“Devil” Raymond Lam Boosts “Men With No Shadows” Finale Ratings to 36 Points
In TVB series, Men With No Shadows <不速之約>, Raymond Lam (林峰) received good reaction towards his devil role. Last week’s ratings averaged 29 points, while last Friday’s 2-hour finale averaged 32 points, peaking at 36 points, with approximately 2.3 million viewers tuning in to watch.
Despite the good ratings, the Hong Kong Broadcasting Authority received several complaints from the audience regarding Men With No Shadows, citing a suicidal scene involving the jumping from a building and argument scenes which may have negative impacts upon children.
In its first week of broadcast, Liza Wang’s (汪明荃) Super Snoops <荃加福祿壽> averaged ratings of 28 points, with approximately 1.79 million viewers who watched the series. This marked a decline of one rating point in comparison to River of Wine <九江十二坊>, which was broadcast in the same time slot last week.
In addition, several audience complaints were filed against Shirley Yeung’s (楊思琦) variety program, Paw Love <寵愛有家>. The audience found the scene in which roaches, lizards, and white mice were fed to a snake to be unsettling.
TVB’s 45th Anniversary Lighting Ceremony, which was broadcast last Monday, received 27 points in ratings, with approximately 1.7 million viewers watching the program. Although there were a lack of popular celebrities at the lighting ceremony, the ratings were quite good.
Source: On.cc
Jayne: What did everyone think of Men With No Shadows?
thought it was a terrible follow up in programming to LOO
I haven’t watch Men with no Shadows and might not watch, but LOO is no way a magnificent drama. The plot of LOO is all over the place and dumb and many characters are underdeveloped.
Red alert to TBB scriptwriters and screenplay directors and anyone related.
Although I was saying the above, I admit that I enjoyed LOO for my own reasons 😛
LOO’s melody is fast, so make ppl wanna watch it eps after eps. But the overall series is so-so. Plot is a big problem to TVB series now.
LOO is an extremely enjoyable show. However, if you look at LOO in a critical sense, it is terrible. Rotten Tomatoes would definitely give it a rotten rating, lol.
Bravo FUNG GOR. I though the story line is like totally different from what TVB usually does, even though its suppose to be others, but its not like its bad series or anything.
Great cast such as Bobby, TY and etc but storyplot fails bad. Don’t think LF did any good job here maybe not focus with his role?
Still think the ending and the plot failed. However I like LF’s acting here so much, especially in two last eps. The emotional scenes are controlled well. The series also made me like Sire.
agree
@Fox,
No offense again haha but I notice LF has a rather stiff crying facial in the series, for eg. the cheek area didn’t move much (doesn’t even show any sight of crying frowny face) really stiff and the only thing that move was his mouth which was opened widely crying.. His eyes didn’t show much of tears and in the end, he use his hand to cover half of his crying face.
Why you think it’s offensive to me? It has no harm on me, lol. It’s your opinion.
You mean the scene in front of his parents’ grave? I think this scene is well done by him. Not much tears but eyes all red (that’s wat Linda can’t do with her crying scene, if she can do that, her crying will be very beautiful), just the hurt showed in eyes. And then when Mr. Tong came, his facial changed to angry. Fit the scene.
Another good crying scenes is the one in the hospital.
His acting ability in crying scene is good but what I meant is his facial expression looks very stiff in that episode. His cheeks obviously didn’t frown and they just stay stiff like someone who had excessive botox.
Saying no offense to ya first is to avoid any misunderstanding later lol. Honestly saying, I really have no prob with LF but not his naughty behaviour though lol but overall, i wont avoid watching his series.
V below Kidd also mentioned of the same scene with you and I said that by my 720×480 screen, I saw water in the eyes, but yes, damper will be better. His facial expression in this eps or this scene? If this eps then I dun think it’s stiff 😛 because the facial expression is showed well in the hospital scene.
I also dun think he has botox because if yes, his skin should be better :). His skin looks kinda bad now. Hehe, maybe he should ask Linda for the BB cream she used.
As for misunderstandings between us, we have too many, can’t solve, can’t solve baby :P.
I think who has translucent good skin among the fadans are only Charmaine, Sharon, Fala, Elaine, and so many more except Myolie, TY and LInda. I knew these 3 never have any smooth nice skin before.. rmb seeing a pic of myolie in Chow yun fatt’s movie, she has pimples on her forehead, TY has pimples prob if she has lack of sleep and Linda has some skin prob in her close-up pics i’ve seen b4.
