Zhang Ziyi, Chen Kun Criticize Malaysian Government Over Flight 370 Tragedy
On March 24, the Malaysian government officially announced that Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 had crashed into the Indian Ocean without any survivors. Prime Minister Najib Razak’s announcement was made without producing further evidence, and no wreckage has been found of the plane, which has been missing since March 8. Since two-thirds of the plane’s passengers are Chinese, local celebrities Zhang Ziyi (章子怡), Huang Xiaoming (黃曉明), Li Bingbing (李冰冰) and Chen Kun (陳坤) reacted with anger over the Malaysian government’s handling of the missing plane, criticizing its incompetency and accusing it of hiding information.
Zhang Ziyi posted on her Weibo, “Malaysian government, you have hurt the whole world! We are looking for the plane. You are looking for opportunity. Malaysian government, you are wrong today. You have misjudged how a government should handle international politics. You have misjudged the kind of respect a government should have for the people. You have misjudged the Chinese people’s persistence in finding out the truth.”
Huang Xiaoming posted, “I really could not take it anymore. The Malaysian government should give everyone an explanation. Give everyone the truth. Give the deceased respect! We want the truth!”
Chen Kun, who was never one to hold back his words, proclaimed he will indefinitely boycott all Malaysian produce and tourism unless the government provides a satisfactory explanation. He said, “With regards to the Malaysian government and Malaysia Airlines’ clown-like prevarication, lies, and disrespect for my compatriots, I speak for myself that I’m going to boycott Malaysian products and tourism…unless the Malaysian government removes their clown mask and gives us the truth.”
Director Wong Kar Wai (王家衛) expressed his sadness over the disappearance of The Grandmaster’s <一代宗師> stunt coordinator, Ju Kun (鞠坤), who was one of the passengers on board flight MH370. Wong said, “A very sad piece of news. The announcement was so sudden. Don’t even know if there would be more news today. But I will remain hopeful as long as the Malaysian government and the airlines have not found any evidence. I hope Ju Kun’s family will be strong. Hope there’s a miracle.”
Li Bingbing expressed her sorrow and also demanded to know the truth behind the missing plane.
Source: Ming Pao
This article is written by Karen for JayneStars.com.
Our PM NEVER say the word “CRASHED”!
He said “ENDED”!!!
ended, crashed, etc = same thng. not a big issue
Ended and crashed is not the same thing. It is absolutely a big issue to family members of missing passengers. Saying “ended” does not give a clear indication it was indeed a crash. It’s open to interpretation and doesnt shed like to what actually happened. Was it an explosion? Was it terrorism? Faulty mechanics? Or sabotage? We may never know the truth. Even if the black box was found, would the truths ever be revealed to the public? Or would they only reveal what they want us to believe?
It is just a matter of semantics. Aviation experts have claimed that there is no way a Boeing 777 can land safely in water, which makes one to believe that by “ended”, it means “crashed”.
Everyone also wanted to know the “TRUTH” but the problem is, I don’t think the govt get the facts yet!
As if China govt is all good! PUIKKK!!!
China govt is even uglier than Malaysia’s govt!!
Boycott Malaysia products? HAHAHAS! Great!
We don’t need to do the same to China products since most ppls here will avoid anything with a MADE IN CHINA product!!! HUH!!!
Feel free to avoid anything with a MADE IN CHINA product!
uglier? nah both are uglier! malaysia produces things? yeh right! they too busy with suppressing the press! feel bad since the taxpayers in malaysia would have to own up to their pathetic gov mistake
gl avoiding products from china, so much fake stuff from china.
Wow ugly people really know how to make even uglier comments. Make sure to check all the origin of shoes, clothing, accessories etc etc that you buy from now because many are MADE IN CHINA even the most popular US or Japanese brands. Or perhaps these things were never affordable to you in the first place? Waaaaaaaah!
Mockinggenius agreed wif u..
@Mockinggenius: i just wanted to say so. agree with you.
what we are using are mainly produced in China
It’s obvious someone’s a little bias here. China however is not keeping conspiracies on the lives of innocent people on this “crashed plane”. It’s great how they still cannot find the black box ya’ know. But even when they find it, Malaysian government will say ohh guys it was a malfunction of this Boeing 77 plane. no biggie. -_-
Agree some people here like Funn and Jacky are so bias to the Malaysians! This is just like the Caucasians here where I’m at who mocked the Chinese as overdramatic but fawning and crying over an attention seeking Malaysian teenager who can’t stop tweeting about her dad when she should be grieving instead of spending time on twitter!
mmhmm & the rage on governments very unnecessary. The whole handling of the 2 guys that got on the flight using someone’s identity, this just raises questions on how safe are we with those on the plane with us. This isn’t just a government issue on post accusations of plane crash, this is also the way this airline’s unprofessional handling of regulations.
Why blame everything on Malaysian government when so many countries are involved in looking for the plane? Malaysia will get the same information as all the other countries taking part in the search. I’m sure the Chinese government will be as updated as M’sian government in the issue given how invested that are in this missing plane. If the Chinese government think M’sia is hiding facts, they can announced those facts themselves.
how can they announce it if MAS+team in malaysia is withholding info?
Why are you making it seem like malaysias not at fault? You’re saying that its not a problem for someone to get on a plane with fake documents? Its not just the government as i said above i also said the airline. How about stop being bias and look at why majority believes malaysia’s responsibility towards this dreadful incident.
thinner, leave the girl alone. She shows her grief in a different manner other than howling and chair throwing.
The Beijing relatives should also learn a thing or two about courtesy, instead of making themselves look so ‘ugly’ to the world by being rough, rude,violent and out of control.
Everybody grieved but not the way they do.
And I wonder what’s all the intense anger is about, why do the rest of the 20 over nationalities not make such a BIG commotion and BIG fuss?
You should have seen and hear the comments at the daily news briefing for the relatives, they are so uncouth.
China Chinese is totaly different from Chinese in HK, Taiwan, Singapore and Malaysia.
I am a regular pro-China opinioned person, but on this, I find my ‘idol’ Zhang Ziyi and that lesser pretty boy, Huang Xiaoming are either misled, or influenced too much by the media.
Your comments altered my perception of both of you.
AS a Malaysian I don’t mind them criticizing the Malaysian government (because that’s democracy and freedom of speech) but I hope they were not exploiting the tragedy to get their names into print, which I suspect they were.
I presume you know the right protocol regarding grieving. Put on your best suit, dark sunglasses with heads bowed in dignity when you face the press. Try doing that when you have lost your only child or whole family to an unexplained plane crash. Perhaps you will be cool enough to appear “pretty” in grief, of course I will send you my blessings that you will never experience such tragedy.
Mockinggenius, you say and write like the fool that you are.
You grieved by crying, not howling. You feel sad by inner emotions, not outburst.
You don’t have to dress in black like at a funeral, leave that to the very celebrities who criticized. They are the ones who add fashion even in time of death.
Their insidious mocking and rantings at the Beijing Lido hotel daily briefings puts the Chinese people to shame. Bet you don’t know that.
You are one of those mocking, mocking others is in your blood hence your name.
What is all comment about how Chinese grieved???
Everyone/every nation has different act and culture. Not saying that, this is NOT normal incident.
And most of the victims are Chinese. The Chinese families member gather together in tremendous grieved. When people gather together they will affect each others and have more power >> including power to grieve, upset, angry and fight!
When others nation victims beside MAS and Chinese, are grieving in their own home, and they also have different culture to react.
Please respect other culture!!!
The mystery of not knowing exactly what happened is very painful. They will live uncertainty through their entire life.
IT IS common sense to understand how they must be feeling…
@local boy
I agree that the Malaysian government have no clue what happened to the plane. They are doing the best they could simply do. I do feel bad for the Malaysian government since people won’t rely on Malaysia airlines, some people may not choose to travel to Malaysia now, and on the extreme side some people won’t support Malaysian made products. The suffering is just about to start for Malaysia.
i dont get it..
what truth? and what is the malaysian government trying to hide? o____o
someone explain to me please….
dont trust anyones words. no one knows what happened except for the incompetent investigators
They withheld the flight information since day 1 and could have done rapid response if the international community pitch in for help right away.
Almost two weeks later, you think there survivors now?
This is a fallacy. From day 1 the international team was there advising the govt. So called withheld information? Are we to be like Vietnam, every debris and every ship rushes there to find nothing? After a while we had to be careful. I do believe they have suspected for some time where the plane is but needed the calculations, the proof which was later provided. If a plane crashed into sea, and THAT sea, there won’t be any survivors. The response in light of the circumstances is rapid. And everyone keeps blaming Malaysia for not finding the plane. May I know redirect everyone’s attention to the fact many nations are involved, they too can’t find the plane. Now Australia is taking over and they’re still looking.
Anger is one thing, mob mentality with wanting the truth when truth is given yet they can’t accept is becoming impossible to empathise with. And the Chinese govt organising those protests is simply inexcusable.
In fact they wanted the satellite data, we have handed over the data.
How can Malaysia withheld any information when so many countries involved?
Like our Acting Transport Minister said, the Chinese wants the answer to the ultimate question; what happened and he can’t answer this until the debris/plane/boxes are found.
its not sea its Indian ocean. if your gonna go all defensive for poor old malaysia, at least get facts right.
and way be4 the australian was in charge, USA already warned MAS to check indian ocean. did they listen ? nope. ignored. wasted even more time when us told them to check.
