Karena Ng Denies Cheating on Raymond Lam
When Raymond Lam (林峯) and Karena Ng (吳千語) openly announced their relationship to the public this past February, they have been in the media spotlight ever since. After their month-long vacation, the pair has been basking in their honeymoon phase. However, that recently changed when Karena was rumored to have cheated on Raymond when he had to fly to China for his new film.
Party Lover to Quiet Girlfriend
The 19-year-old Karena is known to be a party enthusiast, preferring to spend her nights out at clubs and bars. She has been rumored with numerous wealthy candidates such as Howard Lam (林孝信). It was said that Karena broke up with Derek Lim, son of former Miss Hong Kong winner, Ellen Wong (王愛倫), in order to date Raymond.
Though there is a 14-year gap between Karena and Raymond, although both voiced many times that they do not have any communication problems. Raymond has been very vocal in his love towards Karena. However, with Raymond now working in China, Karena may be tempted to pursue her party lifestyle again.
Lonely Karena Stays Overnight at Male Friend’s House?
In Raymond’s absence, Karena reportedly resorted to calling her male friends to alleviate boredom. Last week, she was seen with a Stephen Huynh (黃長興) look-a-like, who was later uncovered to be magazine editor, Jimmy Yu.
Immediately after her function, Karena quickly changed out of her work clothes and into a casual jean ensemble to meet up with friends, including Jimmy. After what seemed like a birthday celebration dinner, Karena and her friends went to karaoke and stayed until 3 AM in the morning. Eventually, Karena reportedly spent the night at Jimmy’s, leaving question marks hanging in the air.
Raymond and Karena Dismiss Photos
When the paparazzi approached Raymond, he pushed the party photos away and confidently said, “Don’t make things up, she’s only working for him!” Raymond also reassured reporters that he has knowledge about Karena’s whereabouts and that he knows all of her friends.
Karena later responded, “The paparazzi has such imagination…I was only spending time with some friends, I’m not sure what there is to write about. I knew I was being followed, but I didn’t know it would be reported in such a manner.”
Source: Oriental Sunday #804 via ihktv.com
This article is written by Su for JayneStars.com.
If Karena cheated on Raymond, she is really stupid. Raymond Lam is a handsome and popular good mine heir. I am sure that there will be so many pretty girls going after him. She is super lucky to be a successful gold digger.
haha agree on the rich part not the handsome part. he is kinda girly looking just mho raymond’s fans please dont kill me.
LOL!!!
i have to agree with you on that one. he isnt good looking. like you know he has done a lot of plastic surgery to his face because he did not look like that a few years ago
I’m glad someone else agrees that Raymond Lam isnt very good looking. Although he is rich =)
-sophia,
i know right, yes, he has $$$$$$$ but handsome? no, average cute at best haha…
i know NOT his fan so i won’t kill you i love honesty. haha lol
i am surprised a few people feel the same way as I do 🙂
@khanhnguyen, oh not even mention plastic surgeries, I was talking about now, looking at his photo in this article or other photos or watching tv series, he is very cute but definitely not handsome.
young and rich? check, check
handsome? nope
@sophia, agreed, he’s average looking. Character of a man is most important.
cheater? turn-off
liar? turn-off
hard-working? check
high EQ? check
$$$ is just icing on the cake and also attracts/comes with it’s own set of headaches.
I also don’t think Raymond is handsome but he is attractive. He isn’t cute to me since he does look more mature than his age. He is my age but looks way older than me. But a person’s character and other things are more important than money and looks. Also, Karena is not Jue Se Mei Ren herself so she is lucky to have Raymond.
“$$$ is just icing on the cake and also attracts/comes with it’s own set of headaches”
Umm.. see if you can live without that ‘icing’
@Fanna, “icing on the cake” is used to refer to something good that happens “on top of” an already good thing or situation. 😉
I’m not a big fan of Ray but if you girls/guys think he is not handsome, then.. can you post a photo of you/your boyfriends/husbands? His eyes are so memorizing; cute smile, hot body, and great skin. On screen he looks cute/hot, in person – MORE handsome and hot.
But, the points I do agree with you all is that K-girl is lucky to find him. She is NOT pretty (her nose is so fake), not RICH, and doesn’t have the body at all… 19 only and she is dating one of the most wanted men in Hong Kong.