Because the ladies always wear makeup so it’s hard to tell how their face skin are, just can tell by their body skin.
The male’s face skin is easier to see because except when they perform, they don’t use/not much makeup.
I thought MWNS was a great drama, because it got the audience to think if Raymond was an actual devil or not. Unlike most dramas where you know could guess the answer easily
The first 2 wks were really good b/c it kept u guessing. But it was a let-down that ray turned out to be human. Demon or something supernatural or dream state would’ve been more interesting. I don’t like mental illness issues b/c it’s depressing. And the ending was terrible. It makes me shudder to think what would happen in prison, to a guy that looks like toi fung. 😮
If it is still a supernatural one, it might be better. The plot doesn’t make sense. The scriptwriter has idea, but she can’t expand her idea.
Josie,
“It makes me shudder to think what would happen in prison, to a guy that looks like toi fung”
You cracked me up; your imagination is too vivid. In HK films and tv series, persevering in prison usually means dodging the odd knife stabbing and fist fights, not the sexual domination that may occur among real prisoners. Perhaps this is intended to preserve some innocence among children tv viewers?
“What did everyone think of Men With No Shadows?”
Jayne, you really wanna know? Ok. Utter rubbish.
LOL, go and watch some anime instead 🙂
tvb has become utterly rubbish for sure…
I recommend Royal Battle. It has a live action.
Totally agree with you Funn. Making the audience think whether Toi Fung is a devil or not doesn’t give them the licence to come up with the totally ridiculous idea of hypnotism to solve all the problems the writers dug themselves into. And poor Bobby was completely wasted by being roped into this rubbish of a series.The hypnotism thing kinds of reminded me about To Get Unstuck In Time where Shek Sau’s character can hypnotize people at will by asking them to watch repeated sequence of things like lamp posts from inside a passing car and worst of all, drops of residue rainwater from a leaf! Hypnotism, by granting the benefit of the doubt, may be a powerful device if one can really master it totally but to use it as the one plot device to solve and explain away all the questions is pretty lazy screenwriting imho.
the show is watchable, but a ridiculous and try hard concept that just did not work. Very annoying “devil” music, overall cheesey effects…disappointed that LF actually accepted such a role.
So, what role do you want Raymond to accept? More prince charming nice guy role?
Heartless playboy or gigolo, I’m sure will get a high rating for TVB….Hehehe
TVB produces TV series. These roles are not suitable for families and will be complained. So say something more possible.
Serial Killer (连环杀手)
Drug Addict
King Of Theft.
like that can huh?
These ones are more possible.
hehehe….kinda like you are RF’s manager, accepting a job for RL. Hahaha.
I thought this drama was pretty good, i LOVE raymond’s acting <3. the plot was decent i guess. the ending was just WOAH.
Overall the drama isn’t too bad. I’d give it 3/5 for scale haha. Props for creativity but points off because it was somewhat confusing until the end. I ended up liking the cast though, and I see potential in Sire Ma and Mandy Wong (already knew I liked Mandy from ‘A Chip Off The Old Block’ though). The ending is nice in that everyone ended up happy e.g. Gigi Wong’s relationship with Bobby’s mom; Power Chan and John Chiang.
The whole script did not make sense. One minute tavia was in depression and afraid of bobby, suddenly she wakes up on the rooftop after bobby mentioned hat it was Raymond who paid the contract killer. The police already asked her that question, so surely she wud suspect something? Like the bobby’s siister being adopted by Gigi, surely u can see yr mum being pregnant? How can sira ask for raymond’s help when she knows he is trying to kill the brother? The whole storyline just does not add up. where does Raymond get all this money to pay for the contract killer? No doubt Raymond is very good looking but his acting is very stiff in this series. Tavia’s acting is disappointing too. She looks so tired and bored!
1. Fong fong was mentally unstable so she doesn’t have to make sense.
2. Dr. O said he came to hk for school w/o his mom so he didn’t see her pregnancy.
3. Ah mui liked toi fung and hoped that she could bring out the good in him.
4. Toi fung asked Dr. O for money for a new car to make him feel better. He had Dr. O directly deposit that money into the killer’s acct.
4. Toi fung asked Dr. O for money for a new car to make him feel better. He had Dr. O directly deposit that money into the killer’s acct.
The most funny scene of MWNS. Tai Fung rocks! Use Dr. O’s money to kill Dr. O, LMAO.
