge
      – craving
      – addiction

      Since, the content did not mention any addiction at all, I presume, this ‘癖好’ refers to Raymond’s fondness for hugging and cuddling.

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      • victoria replied:

        I agree with jayzemine, maybe at first she really wanted Raymond to love her but now she just wants the fame and she’s using it to sell(promote) herself. I really don’t think this relationship would have worked out anyway. Due to all the circumstances. I think because Ray is always so busy, what he really wanted was someone that cares and loves him and someone that was there where he can cuddle and to be with. He wouldn’t have married her. It’s not even a real relationship if he’s not around anyway.

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  45. P. Tan says:

    It is sad to see that Raymond, now at the height of his popularity and fame (maybe not quite yet) should have brought all this trouble upon himself. He has tarnished his reputation and perhaps lost the respect of his fellow workers, especially people that he liked like Linda, Tavia, Charmaine and others. What would his men friends think of him now? He had acted rashly, courting this girl who is definitely not his class and it looks as if he had eyes only for her looks. She is definitely not naive, such girls are never so and know fully what they are up to. This is really a bitter pill that Raymond has to swallow and I hope he has learned his lesson from it.

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    • jenny replied:

      His men frds think this dude is too lucky to have big boobies, his female frds angry at the girl cus they hve smaller boobies, his fans mad at the girl cus they cant be her.

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      • jenny replied:

        Linda, Tavia, Charmaine and others cry nites cus they lost to her younger big boobies girl. Shame on them.

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  46. stmlw20 says:

    Hahaha when i first saw the Title to this news the words “Ham Sup” came to my mind..

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  47. victoria says:

    I disagree. I am a LF fan and still am and it’s because he is really good at what he does and works hard for it. That hasn’t changed.
    There is nothing wrong with liking this MP girl. She created a image for herself and he tried it. It’s lust like all men, nothing wrong with that.
    We girls like dating bad and good looking guys too. But just know that they won’t be around like the nice boys nor are they marriage material.
    Mr. Lam knows this, that’s why he set limits towards their relationship, she’s just gonna be a fling, that’s all…
    so now he knows, and let’s move on.
    I know in the publics eyes everybody expects Raymond to be the perfect guy but he’s only human and we all date good girls, sometimes bad girls but we shouldn’t judge Ray just for that.
    If you are a fan then be real, like him for his acting not for his preference in woman. When the Clinton scandal came out, we were disappointed in our ex-president but that doesn’t mean it makes him a bad president.

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    • Kaye replied:

      truely agree w/ you @victoria!

      ANYWAYS

      no one is perfect, everyone make mistakes!!!!

      like/love raymond for what he is & what he does.. personal stuff don’t worry about it, it’s his life.. his job is to entertain acting & singing!

      for MP i have no say about her but to say its all about attention..

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  48. Liy says:

    Oh, I thought the whole thing already ended but yet still have “special report”. I cant understand a lady while posting her sexy moves, try to act like a good gf buying underwear etc. Raymond lam really met the wrong person. She is really pretty and sexy.. just go for porn. Stop trying to act like an angel as of she is the victim..

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    • lol replied:

      I’m a bit tired of the overexposure of Mavis. She seems like she’s enjoying this exposure and attention.

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    • Kidd replied:

      Uh, posing sexy moves can’t be a good gf who buy underwear for bf?

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  49. P says:

    clean image might equal to wild sex life. Gill is an example.

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