Funn, don’t insult those people who chose to protest at the Malaysian embassy in Beijing. It was neither arranged or encouraged by the government. A distant relative, a widow have lost her entire family on this plane crash. She joined the protest because she wanted and had to do something because there is no outlet for her grief. Perhaps if one day you have to face the same situation you will be able to sit back and relax and say “whatever”. Of course I will give you my blessings that you will never have to face such pain.
“It was neither arranged or encouraged by the government.”
Since you recommended CNN I will recommend the same and you read what’s there and then come back and tell me if the above statement is not true.
No I am not blind nor deaf but you all chose to have selective reading.
Everyone wants the truth; so do we. But what is the question?
Where is the plane?
Somewhere in the Indian ocean
What happened to the plane?
Only the blackbox will tell us
Where are the survivors?
No survivors
But that’s not what they want to hear. They want to hear we’ve found the plane, the survivors are marooned in South Pole.
No I am not blind nor deaf but you all chose to have selective reading.
this also you.
funn- stop saying the black box would help. thats only if they ever find it.. that is, if MAS is competent enough.
There is no description for someone who doesn’t feel pain, hopelessness, anguish. Even some species of animals will mourn when they see their own kind have fallen ill or dead. Shout your almighty lungs to defend the incompetence of the Malaysian authorities, at the end of the day they will be the ones to face these 230+ lost souls. By the way I am still waiting for your answer as to why it took the M authorities over 5 hours to announce that they have lost contact with the plane?
Finn, this question over the delay wad raised by many people as reported in CNN but the Malaysian authorities choose not to respond. Perhaps you being so informative will know more.
why did it take them 15 days to annouce the cargo? why did the incompetent officals reject what the US had to say? Why did the malaysian gov complain about vietnam when satellite images can be wrong too? it ironic for malaysian to assume that it ended in indian ocean.. why didnt it land anywhere else? obv. if its human error, then the person didnt want ppl to find the plane.
CNN is a reliable news. They have been criticizing the Malaysians since day one Funn. Get out of tour bubble and stop being insensitive towards the Chinese families.
“its not sea its Indian ocean. if your gonna go all defensive for poor old malaysia, at least get facts right. “
Picking on semantics, very good argument.
“By the way I am still waiting for your answer as to why it took the M authorities over 5 hours to announce that they have lost contact with the plane?”
Really? The first hour it lost contact, I already get the news. I remember I keep counting the hours anxious.
do u live in malaysia, kidd?
“CNN is a reliable news. They have been criticizing the Malaysians since day one Funn. Get out of tour bubble and stop being insensitive towards the Chinese families.”
CNN reliable, really? If you’ve been following CNN closely, you’d know that they have been throwing out numerous conspiracy theories out there, just to see what would stick on the wall and peddling those as news. Also, fyi, CNN reporters Jim Clancy and Richard Quest have both defended the Malaysian authorities in so far as hiding the truth. Clancy said that MAS has made mistakes but they are trying to help those chinese families and are working on it.
I am no fan of the Malaysian Govn’t, they are plainly incompetent and out of their depth, but to say that they are hiding the truth is a stretch. They don’t have the equipment nor capability to interpret the raw data and need international help. If there is a coverup, then it is a coverup between goverments. Who knows which military shot down the plane?
CNN reliable…lol
“Also, fyi, CNN reporters Jim Clancy and Richard Quest have both defended the Malaysian authorities in so far as hiding the truth. Clancy said that MAS has made mistakes but they are trying to help those chinese families and are working on it. ”
Yes I saw that segment. The task ahead is almost impossible. So much hindrance, difficulties. I hope they can find some debris, and when the subs arrive, the all important black boxes. To give the family (not just the chinese families) some closure and to explain what happened.
“I am no fan of the Malaysian Govn’t, they are plainly incompetent and out of their depth,”
Because this has never happened before, and not in this magnitude. Any country would have feel out of their depth. But Malaysia managed to get assistance from many nations (except Indonesia?) and everyone is making a huge effort to salvage the situation. It is quite touching really. I understand the family’s anguish, so many false news, so many hope that turned hopeless but I wonder are they being told differently in China? Everyone wants proof. I want proof too. Even the pilot’s son wants proof. But the calculations already confirm the worst end; the plane crashed. Acceptance is hard but so many days have passed. I do think our govt did withheld information but that is because they need to clarify it. We were forthcoming in the satellite data, unlike some other countries. Even China themselves were slow in this. Accusations about us giving wrong directions, etc but now experts are acknowledging no one knows what happened. Maybe we now know where it happened. The best evidence is the plane and black box. Everything else is circumstantial but in the likes of so much circumstantial evidence, it is not wrong to draw the only conclusion. You may scoff on INmarsat and what they did but maths did solve a lot of the riddles of the universe. Problem is when our authorities said A, someone said B, another said C which is why at long last our acting transport minister just said listen to me. I am no fan of this govt, I am not a fan of our acting transport minister and his episode with the keris and I am certainly not a fan of our PM, but I think it is one thing to say they’re out of their depth, another to say they’re incompetent and terribly unfair to say they’re hiding things like maliciously. In this situation, anyone will be out of depth and since we have never had such a scale of disaster before, we are incompetent. But we are advised by the experts and everyone is looking for the plane. Protestings and shouting murderers and throwing bottles may vent their anger but is terribly unfair to many people.
Yup, finding the blackbox is absolutely crucial to help piece together what happened to flight MH370. This incident will have a huge impact to the future of the airline industry, much like how the tragedy of Titanic changed the shipping industry safety standards. This is the reason why so many countries are willing to work together to help find MH370 (not because of Malaysia’s great relations with them).
The US only offer to lend their advanced black box finder after 3 weeks. Why take them so long, you should also asked that.
Now the finder have only 2 days to find the ping, as it will only arrived to te Indian ocean next week. talk about delays, who’s delaying what?
This is a complex operation, so everybody made ‘errors’, some of them crucial as it is a matter of life.
They’re nearby and coming as soon as our PM announced the awful news.
I wonder where are they parked?
Air France took 2 years even when the signal died out so it is possible. But I read Indian Ocean is very very deep.
Just read search called off again due to bad weather. What does bad weather mean? Rain? High wind?
“Protestings and shouting murderers and throwing bottles may vent their anger but is terribly unfair to many people.”
I feel sorry for the MAS staff that were sent to Beijing to face the chinese families. They became the target of the families wrath, getting yelled at and water bottles thrown at them. The MAS employee and his chinese tranlators are just trying to do their jobs, but they were made to cry and treated like criminals by the chinese relatives.
Why separate the victims of MH370 by nationalities? 239 lives were lost, be they white, black, yellow or brown in skin color. The head steward of MH370, Andrew Nari was a member of the church my aunt attends. People who knew him said he was a very kind man, and he was a personal friend of the priest. He often arranged free upgrades for the parish priest whenever he travelled on MAS. Tragedies like this usually happen to other countries, and we watch them unfold on tv, but when it hits so close to home like this case, it is a bit surreal. Makes you realise that we humans are not in control of many things, and we never know when or how our end would be. This is why so many are freaked out by this vanishing plane incident, it is unprecedented and seems like it could be wriiten as the script of a James Bond movie.
The world is big when searching for the plane but I realise is also small because someone knows someone who knows someone on the plane. I also know someone who knows many on the plane, she works for MAS. She was very sad because she knew the crew, they were colleagues and friends. Now I read so many knew someone who knew someone on the plane. How small is the world when it is about relationships. And yet how big that we can’t find the plane. I realise the monumental task ahead. I read how some families are suicidal which I emphatise with. Life goes on. Waiting here or there with no concrete news will play tricks on someone’s mind. Perhaps time to move on and wait whilst moving on with life. Maybe Air France’s families can shed some light how they could wait for 2 years. BUT they had one advantage. They discovered bodies within a week so to them there is a certain closure in terms of where is the plane. By the articles about the Indian Ocean, I am afraid there might be such closure for the families and friends. Meanwhile feelings are running high with the Chinese leading the pack and I feel the chinese govt is not helping much in that regards. I just hope no one gets hurt.
You are making a mockery of your own politicians. For Mr. A to give an in depth interview to SCMP and denying outright that he knows the pilot at such a sensitive time either shows that he is a big liar or the most stupid person. He claims that he only knows that the pilot is a member of his party but he has never exchanged a word with him. After reporters found out about his lie he refused to comment further. Of course I know who my relatives are although I may not see them often, there’s no need to lie unless the truth is too ugly.
Funn, frankly I dont give a s____ how you feel about tbe Malaysian Government, you have absolutely no right to tell how the bereaved people in China or KL should act. You commented how they were organized by the PRC authorities to protest. Were you in Beijing? By the way the leader of the Malaysian opposition party told HK SCMP that he only knew the pilot as a party member but not well accquinted, the next day reporters found out they were in fact related. M politicians are a joke.
Well spoken, mockinggenius. obviously funn is still in her own little bubble, thinking every nation has some fault, when this happened primarily to mas.
Did MAS crash the plane themselves? Was the plane poorly maintained? Did the plane spontaneously combust due to technical failure? No one knows so how can you blame MAS? No one knows what is going on, and they’re still hard at work searching for clues. And it was well organised. See the news, see the article. Since someone here quoted CNN, I quote CNN too. I know you don’t give a s____ to what I say because whatever I say you will disagree. I never told them how they should act; I am telling you I disagree with how they act. That isnot wrong. As for the whole well acquinted thing, do you know all your relatives?