1. she has depression,not mental instability. u cant just wake up with a flick of a finger
2. dr o wud have gone to hk at the age of 5/6, so i think it is impossible not to have seen his mother pregnant
3. she knew toi fung destroyed her brother and out for revenge, wud someone be so stupid to ask him to help the enemy’s wife????
4.that was to kill dr o, not john chiang. u mean the killer wud refund the money because toi fung cancelled the first killing at the last min?
The whole story is laughable.
@ den1
1. she has depression,not mental instability. u cant just wake up with a flick of a finger
She’s still taking medicine. Just that she’s getting better. When she gets better she sees things clearly. Secondly, yes, you can wake up when they things that are bothering you change. Katie Byron has depression and got out of it when one day, she decide to change her outlook.
2. dr o wud have gone to hk at the age of 5/6, so i think it is impossible not to have seen his mother pregnant
Dr.O is 18 years older than his sister. He’s already in HK when his mother was pregnant with Mui.
3. she knew toi fung destroyed her brother and out for revenge, wud someone be so stupid to ask him to help the enemy’s wife????
Like Josie said, she still likes Toi Fung. She has always hope Toi Fung to be good and believe deep down, he has conscience.
“4.that was to kill dr o, not john chiang. u mean the killer wud refund the money because toi fung cancelled the first killing at the last min?”
He did not refund. But, the killer could be someone who want a fair transaction. So, he did this job for Toi Fung since Toi Fung already paid. There are all kinds of people with different values.
This series is different from the usual tvb series and so I did like that fact. I haven’t finished the whole thing yet, but so far its ok. I’m actually really anticipating the ending since I’ve been reading that people thought the ending was good. Though, it could have been better.
“citing a suicidal scene involving the jumping from a building and argument scenes which may have negative impacts upon children.”
Really….really now? I’ve seen many series with suicidal scenes…and this time they added ARGUMENT scene….wow…these HK viewers are really something…hahaha..I bet their kids see their parents argue all the time.
I didn’t think much of MWNS, in fact, at times it was very annoying as it was kinda dumb. But that’s just my opinion, still disappointed that Bobby took on such a series..total waste of his talents.
I’ve only watch 1/2 of the last episode yesterday because it’s too late and I need to sleep.
So far, up to the part I saw, I like the last episode. Maybe the science behind it is unrealistic, but, I like the concept.
I don’t want to spoil the ending for those who haven’t watch it. Just want to say Raymond acted well in that last episode where he need to portray a lot of emotions. He’s believable in acting out his state of mind except one part. It’s the part where he broke down and cried in front of his parents ashes. His face changed too fast when he saw John Chiang. That has put a damper on his performance and made it look a bit fake. He didn’t even have tears anymore when he glared at John.
The make up artists and director should have taken notice of this and made his eyes damper. The director or he himself should remember what he didn’t before that scene to make it flows better.
By my 720×480 screen, I saw water in the eyes for this scene.
However, I still think his crying is way better in GTL, the scene when he cried silently in the kitchen.
No problem with his crying, my problem is the story. So is there a devil or not a devil? He is not the devil, but did he meet the devil? This series tried to be too many things at the same time. In the end it was just an utter mess.
Not a devil, so it’s a bad plot.
The script writer tried to play with your mind, make the whole series looks like it has devil but in the end…just some mad story of a mad brother who imagining things and…can hypnotize ppl?
It’s Dr. O’s bad luck, involve with a crazy guy.
btw, did they tell why LF can hypnotize ppl? he’s a not doctor but can he …? I missed that episode..
Well in real life, LF has those electric eyes.
In the series, toi fung learned it f/ his own hynotherapy sessions. Quite silly that he could do so easy by rubbing the apple recently.
@Veejay: He learned. He said so in the cliff scene.
That’s why some TVB’s storyplot is always lack of convincing ground. If Lf can hypnotize ppl by just rubbing apple to his body, then he’s really powerful.. just like itachi in naruto. I think the scriptwrite got the idea from naruto lol
@ Funn
There’s no devil. After his car crash, he has a weird dream. That meeting the devil scene was his dream. He said so himself when he talked to Fong Fong. He took ideas from the dream and pretended to be devil.
@ Veejay @ Josie
About the apple hypnosis. That’s why I said the science behind it is unrealistic. But, not focusing in the small details, I like the overall concept.