Quite frankly I hope they break up and end their relationship painfully.
All I can say is, beauty is in the eye of the beholder… Also, Ray is not natural so it would not be fair if we posted photos of our boyfriends/husbands who are supposedly natural and don’t have all of the make up, PS and other things to enhance their looks like Ray and other artists do.
Haha, agree with HeTieShou.
Oh I rarely tell my boyfriend that he is handsome but he is, very good-looking and tall.
I did say Raymond is cute so no need to be upset Mandy, peace.
And Mandy dont need to be so jealous with this Karena actress, I am sure you have a very nice boyfriend/husband of your own. If not yet then will be in the future 🙂
I don’t know if she actually cheated on him, but not surprised she likes to party. She’s 19 years old after all
I think there’s a underlying stereotype there. Not all 19 year old girls like to party, if you know what I’m trying to get at.
And I don’t think any of us would know exactly if she did or did not cheat. :/
being in the industry, you have to be social. she’s definitely a party person.
That’s a stereotype as well, starry.
If you look at Gigi Lai/Linda Chung, they weren’t party animals!!
Karena is probably a flirt or a tease which will give outsiders a misconception that she is fooling around. Again, since she is only 19 years old, she is a party animal who strives for attention and still immature for a stable commitment. Look at the older female artists like Linda Chung or Kate Tsui who knows who they want and will act accordingly not to draw too much negative attention to themselves. My gut feeling is that Karena and Raymond will not last due to their age difference, life experiences and immediate and future goals within the next 2-5 years. A good example is Gaile Lok and Aaron Lai.
well written, aptos
” All it takes in a relationship is two people coming together, if they want it to work… YES IT WILL WORK. I think this is what they call the ‘power of love’ “
who the hick is aaron lai? aaron kwok + leon lai?
She meant to say Leon Lai.
I have some of the same thoughts as you aptos. However, I don’t think the age difference is what it is because there are other couples with an even bigger age difference but they lasted. But the girl was older and Karena is only 20 so she is still young. It seems like she is forever 19 or something.I really agree with the goals and stuff but who knows??Time will tell all…
After reading Coco and HeTieshou’s comments, I want to throw up….
What the hell??? I almost barfed after seeing your comment as well.
i agree with you, since she is only 19 years old. she has she own world.when she become age like raymond she will think raymond is too old for her.
I don’t know if LF really thinks this will work long-term or if he’s just a dumb-dumb. Also not sure what he expects out of this.
If anything, this relationship should be an open one.
Maybe she’s just a cover? Mavis Pan said there was a 3rd, 4th, 5th party back then.
Maybe they ARE in an open relationship and the one with Karena got busted so they had no other choice but to admit to this one while keeping the others a secret.
Ah, see, now I’m being gossipy like the 15 year old girls on this site. Look at what you’ve done.
KN=
That wont be accurate because before raymond, karena was dating someone else. If your assumption is true, then karena and raymond are cheaters.
@Coco, what assumption? It’s a question.
“Mavis discovered “cheating” evidence in Raymond’s cell phone and there were even fourth and fifth parties in the relationship!”
http://www.jaynestars.com/news/raymond-lam-flirted-with-rose-chan-while-dating-mavis-pan/
Would a cheater/liar give up all those other parties just like that? Hmmm …
used the wrong word, but question*
But I do not think your question is true, because before dating raymond, karena was dating someone else…
So if your question has a “yes” to it, then.. both parties are cheaters.
@Coco, I think you’re right that both are cheaters (regardless of the question) in a past relationship, at least.
hold on my friend!
I only said that if what you’re asking is true, that would make both parties (Karena and Raymond) as cheaters! :/
@Coco, oh, what if she doesn’t know?
well.. i don’t think none of us know. o.O
@Coco, true, nice chatting with you.
Hopefully, people will “keep eyes on the ball” and not get distracted.
Re KN and Coco:
… I spend 2 mins reading and trying to figure out what you girls said but I couldn’t LOL.. no idea at all what you girls meant.