Pfffft ! No wonder everywhere people around the world dislike mainlander .Not only Chinese PRC lost their love one but other nationalities as well . Look at OZ , Canada , NZ ,US n etc they not even behaved rude and barbaric like them , oh so if you losing your love one that mean you can act like that huh ? Please dun bring the one child policies issues and blame other countries …as you know your government the one stopping your guy breeding .Talking about hidding the truth , there’s no countries as good as China 😀 .
Slapping Smart, please prepare a nice chic suit, snappy black sunglasses so when you lose a loved member in I your family or friend etc (assuming that you are not a complete loner) you will be well prepared to grief in style and dignity. Tears or grieving out loud are definitely bad manners for cool folks like you. Waaaaah I cry for those related to you.
lol @Mockinggenius , mocking other people dun give a s_t that my same word for ya i dun give a S_T about your opinion as well . YUUUp this prove that u breeding in one “child Policies ” attitude bingo , well am more positive at least i feel proud for your parents and people around you ( unless they a same bunch of kind attitude) . Clap my hand for ya 😀
Slapping Smart Ass : Yes I am from PRC, an only child, what else?? This is so hilarious. I suggest you go back to school because your standard of written English is so….., Grade 5 standard compared to the people here, you are an insult to wherever you received your education, oops I have almost forgotten that you must hail from some glorious countries.
Mockinggenuius, if Funn were not in Beijing, then are you?
You seems to be the Mr-know-it-all here.
You are just some armchair critic thinking you are so smart to know how relatives feel. you must have lost a lot of close families to have so much of first hand empathy about bereavement.
Local Boy, a distant relative of mine, a widow lost her entire family in this plane crash, is this a satisfactory answer. I have enough contacts in Beijing to understand the situation. There is no need to have experienced bereavement in order to feel pain for all those who have lost their lives, it’s nature to most humans. Of course there are people who will take even this tragic occasion to poke fun at PRC Chinese people. I suggest you to take a good look in the mirror perhaps you will be surprised at your own reflection.
Hey Mockingginus wether my English as great as you that not importance but at least I don’t behave such a attitude like you that enough .Sorry I am not interested to know where about you from coz your attited obviously can tell where you from or belong . Wether hail or whatever in other countries where I belong that not importance but as long from country that produce low quality produce , fake produce , toxic food and produce barbaric nation that is my concern . Blocking FB , twitter and censor weibo that make nation living in la la land . I should go back to school ? …lol yup let me school you first before you ask me to do that …but at least I don’t buy fake certificate or fake driving license 🙂 .
Artists should stay out of politics. They’re simply riding the wave of negative public sentiment now. I find such behaviour silly and immature. There were citizens of other countries on board that flight but the Chinese only care about their “compatriots”. Human life are all of equal value. It’s obvious who the real “opportunists” are.
Celebrities are so stupid giving opinion on the situation of MIA plane. Yes politics should not be mixed into the discussions and could be damage control to their image as well.
Can’t blame them since their job is acting they think that they are now in a Movie maybe portraying a relative of one of the passengers.
Might appear that way but it’s actually because they know someone on the flight, thus their high emotions.
You might also want to look at the news sites that ran articles about “257 passengers on board, including 3 americans”. They aren’t the only ones who make a big deal about their own compatriots. But 154 vs 3. I would say they are somewhat justified
You made a good point Harry! I have noticed that that is how human nature tends to be. They want to help and care for their own kind only because even when there are disasters,they would want to help their own people only and not care about anyone else. Of course not everyone is like that,but that is a trend that I generally see.
Yes…artists should stay out of politics! Don’t condemn a government when nobody knows what really happened!
Best comment I’ve read so far.
Unbiased…or atleast if there was any it was put aside, I didn’t detect it. Unlike all previous entries.
Let the professionals get on with their work instead of fielding off theories.
Let’s help those left behind get on with their lives.
Agree with you!
” Let the professionals get on with their work instead of fielding off theories.”
“Let’s help those left behind get on with their lives.”
I do not find anything wrong with artists being involved in politics as long as it is necessary and they know their limit. Also if they have a good intention then I do not see the big deal.
What did you say Zhang Ziyi and co when your own Chinese fellow(wo)man mixed melamine into formula milk and killed so many babies? What did you say when a toddler was ran over several times on a busy road in China yet no one help? What did you say when the son of a Chinese high ranking official knocked someone down in his flashy car and challenged onlookers to report him?
ZZY and co – you are entitled to criticise. But take a look at your own backyard first, see what your own people are doing to their fellow citizens before condemning.
No Primrose you don’t understand the Chinese situation, you can’t expect the Chinese to criticize their government publicly in weibo or anything, they need to survive and be careful too. Maybe you should try to visit China and felt how it feels when you can’t access Facebook and Twitter.
I live in an SAR which is part of China. So celebs can’t bash their own government and they jump at any chance to bash some other govt? I really don’t know what to make of that?
Exactly, Primrose. These chinese artistes are hypocrites trying to score points with their comments. Like China’s human rights record is anything to be proud of…shyeah.
good points primrose,its just too hypocrite to blame other country while you dont say a word if there are so many social problems in your own country.
i lolled on the argument that they have to survvive and be careful,it just emphasize more the hypocrite in them.
Agree
@ Primrose, felicity
Totally agree. These chinese artists are just trying to score points with their comments. Going along with majority public’s sentiment are a sure way to gain more fans and popularity. Maybe they learn from Li Bing Bing who was praised for her patriotism for refusing to promote RE in Japan.
I don’t see them voicing their opinion on many injustices, mistake, incompetency in in their own backyard.
@ Thinner
“you can’t expect the Chinese to criticize their government publicly in weibo or anything, they need to survive and be careful too. “
So, can criticise own government, turn to criticise another countries government?
Gotta vent their anger somewhere… like how the protest was done.
Yup, riding the wave of oublic sentiment us right. Would Zhang Ziyi and Li Bing Bing be so bold as to publicly criticise the american government if the flight had been on a USA plane? Hell no,they wouldn’t dare risk the wrath of the american public and lose their chance at hollywood fame. Malaysia is a small and relatively insignificant country. This is mob mentality – everyone gang up and kick the weakest boy in class when you know he can’t fight back.
A simpler question. Would that have been so bold if the flight is China origin? Remember the tickets as well?
Agree.
An artist is also a citizen of the country. The name artist is just an occupation, just like us, a banker or a doctor or teacher. There is no law saying that an artist should distance themselves from politic and nobody can deny their right to voice out. By the way, I am not on anybody side.
feel sorry for the families, esp. young children who now have to live the fact that their parents have died, w/o solid evidence.
mas giving $5000 US is nice but it do not recover the loss and ever be enough. mas has destory many families. should be banned in the airline industry
MAS has destroyed 154 families. I have never taken MAS and will never take it. Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific and Korea Air are the best with no incidents!
Singapore Airlines crashed in Taipei in 2000. 83 out of 179 pax and crew were killed. Pilot took off from the wrong runway – which was under construction.
Only 154 people onboard have families? The other 85 doesn’t matter as a human being?
Wow, just wow.
cathay pacific in at number 3 on global rank for world safest airline, great! but Singapored Airlines had one destroyed plane with 83 total deaths of passenger and at number 30 of the safest airlines in the world. Korean Air is on a different level! Korean Air is at number 5 in global rank for world’s unsafest airlines with 9 destroyed plane and total deaths of 687 passengers. so much with no incidents~
US$5000 is too little.
US$5000 is preliminary amount to help out stricken family. Not the actual payout.
” Family members could claim as much as US$175,000 (RM578,000) for every passenger aboard MH370 even if the Malaysia Airlines jet is not located, a Bloomberg report says.”
While it said millions more could be paid out to the 227 passengers’ families, The Telegraph said insurers are keeping a close eye on the search as terrorism or negligence could change the amount that they would have to pay.
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In interviews with The Malay Mail Online, lawyers have urged families to seek legal advice before signing documents for compensation from airlines and their insurers.
Lawyers had also previously told The Malay Mail Online that families of those on Beijing-bound flight MH370 can already start claiming for compensation even before the discovery of the plane and bodies.
At a minimum, an international aviation treaty — the Montreal Convention — allows the next-of-kin of the plane’s 227 passengers to seek up to US$175,000 (RM573,475) each without proving any fault with MAS.
MH370 and the 239 people on board disappeared less than an hour after the Beijing-bound flight left Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 12.41am on March 8.
Search operations involving 26 countries are still being carried out, with sighting of debris possibly linked to the plane in recent days touted as “credible leads” and raising hopes of the plane’s discovery.
min. 175000 x 227 passengers= 3,972,500 in min. payout.
It will be more than that.
And the fault isn’t Malaysia alone
^ oh yes it is. for not reporting it ASAP.. stalled it for several hours before reporting.
Hahahah nice one @Thinner , Asiana crashed in SF On July 6 2013 and one chinese girl killed coz hit where she was run over by an airport crash tender before being covered in fire-fighting foam .Good luck for ya one way ticket and prepare another few ticket for ya family to Korea and America chinese embassies for in case 😉
huh?
Do you think mas or malaysian really want this event happened? Just don talk or spread the rubbish word about what had happened. Why no judging US about 911? Everyone is also concerned about this matter. They should join the volunteers to comfort or something that really benefit those to victim family members….Really annoying about this kind people.
Kuv
nothing done by volunteers can benefit the family members, they lost their loved ones, lives forever changed. those that where on business trips to beijing forever changed.
They have and still have people doubting US government involved 911.
Candy, those 100+++ people killed by knife wielding Xinjiang terrorists also lives forever changed.
I didn’t see you creating a commotion?????