Dream? One minute he was seriously injured, borderline almost but not quite dead, after his dream, he suddenly looked so alert, everything ok? Maybe it is our fault. Maybe we have speculated so much that TVB may have had a better explanation but decided to not use what we guessed and show us something different and more pariah instead?
I want to add. I like the part where Fong Fong told Toi Fung. Yes, she used to have sadness and fell into depression. But, she chose to not go into sadness now and she slowly come out of depression and ask Toi Fong to do the same.
And she did it all in less than 1 episode with fill make up and glossy lips. She doesn’t even look depressed. I find that particular scene rather funny. However I do like how he asked her “Do you love me?” and she tearfully said “Yes I do and we will be very good friends”.
Ha ha!!
I liked when toi fung asked “fong fong, do u love me?”
She said “yes, I love u… I want to be your friend forever.”
It reminded me of the ending of BTROC when Moses asked charmaine to stay w/ him. She said she loved Kevin the most but respected him the most. A bittersweet love story btwn the king and his childhood love.
Honestly, i think that conversation was a bit sad imo. Imagine you love someone deeply only to get such answer? that’s like a knife stabs into your heart awww
“I like the part where Fong Fong told Toi Fung. Yes, she used to have sadness and fell into depression. But, she chose to not go into sadness now and she slowly come out of depression and ask Toi Fong to do the same.”
To be honest, this part, I prefer Toi Fung to jump off the cliff 🙂
After all, if ask me to rate this series, I’ll rate it 2/5. 2 for the idea alone. This idea actually can turn into a good one, but the scriptwriter failed.
MWNS was overall a disappointment. It wasn’t that bad but I think the story plot could have been better. I have to admit that the scene where Raymond was crying in front of his parents’ grave in the temple, his crying was different from past drama series. It was very emotional and real. I also think that they dragged the “hypnosis” until the end of the drama series and it was kind of lame.
I agree the storyline of MWNS was crap also. It seems that the scriptwriter only had an overall idea but didnt know how to go into details to develop the character.
I do agree that Raymond’s emotional scenes were well done in the last 2 eps though.
so can anyone tell me what happened at the end?
Wouldn’t it be more interesting if you go and watch it yourself?
Well, too much hype leads to too high an expectation.
At least they didn’t let Bobby’s prophecy down! Recall: Extracted from previous article, “Bobby Au-Yeung Supports Raymond Lam To Be TV King; Raymond Lam Views Michael Tse As His Strongest Opponent”, “Bobby later also expressed that he highly looked upon Raymond to win the TV King award and expected their drama, “Men With No Shadows”, to rake in a high rating of at least 32 points.” 😛
Doesn’t all series have the same statement before airing? Like the current FLS – expected first week is 40, or FH3 – Wayne: I blv I might win again.
“What did everyone think of Men With No Shadows?”
It better be good!
The idea of MWNS is fresh and new. I enjoyed the concept but overall, a letdown because the whole plot is soooooo draggy with too many unnecessary dialogue and cliche family scenes which bored the hell out of me! If you haven’t watched MWNS, i suggest you to watch it for the cast only (if you like any) or just watch the last 2 episodes.
Really enjoyed Raymond’s performance in the finale, especially his teary scenes and mixed mental emotions that he portrays. (: Very touching and very different of LF. But again, the very ending was rushed and just…not good.
The idea of MWNS is not fresh nor is it new. It is same thing packaged as different but in the end the entire story is inconsistent, self serving, indulgent and pointless. It could have been better developed but it became confusing. Ray’s performance was mostly either overacting or busy posing but the finale was as confusing too. Did he cried well? Probably yes, but the story by that time is so convulated his tears did not save the plot. And the ending of him going to jail sucks. Because I see no repentance in what he did. The last episode should have added a few pivotal scenes to explain a few matters. His sister’s miraculous recovery prompting him to repent is silly. It doesn’t add up.
This series will split the critics like MOL did and frankly I hated MOL, even before I watched it, and this series after the ending I hated it. So many things could have been better just wasted. And Ray is a better actor in here than Bobby. Bobby was terrible. Not bad actor terrible but I wonder is he joking or is her serious. His glasses didn’t help and the entire scene of him shouting HE IS A DEVIL! HE IS A DEVIL! in the disciplinary hearing was stupid. It insults my intelligence. I don’t find this series touching when it is so pretentious.
point is this series just forgot the root of the story and branched out too many.
And the whole idea of why Power Chan betrayed his father was even stupider. What of him trying to prove himself to his father of his capabilities BY selling secret information of the company is to me was like WHAT?! Even the writer didn’t try to explain further. They just let him get shot, saved his father, happy ending.