But anyway, my take is that Mavis probably didn’t find 3, 4th, and 5th parties.. MAYBE K-girl was a cheater and dumped her boyfriend to be with Raymond (I would too btw LOL), and Raymond was just too desperate to be with her.. if not, why would he do so much things to hurt his fans? I have a friend who is one of his fans and she was so sad, she wanted to commit suicide… thank god she’s okay!!
If this is true, good for the paparazzi for catching Karena in the act. If this is made up, shame on them for attempting to tarnish Karena’s image and integrity.
Uggh.. like she has “image and integrity” lol. If she did, she would not have forced him to ADMIT in front of the press that she’s his girlfriend.
First off, how do you know she forced him? Only Ray and Karena knows the truth, so your assumption is of no help to your argument.
Second, even if she did force him to admit it, I don’t see how that’s lacking integrity.
It’s quite alright to not like these two, but please don’t make assumptions and get all catty about their relationship. Especially what you know about these two mostly comes from these types of rumors or articles.
WOW, a reply from user H and you too! People must be naive not to think she forced him to admit their relationship… Ron Ng’s girlfriend was also that kind of person!! I really think it’s a fair assumption. You can deny it all you want, but someday, when they do break up, the truth will come out lol.
I am not denying anything, I am actually not making an assumption. I don’t know them in person so I won’t judge what really goes on within their relationship. I always take a grain of salt with these types of articles. But there’s these people that would take these articles word for word and believe everything as the truth.
Just so you know, insulting others does not make your point any more valid. Instead it makes you look immature and desperate in trying to prove your point. Try debating in a more civil manner and maybe others will take your point of view more seriously.
Well said Wildberries, I laughed at your comment because you sounded really nice and spoke well; I have no words to say to this post lol.
Well, that’s just your point of view WildBerries. I really think it’s a problem to hurt fans (who support Ray, quite frankly, if they didn’t, he wouldn’t be this successful in the entertainment industry) just to “admit” their relationship.
I QUITE ADMIRE Mavis Poon. She was wrong on leaking out their bed photos but she did have class when they were still dating (she didn’t force him to announce their relationship or did what Ron Ng’s ex did).
She is a little girl after all. Poor Uncle Ray must be worry while working in mainland. These 2 won’t last just like Leon and Gaile
Yup, uncle Raymond. The younger doesnt mean it’s better. The older doesn’t mean they have more experience. Hahaha
Saw a video clip where Karena said to the reporter that “it’s not easy when their schedules require them to be apart”. Don’t think this relationship will last.
someone pleaaaaaaase end this relationship soon so that there won’t be any more boring scandals about them
grrrr..
Totally agreed 🙂
1= Just because she is 19 and in the entertainment industry, it does not mean she is party animal.
2= Just because Leon and Gaile did not last long, it does not mean that RF and Karena will not either. How Leon and Gaile ended up in a divorce could be caused by Leon being away and she felt lonely or vice versa. As outsiders, we do not know what is the relationship between these two people. In real life, there is a couple at my mom’s office where the boss and the boss lady are ending in a divorce because the male counterpart is always away and that had a huge effect. that could be one of the reasons of why Gaile and leon didn’t last.
3= If this rumour is true, a lot of RF fans would probably hate her or be angry since there are plenty of girls who are jealous of her and she would be a complete fool to cheat.
Coco, I agree with you on ur 3rd point, but with your 1st and 2nd points aren’t you being just a bit too positive?
@Yeung4life:
I am only saying that because I have friends who are 19 but they are not party animals. Also Gigi Lai has entered the entertainment industry since she was really young. However, Gigi Lai was not a party animal. You can speak the same for Linda Chung.
Nah, it’s not being too positive. All it takes in a relationship is two people coming together, if they want it to work… YES IT WILL WORK. I think this is what they call the ‘power of love’
–Chills–
I’m a sucker for that kind of thing =/
Very good points @Coco. AGREED
Wow. She is more mature than he is?!
It’s all too clear by now who’s really in charge of this relationship. I remember watching the appledaily newsclip of LF saying “love her” 7x, and in the same clip her response was like “oh I guess I gotta say ‘thank you’ 7 times back or something”.
Holy crap, you guys. Remember when Princess Leia said “I love you” to Han Solo and he said “thank you” back? That’s like…it’s the best non-response you can give when someone tells you that they love you.