All world news is skewed one way or the other by the media but I wonder just how skewed the news reporting is on MAS disaster on the Chinese media – print, tv and radio. Even the tame TVB evening news on its sister Guangdong TVB tv channel is often preempted with some innocuous cooking show because its ‘sensitive’ news is deemed too politically ‘sensitive’ by the higher ups.
The below news excerpt succinctly described the victims’ families’ present state of mind besides total devastation, and Chinese government’s balancing act to control the high emotional charged situation.
Zhang Lifan, a Beijing-based independent commentator, said such mistrust is part of life in China.
“Chinese citizens live in an environment where information is not transparent and they naturally assume that the authorities, whether Chinese or otherwise, are misinforming them,” Zhang said, adding that people have “the default position of feeling cheated.”
China’s government has gone out of its way to be seen as supporting the passengers’ relatives. Normally extremely wary of any demonstrations that could undermine social stability, authorities permitted Tuesday’s rare protest at the Malaysian Embassy in which relatives chanted slogans, threw water bottles and briefly tussled with police who kept them separated from a swarm of journalists.
The government must “show that it is actively defending the rights of Chinese citizens. They’re wary of further developments beyond their control so they need to do what they can to accommodate the family members,” Zhang said.
[..] Some of the Chinese relatives may have an especially hard time dealing with the loss of loved ones because of China’s one-child policy, which means an entire family generation, or even two, can be wiped out in a single incident, China expert Bo Zhiyue of the University of Singapore said.
Easy for you to say Clamine, the Chinese lost their family members, what’s wrong in grieving?
I kept hearing this; “We want to know the truth”. But what is your question? What truth you want to know when the truth is already said;
1. we don’t know what happened
2. the plane’s flight ended in the southern indian ocean.
What these celebrities should have done is to try to stop the rumours mongering and stop adding oil to fire, instead their behaviour is the same as everyone else.
” Prime Minister Najib Razak’s announcement was made without producing further evidence”
The evidence is produced. For a country that has 5000 years of history, the proof they want is the plane and black box. the evidence produced is a sound mathematical calculation based on several principles that every expert which I am sure Malaysia consulted with agreed. So we know where the plane is. In the ocean. But how and why will depend on the black box.
It is very easy to blame Malaysia when even China themselves wouldn’t have been forthcoming with the date. Even their ships couldn’t find anything. We may be grasping at eveery news of debris, etc because we are as desperate as everyone else to find the plane, survivors, the cause. China act as if we did not care because the plane is full of China people. They’ve forgotten the next majority were Malaysians.
The truth? The ugly truth is they’re all dead.
satelllite image could be fake, false. could be a gigantic piece of trash
Tell that to Vietnam who keep hyping that they found debris and led everyone to go to the debris but actually was just trash, and I heard that they don’t let any of the SAR team to enter their sea space whether from US or China although they don’t have technology for the search.
Asian nations seriously have problems with each other.
Vietnam did allow other countries to join the search in their sea area. And they have enough technologies for searching including radar, ships and trained human sources. The thing they assumed as the tail of the plan has been sent to Msia government. Stop believing any piece of news given by western.
From the news clips that I’ve seen, Vietnam is using a mediocre aircraft and an old uncle to carry out the SAR. Better leave it to the P3 Orions and P8 Poseidon! On the first week the US P3 Orions were only tasked to search the Malacca Straits and Andaman sea, and never entered Vietnam airspace.
CNN is more reliable than Asian news.
There is two ways to read your message…You are too rational(cold) or you are just too insenstive
If one day, you find yourself acting hysterical or irrational…please remember someone out there will respond to you the way you are responding to this now..and at that time, please remember this is how you had reacted SO do not blame anyone for being insensitive
Its painful to have your love ones die and its worse to know that you will never know if it is true and why so
they dont want evidence. they want to know what it was to led to malysian folks to conclude it ended in indian ocean without any survivors. it was a chinse satetilte that also found some debris. does it need to be a ship? no.
Exactly and all the Malaysians were telling the families was that they concluded it from some Mathematical calculation from Inmatsat satellite company. The families want the truth, not to be showed slides of Mathematical and Physics high school doplar effect theorem!
exactly.
I am not sure if you have followed the briefings made by the authorities. If you have, you’ll noticed the inconsistencies such as when the Malaysian government knew that the plane turned back towards the straits of malacca, the vague inference that the change in the flight plan was done by someone on board, most presumably the pilot who was also said to be a supporter of a opposition political party and the latest gem that dropped out from our PM’s red, ruby mouth: “assume beyond a reasonable doubt” the the flight ended at the south of the Indian Ocean.
As an onlooker, I am confused by all the information given. I didn’t even bother about the theories being made by so many people but just by reading up and listening to the briefings, I am confused. And this is me, an onlooker, with no ties to anyone on MH370. Can you imagine the bewilderment the families of those of the passengers and crew of MH370 when confronted with unhelpful briefings like these?
This may be unprecedented tragedy but our government could have handled it better. This is the point. If they have handled it with more thoughts on how to convey their messages, accusations of hiding information would not have been hurled incessantly at them.
Seriously, “assume beyond a reasonable doubt”? What kind of language is that? If our PM is sure that there were no survivors, say so but back it up with truth. Say that the experts have calculated that the plane crashed into the ocean and with that kind of crash, it will be hard pressed to locate survivors or debris. As opposed to something as forthright as that, he chose to be coy which gives no comfort to anyone.
In my heart of hearts, I believed the worst has happened: that MH370 is lost to us forever but surely, for the sake of the families of the passengers and crew, information to be disseminated to them could have been done with more precision without giving people the feeling that our government is playing hide and seek.
Well said. One more thing, the TUDM assumed that a plane that appeared on their radar has the authority and approval to do so. When national security is concern you don’t assume. With such security displayed by our authority, I am not surprise why two passengers of MH370 can use fake passport to check in.
Malaysia govt sucks! i pity the malaysian chinese who always get bully by these idiot moron govt.
@angelababy2: malaysian gov+chinese gov + most asian gov are corrupted 2 its core
Wong Jing also said in his weibo about this and urging the malaysian chinese to overthrow the malays. I don’t understand the exact situation but geez this made the malaysian chinese look so weak compared to their mainland compatriots! Wong Jing is from Malaysia too?
Yes, BN the ruling party in Malaysia is corrupt as hell and a bunch of useless goons. But how can the Malaysian Chinese overthrow the Malaysian govn’t when ethnic Malays make up over 60% of the population? Chinese M’sians are a minority in this country, they can’t vote out the government by themselves without the help of the Malays. Most Malays are too insecure and afraid of losing their special position in Malaysia if they vote in the opposition.
if 122 objects were indeed related, it means there was a gigantic explosion.
Thats true… like TWU flight 800
Flight TWU 800 is believed by many to be a huge cover up. It was allegedly shot down by an American military missile.
Correction – it’s flight TWA800.
no, it blown up to pieces.
Of course it’s blown up into a million pieces, do you think the plane could still be intact after being shot at by a missile? TWA800 disintegrated in the sky. Why did the plane go down? The are many eyewitnesses (americans in the area where the plane went down) who swore that they saw the plane getting shot at by what looked like a missile, with telltale smoke trails. That whole incident has never been cleared up to this day.
Malai si ah compatriots! Let’s boycott all china movies and their artists….especially Zhang Zi Yi.
Is she any better during the Si Chuan Earthquake? She squandled the money…..
seriously, if the announce the flight passengers death right away, you guy say that they are cold heart, and doing nothing…
they annonced later, samething, i just don’t get why people complaint about…
totally agree.
lets face it. it’s been 19 days? it’s so obvious they are dead. impossible to survive in the ocean for that long.
what else do the Chinese people want to know about the truth???
What’s with the bogus announcement about ending in Indian Ocean which was derived from some high school level Mathematical theory? The Chinese want definite answers about the plane’s fate, not some theoratical information from random mathematical calculation from the 19th century!
Truth? What truth do they want??
a. All died – Noooo…wont accept it
b. Still missing – Noooo..wont accept it
c. Still alive – Noooo…cant be
China think they are the only ones who lost their love ones?
Malaysia lost theirs too
Indonesia lost theirs too
Australia lost theirs too
& many more also lost their too
Each & every one of these country grieved silently with dignity!!
China are the only Drama Queens & Drama Kings here. Screaming, Wailing & Dropping themselves to the floor.
We feel their grieve & is equally sorry about what happened & the Malaysian Government has done what it can under the circumstances, what more do you want??
Nah. The 17 year old Malaysian girl is annoying me with her tweets and now she’s all over the global news. Geez, nobody tweet like crazy on twitter after their father died and she also can still smile sweetly when her father is missing for two weeks? I smell attention seeking teenager.
And apparently so many people fell for it including the westerners! I’m so annoyed at some of my Caucasian friend over here who said the Chinese were overreacting but want to cry at the teenagers tweets? Double standard on Chinese!
Thinner, you need to thin out!!!!!
Stop pot stirring.
Other nations are involved. Families of victims need an answer. Let’s pray that they get that soon.
As for the 17 year old girl Maira, she lost her dad who is the head of the stewards. Maybe that’s her way of coping. She doesn’t need your criticism.
No one is stirring the pot. We are just sympathizing with the Chinese families who wants the TRUTH that the Malaysians can’t or won’t give. China has sent officials to talk to the authority and still no truths coming out. That’s why these 154 families are beyond griefs and anger now. Where are the truths? Everyday the CNN reports different and conflicting news from the Malaysians who are slow and has no definite answers for two weeks.