Well, i find the idea new since i don’t recall myself watching a series about devils but turning out the person isn’t actually a devil.. but again, it was a let down to portray that idea in an entertaining way. The family part is very draggy, unnecessary and cliche. I didn’t bother paying attention to those parts.
Forgot to mention, i find the complains totally nonsense! Most of the TVB dramas have ‘suicide scenes’, not to mention ‘argument scenes’ especially in HOG and MR which was FULL of those but yet there were many praises and received high ratings. They can’t live without filing at least one complaint, even if the reason is so … stupid.
Funn,
“point is this series just forgot the root of the story and branched out too many.”
That assessment can be used to describe many TVB series. Also, perhaps if the script featured Raymond as a true devil, maybe the conflict resolution was too difficult to imagine? Or the series regarded as too sinister to be acceptable in Hong Kong? Sending him to jail does sound like a too convenient resolution though.
“In addition, several audience complaints were filed against Shirley Yeung’s (楊思琦) variety program, Paw Love . The audience found the scene in which roaches, lizards, and white mice were fed to a snake to be unsettling.”
These people should stay in a cave and never come out to this world. Real world is too traumatizing for them.
i Have been watching it but im not near the end yet. im finding this series very annoying so i cant be bothered to watch it till the end. i just want to know what happens at the end so i can move on.
It was so-so series. The delivery of this series was not good. TVB needs to polish up the plot more and it could have bring more viewership.It is draggy on some parts, I skip some episodes; first episode was really bad! The cast is great, the story is hmmm. If the story going to trick the audience, make it really good.
2.75 stars out of 5.
MWNS only worth if you want to watch LF’s acting. The idea for the plot is good but they failed to make sense out of it.
And yeah, man just have to deeply love the female lead (for really no reason). That’s so annoying. I would prefer Ah Mui-Toi Fung, it would be better if Ah Mui was the one who snatched Toi Fung back to reality with his sister, not Fong Fong, but too bad, Ah Mui is just the supporting role.
And really Bobby and TY make no chemistry.
I agree. I wish it was Ah Mui at the cliff scene instead of Fong Fong.. it would have been more touching since we all know how much Ah Mui loves Toi Fung. Oh wells, they still have a chance after he gets out of prison! Haha..
Hmn, now that i think of it… maybe the producer didn’t kill off Toi Fung because they had high confidence in MWNS and considered making a sequel if it had good ratings but i guess not now.
Yes, too bad tavia is the lead actress so automatically the men have to love her. I can understand Dr. O being in love w/ her supposed youth and beauty, but why was toi fung not touched by ah mui who never gave up on him?
And despite everyone being so upbeat after the jail visit, I think his sentence should be pretty long. Attempted murder by way of assassin, conspire to frame someone of murder, mind control, etc…
Maybe we can say that this series is illogical so even the love of Tai Fung is also illogical.
Personally I enjoyed the series very much. I for one give the credit to the scriptwriter although I can see a lot of people may not agree. Is it the ratings, speculation, promotion or one person copying another’s reaction?
The clues to what the drama wanted to deliver were given in the promo clips and narration and Producer Poon saying that we can’t watch the drama with reality as it has been done with high creativity. We had a dose of that, it breaks through our thoughts. Can the mind see or understand something beyond the mind?
Or course with TV there must be a sense of entertainment but the essence, as in the promotion is about understanding humans, the good, ugly and devilish side. The devil from the start is our own temptation, the reasoning, justification, comparison (hence jealousy, dark secrets often with regrets that causes our life miseries. That’s why in first promo clip you see Raymond say – Don’t blame me, I did not do anything.
And in the final episode, Gigi summarising how each one of us has a devil inside us and because Typhoon understands this (as shown in the first few chapters and his narration) he uses this as a tool (very clever)to seek revenge hence our own devil is a lot more terrifying then the one we see with our eyes which happens to be an illusion or fake. Unfortunately Typhoon himself is trapped within his own devil. The struggle between his devil (to complete the revenge) and his pure heart, or conscience (which everyone has) was beautifully portrayed at the cliff.
The rest of the cast and storyline was to illustrate the points he was making at the narration and how Bobby started his narration some time when Typhoon was exposed. This proves that even when it is delivered so obviously people still do not understand.