I have never seen anyone grieving by tweeting non stop. Do you see the Chinese doing that? No, only this kid is doing this.
Thinner, no one is denying that the truth needs to be told. In order to do so the plane needs to be found. We have to trust that those involved in the search are doing their best because you and I are sure as hell not out there doing it!!!!
What I’m saying is your attitude is not helping.
As for Maira, give her a break. She’s only 17. She’s probably dying inside for losing someone dear to her like the rest of the victims’ families. They need our support not our criticism and judgement.
Calm down and back off!!!!!
@ Thinner. And grieving by smashing chairs is ok as opposed to tweeting? I sympathize with the Chinese NOKs just as I sympathize with the Malaysian NOKs. And Thinner, if you are really compassionate about the whole incident, please do not divide Chinese vs Malaysian NOKs. They are all victims, including this poor girl who’s father was doing his job on the flight.
Well said!
It’s easy to sit in the comfort of your armchair and criticise. The MH flight was a code share with China Southern. If it was a China Southern flight that went missing, do you think the Chinese governemt would have and could have handled it any differently? I am neither Malaysian nor mainland Chinese. I emphatise with the Chinese NOKs. I agree Malaysia did not show it was competent in handling the matter. But I respect everything that Malaysia and ALL other nations helping with the search did, except for the bomohs and their coconuts.
Fair comment!
I am an ex Malaysian.
Totally agreed the Msia govt did not handle the disaster well in the beginning BUT is China govt any better???
SARS was a typical example.
They were covering up as well!!
Instead of blasting Msia on the internet, help the family members of MH370.
I worked in the airline industry for 18 years.
The Chinese are one of the worst passengers.
They often ignore safety rules onbroad.
why k should we help the victims? not our business. let the country who in charge to help them! happened to their airline, not anywhere else. y should the western countries interfere with such bogus country?
China doesn’t have a missing plane!
Oh Really?! Done your homework on that yet?
missing plane, i don’t know. but china airlines are number one in global rank for the unsafest airlines in the world with total 8 destroyed planes and total death of 755 passengers. you can google it 🙂
eureongie: its 8 hulls, 755 dead. but MAS: 227+100+34= 361 dead. 47% of 755.
The Chinese are one of the worst passengers.
They often ignore safety rules onbroad.
So stereotypical. maybe some chinese ignore, but what about those foreign chinese? like linda chung, etc?
Wow! I want to boycott those celebrities too..
So it’s ok for Funn to bash the grieving Chinese family members and not for others to criticize Funn’s insensitive words?
It is a very sad thing to happen..
Many news went viral on the internet…true or not no one knows…
The way it was handled by the leading investigator…its definitely their best BUT the problem is, is it good enough AND is it possible that another team could do a better job?
What we have been seeing/hearing/reading does not speak much about the leading investigator
Based on CNN’s coverage and criticisms I’m sure the US, UK, Aussie, SG and Japan can do a better job. They have all the technologies and sufficient military expertise!
again with CNN-who said that Kuala Lumpur was in Indonesia LOL can you give other reference? US, UK, Aussie, SG and Japan can do a better job? okay, how many days past now since they have been helping to search for the missing plane? already find it?
I do not wish to get in the war, but if I may say something in my opinion,
1. The Malaysian government is incompetent. However, I do not think they are deliberately hiding the truth. They do not want to release news unless it’s confirmed. Otherwise it would be like giving false hope and wrong leads. They made mistakes here and there but it seems they tried their best. In the beginning, it seems that operations was just so messy with so much conflicting news from so many parties with no clear leadership.
2. The relatives have the right to grieve but the sad truth is that there are no survivors. However, celebrities that vent their anger at Malaysians are a little insensitive. Malaysians lost a lot of loved ones too. They too did not want it to happen. If they can just wait, I think the black box will eventually be recovered. In the case of Air France, it took 5 years. Hopefully it will take a shorter time for this incident.
3. Air travel has always been touted as the safest mode of transport. This tragedy has really shaken the world. I for one hope there will be new measures implemented because honestly I’m a little iffy about taking a plane right now.
most ppl would be iffy about taking a plane. cruise ships > airplanes imo
Cruise ship is not safer. Titantic!!!
There’s risk in traveling. There have been so many crashes in the past. Watch discovery channel on air crashes. Its scary.
Flying is still the fastest way of travel, but the survival rate is almost zero if there is any crash.
Cruise ships are much slower but safer as the survival rate is better than zero if there is any accident.
Agree with you on your points, Danielle.
Air france case is TWO years
Agree with Points # 1 and # 2.
I also agree with Point # 3.
Agree with Sandcherry on points #1 and #2 except I don’t really agree that flying is the safest mode, but I will admit that I am also iffy with flying.
I would not say flying is the safest mode, but accidents happen to any modes of transportation, including driving, sailing, flying or even walking when something falls from above. Accident is accident. No one can avoid it if it happens.
Flying is a necessity until teleportation is invented.
Beam me up, Scotty!
American style : Where to?
Malaysian style : Sorry, out of order.
Hopefully it will take a shorter time for this incident.
ain’t going to happen. maybe in their dream worlds! 5+ years.
This news article says the satellite images are the “first real clue”.
First “real” clue? You mean the military radar report or the other satellite that picked up an automated single from the plane weren’t genuine clues? If so, why is some vague photo of some white thing in the ocean the first “real” clue?
Whenever I read reports such as the one presented here I can’t help but wonder if I’m being fed misinformation. You know. The kind that the police on rare occasions give the media to throw a suspect in hiding off track, making them think the police have no idea of what’s going on when in fact they do.
Why, for instance, is the last graphic in this report only showing the southern position of the airplane? That red line is only half of the possible March 8 flight path. There’s a possible northern fight path not shown that we were shown before.
Further, why would anyone fly the plane to an area of the ocean that has no place to land and where the weather is as bad as we’re being told it is?
The information we’re being given doesn’t make sense.
Wow thinner
First wong jing and then shila, do you want to drag everyone in your racist remarks?
No one is being racist. You can read Wong Jing’s weibo by himself and the news about Shila and Fish Leong. I’m only stating what’s being posted and reported.
con’d.
There is still something wrong with all the data. Flight 370 took off at 0041Hrs. local time
(Is that Take off time or Gate push back, there could be a significant difference)?
The transponder failed at 0131 – 60minutes later.
Even allowing for a slow climb out to 35000 ft The average flying speed would be close to 400kts.
400 nautical miles from KL puts you on the mainland Vietnam well past the Way point “Igari”!
Lets assume that the aircraft suffered an explosive decompression which disabled the transponder.
The Pilots, assuming they had some control, would immediately try to reduce altitude and head for the nearest runway (runway not necessarily airport). Closest landing strips were in Vietnam.
They may even have tried to turn back to KL or Kota Bharu.
The reduced altitude would mean that primary radar would loose contact a little later, which it did at 1330hrs. (9 minutes later).
Emergency Oxygen (O2) lasts for 10 to 15 minutes and the pilots would try to get to a breathable altitude (say 15000ft) from 35000 in that time.
2000 ft per minute is not excessive but with a damaged aircraft this could lead to a breakup and crash somewhere close to the Vietnam coast.
Closer than any search area maps that I have seen!
Was the emergency 02 working?
If the pilots reprogrammed the autopilot it is possible that they had a mild form of Anoxia and punched in the wrong figures. The aircraft could have flown on “Marie Celest” style with the crew and passengers unconscious, dead or unaware of their plight.
Finally, if a crash occurred in the Jungles of Vietnam, Cambodia or Malaysia the site will be difficult to find but the locator beacons should be functioning. I would suggest a search of the South Vietnam peninsular.
For what it’s worth, I believe that the Malaysian govt has been truly incompetent and hopeless since the start of this incident. They were very reluctant in sharing information and were very slow to act. They kept giving out information then taking it back (it was hijacked, it was not then hijacked and not again). It is easy to see why ppl think that they are hiding something even if they weren’t. And when everyone was out there searching, some official had the bright idea to hire a bomoh (shaman) to search for the plane, making a mockery out of all Malaysians. I am not against such methods but they should have at least been discreet. Basically they have made a spectacle out of all Malaysians and the world because that’s what they always do in Malaysia and they think they can get away with it on an international scale.
And P.S. I am a Malaysian and I can understand the anger presented to the Malaysian govt over this matter. The ppl wants answer and the Malaysia govt just can’t or won’t provide.
err… when was Malaysian govt said that it was hijacked?
People, when the govt gives out information fast, then take it back, they get angry. when the govt gives out the information slow, saying that they need to investigate it further before releasing the information, they get angry too. puffff~
I wonder why everyone is blaming Malaysia?
Go to cnn.com Hetieshou. They’ve been covering the mh370 news since day one in comprehensive details.
because everyone need something to vented out their anger to 🙂
Poor response since day 1.
I am a bit alarmed by all the comments. The only thing is that like most people here, I also feel that it was very odd for Malaysian officials to make the announcement the way they did. I also find it a bit early for people to file a lawsuit (but I understand why). I also do not feel that what some of the Chinese families is doing is right, protesting in front of another country’s embassy is quite limited, especially when everyone feels so helpless towards this incident. Will it make the search go any faster? Not really, especially not when it is Winter for southern hemisphere.
Regarding the safety on cruiseships and airplanes, I am more comfortable on a cruiseship than airplanes. Having been to the Caribbean via a cruise ship and encountering a storm on the way back was very scary, yet very smooth. It was also a scary moment because if we werent able to return back to the port in time, we would have missed our flight home. And before every cruise ship disembarks for the ports, the ship crew makes sure that everyone knows the procedures and meeting place if an emergency does occur.
This has always been the first thing the cruise ship officials would do. Also, when a cruise ship is on its trip, there is always “another ship” nearby, so if something does happen, this “other ship” can come to the rescue. Unfortunately for the Titanic incident, the other ship was “too far” away and the captain of Titanic was very optimistic that it wont sink. But nevertheless, modern cruise ships goes through that emergency procedure before the ship leaves port. But when it comes to airplanes, you are on your own if an emergency occurs. And some people who have been on airplanes frequently tend to belittle, or think very little of the procedures which flight attendants go through during takeoff. Hence, for me, I feel more comfortable on a cruise ship than on a plane. I do not agree that airplanes nor cruise-ships are the safest mode of transportation sadly.
” You have misjudged how a government should handle international politics. You have misjudged the kind of respect a government should have for the people. You have misjudged the Chinese people’s persistence in finding out the truth “
A Mainland Chinese telling another government how respect people and not hide the truth?
r u saying that the Malaysian team is handling the crises good enough? why lawsuit if the things r appropriate?
Uh, everyone can file lawsuit, but, not all are appropriate and reasonable. That’s why there are cases that get thrown out of court. Filing lawsuit doesn’t prove appropriateness.
do you really think this case will get thrown out of court, esp. if its in the US?
Unless you want spent a lot of money going international courts.
She’s saying it on her chinese perspective.which you can say is 99.9 percent true. Besides malaysia’s politics is bad. They should learn from other countries.Thumbs up for Zhang though for being so patrotic!
agree
I have been reading all the comments here. Yes, Malaysian govt sort of screw up from the beginning, but that’s how they are but I believe they are doing the best they can. Chinese have the right to protest, can’t blame them, but no need to take their anger out at staffs that are helping out, they did no wrong.
Celebrities don’t need to generate more rumor and ask their fans to boycott product from Malaysia, very stupid of them. Yea, Malaysia never like the us, yet us always help out and who’s paying for it. Tax payer, so come on some Malaysian should stop criticizing the us. Will other country help search for the plane if the plane that went down is an American carrier…..really don’t know, probably not.
Indian Ocean is huge, not easy to search for a missing plane, so people be patient I know is easier to say than done but until solid debris is found, really there can’t be any closure. The plane has been missing for almost 3 weeks now, you think there will be miracle that somehow there is survival? I believe since day one all of the passengers are gone.
I don’t think MAS is a bad airline, accident can happen to any carrier,to prevent this from happening again I think all airlines and Boeing should make sure proper maintainance should be done in the future.
Malaysian govt is indeed corrupted but don’t think they would deliberately withheld any info, their biggest mistake is they should have announce that the plane went missing right away instead of waiting for the plane to reappear somewhere, they are just too afraid to take the blame…as always.
I am ex malaysian, don’t think Chnese Malaysian is weak for not able to over throw the Malays. They try but what can you do if the govt play dirty during election. There is no freedom of speech, freedom in media, everything is control by the govt sad but true….still malaysian people are the one who chooses their prime minister who’s to blame?
As long as there are still no physical parts found, I will still hold out hope.
Just because majority of the passengers are China Chinese, these celebrities seem to have forgotten there are other nationalities including Malaysians on the plane too..their silence does not mean they are hurting any less….what if there was nothing hidden in the first place? there was no “truth” that was held back? will these celebrities then apologise for their comments?
no,mas too cheap to pay more than that. it has received over 10mil from insurance companies.
“I speak for myself that I’m going to boycott Malaysian products and tourism…”
And I’m going to boycott Chen Kun and his mediocre acting.
Exactly. Who does he think he is? Heck, most Malaysians don’t even know he exists let alone welcome him to our country.
And who do you think you are? Malaysia is not their main country to protome their products. They coukd careless if Malaysians try to boycott them. Just by promoting in Shanghai earns them millions more than promoting in the Whole Malaysia. He needs none of your help to buy his products.
Chen Kun is only speaking for himself and he didn’t urge anybody to follow him. He is always very straight forward in speaking his mind.
Bella El Catriana,
Agree with u. He does’t need Malaysia market at all. His movie can earn 7 billion in China alone. Who need Malaysia market?
True!!! No one needs it..
I’m surprise people get defensive about the malayasia government problem.
It rare, for plane with 239 lives gone with no evidence so of course going get lots of media attention
Funn- bad waves, windy weather, typical winter weather.
@Funn:
They discovered the debris quicker than MAS. Stop comparing the two. They were handled very differently. By the next day, the authorities already announced they were all dead. It took them 2-3 days to find the debris. But it took them 2 years (2011) to find the black box. So be quiet if you dont know the details. And the world was always big, never small.
Coco, because the place is different. For this one no announcement can be made so soon since no bodies were retrieved. I know the details but it seems you don’t or you’re quick to dismiss that I don’t.
No matter how badly Malaysian government have handled the situation, the anomysity should be contained and not spillover to criticisms about innocent people from that country and unnecessary boycott of products from that country.
On a separate note, I just hope Shila Amzah will not be targeted or bullied by hateful cyber comment because of this incident. I hope she will have good development in China, she’s a real talent.
stop putting the blame on other countries. If anything goes wrong, they hold responsible. MH66 also had maintenance issues.
Yeh!! You solved the mystery! Why not inform the authorities quick?
china does hav incidents but there not like mas who doesnt act responsibly.
Don’t quite agree. How about SARS in 2003?
I don’t claim to know the details. You do or whoever did. All these we don’t know until black boxes and debris are found. And they will reveal since the aviation industry is strictly governed and all findings will have an impact in the future rules and regulations.
Anything else I can’t answer with certainty like you and some other did.
Do you even know how to use the word ignorant? Because seems like you’re speaking about yourself.
You wrote ” I know the details but it seems you don’t or you’re quick to dismiss that I don’t.”
when coco called u on it, you wrote “I don’t claim to know the details.” then why write the preceding statement?
dont even bother, youre just going to get a no biggie response.
makes her a lar
Agreed . Funn !
“stop putting the blame on other countries. If anything goes wrong, they hold responsible. MH66 also had maintenance issues.”
“china does hav incidents but there not like mas who doesnt act responsibly.”
“They discovered the debris quicker than MAS. Stop comparing the two. They were handled very differently. By the next day, the authorities already announced they were all dead. It took them 2-3 days to find the debris. But it took them 2 years (2011) to find the black box. So be quiet if you dont know the details.”
All by Coco.
I’m a Malaysian. One morning I woke up to the shocking news of flight MH370. I’m not related to the passengers and crew members. This piece of news was very disturbing because of lives are at stake. Many fellow Malaysian well-wishers who prayed hard for the safety of the aircraft and its passengers regardless of race, creed, color or nationality were devastated by our PM’s awful announcement.
Sadly, the pilot and co-pilot have been victims of character assassination. As far as their families are concerned it’s like adding salt to their injuries.
Yay, MAS and M’sian govt didn’t handle the situation very well in the beginning. Were they incompetent, inexperienced in handling a situation of this magnitude or were they hiding something like what was in the cargo?
But it seems there are people who find them guilty of either one or the other or both. So are they murderers? What happens to “innocent until proven guilty”? In this case it’s like “guilty until proven innocent”.
I’m not too crazy over my govt but then how many govts have 100% supports from their citizens? How to be supportive when the costs of living are going up but not down? All the white elephant projects which are unaccountable. Same goes for the projects that lose huge money. Big fish who line their pockets with public money manage to get away, more often than not. Greed is the root of all evils. People in power have more opportunities to be tempted.
Being told that your loved ones are perished in the Indian ocean is no closure. Die-hard hopefuls like me are still hoping for a ray of hope that the debris don’t belong to flight MH370.
Heartbroken families, relatives and friends are left in sorrow and despair. When your loved ones departed suddenly it’s like an unfinished business. It’s a devastating and agony time when emotions run high. So heartbreaking… Grief is so intense so it’s understandable that some bereaved families are lashing out at MAS and M’sian govt.
the chinese were saying MAS or MSIA Gov is hiding the truth. But what “truth” are they expecting to come out? Guess they themselves also dont have any ideas about what is the “truth”. If it’s the chinese gov that is handling this, wondering would there be so much noise.
and the chinese gov released wrong satellite images which greatly distracted the SAR effort.
The Mas should be shut down.Let the ceo go bankrupt and stuffs. Evwn if you pay a billion to the old folks in china,it would still mean nothing.they have no one now.not to mention china’s one child policy.how can they accept the fact that their only son / daughter and grandkids are gone? No, its unacceptable. What would you do if your in the Chinese people’s perspective? You’d do the same. So stop hating and judging the chinese. If you want to do so, let it be malaysia if it werent for them,those on board would safely arrive in Beijing. #JustSaying
agree well said
I’ve been updating myself on news about the plane since it went missing. Yes, Malaysia Government did make mistakes here and there like about a week after only they admit the plane turned around and flew West. However, we as outsiders are not involved hands on in the search. At some point, Malaysia wanted to become more sure of information they find. Thats why I believe infos are slow. Other parties like Vietnam are frustrated as they had to search blindly so Malaysia have to make sure of everything. I feel for all the families, relatives and friends of those onboard. I think PM Najib should say only that confirmed final location of the plane is in Indian Ocean based on calculations made by the British satellite company and not tell them without a doubt that the plane had crash without any survivors even though that is very likely, considering the rough Indian ocean, the weather, the depth of the ocean and etc like sharks perhaps. This part should be announced only when it is really CONCRETELY PROVEN like finding plane debris or wreckage. Nonetheless, for now I really don’t see the point of arguing because most crucial is find the plane, the truth of what happened and in case there are still survivors even if the chances are really minute. Also celebrities should never ever mention two taboo topics, politics and religion. It just resulted in endless debate and wedging up of people who agree and disagree. Their status is just fanning fire at some point. So, lets just hope they find the plane and truth about it as soon as possible because I can’t stand imagining how those onboard are if they survive in the horrible ocean with really bad weather and etc.