I give it 9/10. 0.5 pts lost for absurdity where he could walk out of the car unscratched to reach Dr.O at the accident site before the rescue, better if accident was not that dramatic and 0.5pts lost for Vincent who thought he could gain points from dad if he betrayed him. I rather he just took revenge bcos he hated the father. Otherwise, great drama. It’s different, fresh and acting was brilliant overall even by Sire Ma.
” Is it the ratings, speculation, promotion or one person copying another’s reaction?”
I reach my conclusion on my own accord. Not copying anyone’s reaction.
What does ratings have to do with the criticism voiced here? I don’t see the correlation.
Why must you assign some other reasons for the criticism other than the plain and simple reason the series do have these flaws?
Is your own high opinion of the series based on ratings, speculation, promotion?
Ignore my comment above.
I thought you were talking about FH3.
Blame it on me reading your comment from the ‘recent comment’ page.
Got to go now. Rest the rest later. Seems like a jump the gun.
I agree with a lot of points you pointed. Watching this series need a degree of suspension belief.
The main focus of this series is the study of human psyche, the devil inside our heart.
That why I like this series.
But, I also have to agree with some of the criticism. Maybe the the execution the idea is not very well done. Hence, the illogical plot that irk people.
But, personally, I like this series.
@jacko:
I think toi fung was definitely injured during the accident. He had a dream that the devil gave him the chance to come back for revenge. So when he was standing over Dr. O at the accident site, it was like an outer body experience.
I wished the story had stayed along w/ supernatural premise.
I wonder, if he really was a devil, then the whole plagiarising concept will be the talk of town now. Glad it turned out that he is not.
” Is it the ratings, speculation, promotion or one person copying another’s reaction?”
I reach my conclusion on my own accord. Not copying anyone’s reaction.
What does ratings have to do with the criticism voiced here? I don’t see the correlation.
I don’t know – that’s why I ask. I did not imply the above as critisms, they are all personal views and I respect that. Just that sometimes these factors may influence a person into liking or disliking. Maybe.
I watched it without any precondition and hence enjoyed it. Yeah, it has some flaws but don’t every single series? But overall I thought it was executed well just depends on one’s perspective and sharing on mine. Sorry if I offend anyone.
The parts I particularly liked
– the story base from the dark side of pharmaceutical which is too true
– the updated trend of alarming Alzheimer’s patients and the commercial value of its drugs
– the inhumane side of men for business profits, the effects
– a family member cannot accept the effects and plots a revenge
– the method is to have one suffer not death itself but the facing of death and how fear controls men from their own doing (this part was bravo when Typhoon pushed Dr.O’s father to the brink and asked him what are men most afraid of and he said death. If the wife will not kill him what does he fear then and in the bus back he said men’s fear is created by one’s thoughts. If you don’t think you don’t fear). Too true.
– the skill he used – hypnotism. This was also very clever. In fact in real life even child birth is looking at hypnotism as pain relief and hard to say whether the level in this drama is realistic. But it’s interesting.
Oh ya, and did you realise Typhoon could not hypnotise Auntie Poon? If one is in their mind, they have a pattern and it is through this pattern for those who know how, that you can hypnotise, cast spells or be possess. That’s why I give high credit to the scriptwriter. But I don’t expect this show to have high ratings because a lot of people watch dramas for other reasons. Same feeling when I watched Matrix and The Day the Earth stood still.
Wow, you really focus on a lot of issue brought out in the series. I didn’t may much attention to those social issue (pharmaceutical company, Alzheimer). I focus more in their study of human psyche. Yes, I like that part where Toi Fung asked Dr.O’s dad what men are most afraid off too.
I also like the monologue by Toi Fung and Dr.O on their observation of human nature.
Most interesting to me is still Toi Fung’s mental processing. How he hypnotise himself to escape from reality because he cannot cope with the pain it brings.
I know hypnosis is powerful. But, can it be done by just rubbing the apple? The difference between hypnobirthing and other form of hypnosis currently available is the person being hypnotised is aware of it. He/she follow the instruction of the hypnosis expert. The illusion that come after the hypnotise are all possible. Just wonder than the way to achieve it. Toi Fung just rub the apple a few times. Many a time, the other person wasn’t even looking at the apple.
@ Jacko
He also cannot hypnotise Mui’s mom because she wasn’t looking at his apple and she prevented him from biting it. Lol.
@Kidd
Ya true too about the mother:-) That’s why it’s interesting but I am not a hypnotise expert but able to accept fresh ideas as a drama. Love it!
@Kidd: Also by his fingers.