Malaysia too arrogant. They be little other country all the time. They a thief also.
Prove what you say with facts and don’t simply leave controversial stupid comments! If you can’t, then shut up!
This China people always like to threaten to boycott such as incident to boycott Japanese product/tourism/movie due to fault of government. They need to realize what Government do does not reflect their citizen. Japanese people are so nice and polite – just Government a bit bad and fker Japanese soliders are pks.
Same goes to Malaysia situation. Bad government but nice people and country.
Considering their massive population its easy to do so.besides its called patriotisme. Not all japanese people are nice,polite as they are usually described. I remember when i introduced my self to some japanese, it was all nice at first when they knew that my name was Bella Williams ( a western name ) they freaked out and started to go wild and rude when i told them that i was half english/norwegian and half chinese/thai.
Same goes to Malaysians, acting all nice and steady when i told them that i was of English, Norwegian,Chinese and thai descent. but tpwhen i tell them the part where i support China, things get worst.
what do you mean by things get worst? i don’t see why Malaysians will treat you badly for supporting China. 0_o
They’ll be like ” i know that ypu are of chinese descent, but why do you support china, your look more european than asian,but why china? Its nothing but a low class and dirty place” As far as i know China is an Upper class. Much more classy than Malaysia.
If you go on badminton events where malaysian teams are competing,it gets even worst and worst,the crowd so loud and rude, booeing each time the Chinese Duo scores a point,even the, malaysians player of chinese descent a.k.a Goh / Lim are rude and disrecpectful espeacially to chinese citizens.watching it in the stadium, i had to wear earplugs -.- .
Talk about rude.
Thats the way they speak english.which at the start i didnt even understang considering when i grew up speaking with an accent..
aww… not all Malaysian like that. if you meet me and say that you support China, i’ll say “Awww!! Nice to know you! do you know EXO? I’m their hard died fan!”. and i’ll never say that China is a low class. i know their capabilities and how important they are to Malaysia because i study international relation and strategic studies. About badminton events, it’s one of psychology way to win, but not i’m supporting the act of booing. 🙂 but i don’t know anything about how goh and lim treated people rudely, so i can’t say anything about that 🙁
Haha. Its nice to know that there are some nice Malaysians. Though i’m not saying all malaysian are bad, its just some of them 😉
Btw are mixed race people rare in malaysia because not to brag when i was there people were kind of staring at me and asked me weither i’m mixed race which was sweet 🙂
same here! I’m similiar to you. Me myself i am half Norwegian/ German and Half Chinese/Thai. I guess that from our looks of being more “european ” they truly expect us to dislike China or so on. but the truth is even if we werent born in China, we’d still lift the China Flag High and proud. 🙂
I read this on New Strait Times online news “Malaysian authorities suspect that the opposition party Pakatan R may be behind the Chinese family members who protested at the Malaysian embassy in Beijing. Right now I am laughing so hard. Funn are you there? Please log onto NST and read this piece of news posted after 19:00
Are you an expert in Malaysia’s politic situation right now? Do you know anything about politics in Malaysia? do you even read about that Mr. A who you wrote in your previous comment? the one who said that he didn’t know the pilot, then turn out that they’re relative?
I must say I don’t understand Malaysian politics. I only know that it’s a “democratic” country and it enjoys freedom of press. At least this is what we outsiders are made to believe so I expect what is written in your newspapers will be fair reporting. Now are you telling me otherwise? I didn’t make up what I posted above, it’s there online. Your own government is saying that an opposition party is behind the Chinese protest. I find that very amusing because Funn has been declaring for 2 days that the PRC authorities are the culprits. Hahaha
Wrong. There is no true freedom of press in Malaydia, at least not in the mainstream media. The media in Malaysia is tightly controlled by the government, and if the reports are too critical of the ruling party, the newpapers risk getting their licenses suspended. The opposition parties get very little representation in the mainstream media. Malaysians know better that to trust everything their mainstream media tells them, because malaysian media is heavily pro-government and a defacto govnt mouthpiece. In other words, not much different from the Mainland Chinese media. For a more balanced perspective on Malaysian affairs – especially political, current and ecomonic issues, a well informed malaysian will seek out alternative media on the internet (malaysians would know what I’m talking about). The Star and NST? Most of my family and friends have stopped buying them long ago. Unless you’re one of the mindless sheeple, then you take the mainstream media reports as gospel truth.
From day 1, there were leaks by the govnment investigative team to the media, trying to implicate and pin the blame on the pilot for MH370. The landing locations of his flight simulator games would NOT have been known by CNN and other international media if not leaked out, while investigation is ongoing. If there was real proof that the pilot was the culprit and his motive was tied to political reasons (to protest Anwar Ibrahim’s jail sentence), the BN govnt would only be TOO HAPPY share this evidence, as they can put the blame on PR and bury them. I think this conspiracy theory is one of the dumbest yet I’ve heard. The pilot not an idiot, crashing the plane because he was uoset over AI eould only turn the M’sian people agsinst the opposition party.
So, Mahathir’s son and purported successor claims in NST that PR was behind the chinese protests at the M’sian embassy and you believe that? You’re being naive about M’sian politics. Anwar Ibrahim is no saint or Mandela, and it was stupid of him telling SCMP that he did not know the pilot. This denial makes him look foolish, if not downright guilty. But he realised later that he should come clean and admitted in a parliament session the Zahari was related to one if his in-laws. Malaysian politicians are clowns, yes. So, no use belabouring this point. This is a about an international tragedy, not Malaysian politics.
Too many typos, ugh. Need to get some sleep.
I’ll just correct and add on this lil bit:
The pilot is not an idiot, crashing the plane because he was upset over AI would only turn the M’sian people TOTALLY against the opposition party. Or throwing away everything he has (his family, career, good life) to hold the plane hostage and demand that Najib’s govnt release AI. It’s too bad that baseless rumors like these have gone viral among the chinese social media sites in China and Taiwan. But I understand now where the severe hostility from the Chinese families and accusations of the Malaysian govnt being ‘murderers’ are coming from. One particularly disturbing theory, that some of those Chinese people truly believe are that their loved ones were used as “bargaining chips and sacrificed” when Najib refused to negotiate with the pilot and the plane ran out of fuel after 5 hours and went down in Malaysian airspace but the govnt covered it up and said it vanished. There are so many holes in this theory but people blinded by grief and anger cannot – or will not- see it. They are in denial. Only thing we can hope for is for the debris of the plane and the blackbox to be found in the Indian Ocean, then all can get some closure on this sad tragedy.
So if Malaysian govt made mistake, Zhang Ziyi feels all Malaysian celebrities should be blamed and punished?
Well Zhang Ziyi forgot to mention what the China government and military did at Tiananmen Square in 1989 and using her logic how the whole world should boycott all China celebrities including herself for what her own government did? She has proven to be just another celebrity without a brain.
She didnt event say a word about malaysian celebs.All she said was her unsatisfication towards the Malaysian Goverment for ” giving up ” without any proper evidence.its obvious heartbreak for Mainland Chinese such as Zhang to know that 2/3 of the passengers were from China. Its not selfish, its human nature. Zhang was commenting wisely on this matter. Zhang
The Tiananmen Square incident was a totally different, would you let people who wants to ruin your country’s peace and harmony stay and keep doing stupid stuffs?Hell no! They took their own risk and got back what they should have avoid.
Again use your brain!!
Incase if you wonder if i’m from China.the answer is no. I’m just a Canadian Citizen of Norwegian/Chinese/Thai/ English descent.
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Among all post (in China’s social media’s sphere), I spotted this one, and was in mind that I am obliged to share.
Are we(China) too reckless instigate a boycott on this country(Malaysia)? Lets don’t talk about boycott just yet, we cannot even boycott the Japanese effectively, for them who massacred hundreds of millions of our countrymen, and those Vietnamese and Indonesian who killed hundred of thousand of Chinese, why don’t I see any Artist boycotting them? (Chinese artist joined the condemns and boycott against Malaysia)
Alright, if you all thinks that the Malaysian Government had murdered 153 Chinese passengers, then they also murdered 38 Malaysian, 12 crew members, 12 Indonesian passengers, 7 Australian passengers and 7 American passengers.
Alright, lets boycott this country (Malaysia) which was first to establish diplomatic ties with China among all other South East Asian countries.
Lets boycott this country (Malaysia) who had been consistently refused the United States military to build their base for the purpose of locking the Chinese survivorship(military strategy) among the lines of island
Lets boycott this country, which the borders of Spartly Island which was determined by China was only 80 KM off their coast, yet the only country that does not make any objection.
Lets boycott this country, which has been consistently against the Philippines and Vietnamese to bring up the conflict of South China Sea to the world’s attention
Lets boycott this country, which donated to China to fight against the Japanese (during WW2) which amounts to 1/3 of the total military expenditure.
Lets boycott this country, which contributed 3000 car mechanics and drivers during our(China) war with the Japanese.
Lets boycott this country which allows 5million Chinese to preserve their culture, language and religion
Alright, let us all stand united to boycott this country, which is kind and nice to China.
Ps: if you dislike a government, means you will have to hate everything about this country, then I want to point my question to those ignorant artist who declared that they will never visit Malaysia, as a public figure, do you aware that your lead, (announcement) have hurt the Malays(Malaysian citizen)?
Just now I saw a post from my friend who works as a reporter in Weibo (Chinese Twitter), he said ‘ once you have achieve certain level of patriotism, any ridiculous matter will seems to be reasonable. And this word ‘patriotism’ has bring more harm,’
The attitude of our nationals (Chinese ) sometimes is laughable.
Above is an article from a Chinese china.
I’ll give you a LIKE for your comments. Well done. Tell those brainless celebrities who also make their money out of their Malaysian fans. Maybe our country should BOYCOTT their movies, dramas and whatever projects they do.
Well then try and do so.. Malaysians trying to boycott them?sorry not gonna happen. Just with promoting in Shanghai could earn them millions more then promoting stuffs in malaysia. Fine then dont buy their production,they still have 1 billion ( and more) chinese citizens who would want to buy. If you say that Zhang is a brainless celebrity, well that doesnt hurt becuase whe will forever be upper class than you are. 😉
Chill, no need to boycott them. let them the celebrities boycott us, but their government will never boycott us. maybe they the celebrities don’t about Malaysia, but their government is a different case. so, no worries ^_^
I don’t think China has ever officially said to boycott us, just the busybodies.
Another LIKE from me.
Umm.get your facts right. malaysia didnt donate anything to China during wars. It all the overseas chinese from all around the world whom gathered money for their motherland. Not Malaysians or so on
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i’m just copy and paste from a chinese who a citizen of China. If you said that the facts are wrong, it’s meant she or he who grows up in China, learn about the history of china from when she/he just a small kid, are wrong too, then i can’t say anything. maybe you know about it better 🙂
:-):-)
I could be sure that he/she is somehow having some isssues.lol. For me i’d say moderate. Because i was born in England. Raised in mutiply countries such as England,Norway,about two years in China and A hear in Thailand. but i’m mistly in england or norway:-) but isill learn stuffs about my herritage regardless of where i live or grew up.
Bella i m appaled at your comments! Overseas Chinese also means Chinese from all over the world including in Malaya at that time. You just insulted so many of our ancestors who migrated to Malaya before the war. They send back money to their families back in China and contribute to the war effort! How dare you belittle their contribution!
Dudumdym
by overseas chinese i meant by all chinese regardless of which country they live in. Its the overseas chinese who donated not the malaysians ( locals) .The locals woudnt give a damn for China.
Bella, omg ! Malaysia consist of a few migrants races. one of it are people from China who migrate to Malaysia since 1700s (you do understand that?). i honestly think you should really read up on the geography and history before sounding like a fool.
Clearly Bella doesn’t know Malaysia consists of migrant Chinese from China from many years ago or doesn’t know the difference. we have ancestors from China, we suffered the same atrocities as with Chinese people on WWII due to our connection with China and I have relatives who donate not just to China but Taiwan during crucial times and feels affinity to China as motherland even if I do not agree with this affinity. As for your facts, where did you get it? Why don’t you get your facts right instead of making sweeping statements.
Right now even if I am Chinese with ancestors from China, I do not feel any affinity to them. I am a Malaysian Chinese and that’s that. Whether anyone from Malaysia donated anything to China anytime in this century or the century before does not have any bearing on the hysterical reaction of the Chinese, their obvious need to vent their anger at anyone and anywhere and their unreasonableness. We have lost loved ones too in this tragedy but to them it is all about me me me.
Dude, you’re the one whose not getting anything thing she just said. As a fellow British to her, i get the fact that malaysia didnt donate anything to China. The ones that did donate was the people of chinese descent regardless of where they moved to…So that means The so called malaysian who donated money and so on are immigrants from China. Chinese were treated poorly in Malaysia back then,well now as well. I heard some stuffs about One Malaysia when i visited there.but Heck thats just BS.
As i can see only westernes like us can understand what Bella is sayin here.As if you were in their shoes,how would you react? You cant expect them to sit calmly and just wait. With the one child policy,what would do do if you’re an old folk putting nothing but hope on your only Child / grandchild? Their reaction is understandable. They lost thier famillies,their loved ines. I understand that there are others whom are suffering but for modern yet still traditional Chinese from mainland china it is absolutely unacceptable.
– a british citizen who lived in China for 5 years
aigoo… you said yourself bella,overseas chinese from all around the world. and what the post had been telling was 1/3 of the total military expenditure of China during WWII comes from Chinese in Malaysia, which was most of them later become the citizen of Tanah Melayu/Malaysia because only little amount of them who goes back to the mainland. the Malaysian Chinese nowadays are their descendants. can’t their ancestor eing called Malaysian when they already contribute to Tanah Melayu at that time? and Zane T, yea, chinese in Malaysia were ‘treated badly’ in the present days too, that’s why there are many Chinese in the list of Malaysia’s 50 richest people. ^_^
“As i can see only westerners like us can understand what Bella is sayin here.As if you were in their shoes,how would you react? You cant expect them to sit calmly and just wait”
Hello, Bella in the above is not saying the reaction of the ppl, she is disputing the fact that Malaysia didn’t gather money for their motherland during WWII..We did or at least my ancestors who hold Malaysian citizenship did. And to dispute that with such a sweeping irresponsible remarks, is an insult to us all.
And does you being a western means you know how to empathize with the loss that the Chinese families are feeling??? Hello, everyone of us of sad and deeply affected by the tragedy. Do you think we all Asians have no feeling?? Yes we understand the families are grieving but so is our families here. We didn’t implement the one child policy. It was the China government. why blame us Malaysian for the loss of an entire generation? We are not angry because they are crying and in grief, we are angry that they put the blame on us, the Malaysian people. Yes the Malaysian govt screwed up… hey, it’s their first SAR, first crash, first airline lost… We are all angry at the way the PM Najib did his press statements, or the misleading information but no matter how screwed up, they are still trying.
Why don’t you ask US if they are involved since there are so many incredible speculations that the CIA (or was it FBI?) was involved. If those speculation are proven correct, guess which embassy are the Chinese families going to protest next?? British and American, you do look alike to us Asian…
“people of chinese descent ”
Malaysians have people of Chinese descent. If you mean Malaysia the country did not donate, then say so clearly. I am sure country themselves did not donate. In fact the Brits and westerners ransacked China remember? The Summer palace, remember?
People of Chinese descent will include Malaysian chinese. Perhaps you should re-read what was written and how offensive and out of topic this is getting.
As for the grief, not only China lost its citizens. If you’re talking by sheer numbers, of course. But is a person’s life so limited by sheer number by nationality? Malaysia lost its sons and daughters too, to quote our acting transport minister. The world does not revolve around the china chinese victims only.
Woah.. Now that is insulting from what i’ve read. I didnt see anything offensive. Just a reminder to you that Bella is Half English/Norwegian Half Chinese. Its insane to say that she’s being too ” western” and not taking care of asian people’s feelings.i might not be chinese, but with what i’ve seen lots of chinese descents here in europe still have strong ties with China.And i guess thats the same with Bella.
I believe there was no such intention to have insulted you guys. Its just the way how western people talk in a way.
And chill dude nobody is blaming your precious malaysians. Glad that i am not one.
And no.. Me being western is my bussines. As i’ve said i’ve seen alot of overseas chinese always backing up for their native motherland. As a few of you said that you’re of chinese descent,i’m pretty suprised that you guys show no mercy to “attack” China. Hmm.,talk about forgetting your roots.
Again with the western mind set. Never once I hv ever said anything against Bella ancestry. You started with the ‘we western, we understand their grief better’. Every point was on Bella’s uneducated sweeping remarks.
Don’t forget it was the western power who ransacked the Summer palace in China long long ago.. I wonder how many of those national treasures were ever returned.
What do you mean we attack the Chinese ? We got blindly sided n attacked, cursed and called names by their netizens first.
What do they say, ” You pay a price for being a murder’s ‘ relative’ ” what did they called you? I doubt that you’ve met any chinese ( mainland):after the mh370. My coworkers in Shanghai were actually planning to visit Malaysia but then canceled everything due to the incident. He now even refuses to even take a look at anything that is helping Malaysia’s exonomy. Well, who could blame him? No one because thats the price
If he is expressing concern over air travel, fine.. It is a scary traumatic thing that happen. But if he is doing so in an act of protest, then don’t come. Tourism hv gone down, expected conclusion already. Even during Japan’s nuclear accidents, they also lost tourist coming over and during that time, ppl had fear of using Japanese product for fear of radiation contamination.
Btw you got it wrong, we didnt murder anyone. That is what all these ppl like Mickinggenius and thinner are wrong. They convicted us Msian ppl guilty by association. Neither did the govt. it was a plane crash, accidental or not we don’t know. If those PRC want the truth, so do we. But the problem is despite all the helps n combined efforts from so many countries, there is no answer yet. We all wait n waiting for it.
Boycott everything. In a year or two, no one will remember or care anymore.
To me, chinese = comepletely chinese, no blood from caucasians, africans, arabians, etc. Bella El Catriana should not be here!
And why there are so many gwailos in the chinese entertainment forum?
@Yana
So yana, me being mixed race means that i cant b proud of my chinese ancestery. Does it mean that i cant be patriotic? Lol..hell no