This guy, man. This frikkin guy.
LOL, you are right on dd. Ray is the follower in this relationship and K-girl is just eating him, eating him and telling him to do this/do that.
Doubt she would dare. They’re eyeing her like a hawk. Fans, paps and what nots.
I think its over already.
This new come sooner then I expected it …. next will be bunch of denied and show off that they are still in love, he will shower her with gifts, they will dine out looking like in love no problem then BAM bye bye ….
Her face looks weird in that pic.
What a pessimist, Larry3, but I guess there’ll always ;be such stories as she is young still. Raymond is not going to have an easy time keeping her happy all the time.
Well, Raymond can find another teenage gal off the street if this relationship doesnt last further.
If this is true, this won’t be a pretty nor smart move for Karena. She would be hated or be given the “What the heck are you doing?! Raymond Lam is rich and “good-looking”” look by his fans. ;s
If this relationship does not work out then there are plenty of other fish in the sea..
Ha ha the knives are out already!!
Karena may not be the party girl ,but the earlier point stating that she broke up with Derek and date Raymond Lam ,I personally feel that there is a possibility she done such thing i said so because for a young and pretty model,most likely she will consider to date Raymond who is higher profile than she are now ..anyway is just my though ,she may not that type of girl
I said before and I will say it again. In many cases, the Asian population needs to get over themselves about a lot of things and get real. Welcome to the real world in 2013. There is nothing wrong with a guy or a girl being 14 years older than each other. Look at the many Hollywood couples who have or even larger age differences and are still togetherA relationship depends on the two individuals, how much they are willing to compromise and sacrifice for each other. It is also about working together as a team, being friends and not just lovers. Willing to stay the distance and not letting anyone come between them, no matter how young or old the couples are, and not giving into temptation from third parties. The press or media do not break up relationships.
I have noticed a lot of you have said that Karina should not cheat on Raymond because he is good looking and rich. I agree if the relationship is not working out, he or she should go their separate ways and then continue their lives with other love interests. I am not saying anything bad about Raymond because from what I know of him, he is a decent guy. It is preschool grammar to make such comments. Just because a guy or a girl is good looking or rich does not mean all is fine and dandy in a relationship, or the person is an exciting person as a conversationalist, as a social date, as a lover or as a partner in general. I am not saying Karena or Raymond fit into these categories, so please don’t shoot me. I am just amazed at some of the comments I read. Also a celeb can be young, in the industry and be social without being a party animal.
Have to agree with @Crystal and @Coco, if two people want the relationship to work, IT WILL WORK.
@Trini,
Yes I agree that there is nothing wrong with one partner being significantly older than the other. True that it takes compromise and sacrifices on both parties as per all relationships, even those without an age difference.
Communication, understanding of one’s circumstances and forgiveness are also essentials ingredients to make any relationship work especially in a relationship with a large age difference where 2 people may have different life experiences and viewpoints in addition to their sometimes differing level of maturity.
I agree with you, Trini. 🙂
Are you K-girl’s friend of her personally LOL?? Why are you helping her so much lol?
You are saying Hollywood, they are in CHINA or HONG KONG, not U-S-A!! People in HK is so rigid minded and “outdated” so to speak. I doubt they will last forever, I can bet my life that they won’t last!
I don’t think it’s helping anyone or not, it’s a matter of person to person respect in this world.
I honestly don’t understand why people would wish people to break up PAINFULLY. I mean, really? How about wish on something more worthy? Like… end world hunger? I don’t know man. Why waste a wish to end someone’s relationship? I’ll never understand…
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People say Raymond has crazy followers/fans and that they’re VERY bothersome, but I think Raymond haters are on a whole new plateau of CRAZY.
@Mandy, that is a head shaking statement you made. Why would anyone have to be K’s personal friends to say something positive about her relationship with Raymond. That is very petty and outdated, lol. Yes, if they were in the Western world, no one would bat an eyelash at the 14 years age difference. Yes Asians have this thing about the guy should be the same, or no more than two years older than the woman, he should be taller, he should be making more money, he should be incredibly handsome if she is gorgeous, they should be from the same educational, social, and financial background. It is a punch of outdated feces. If they break up, the delusional lost fangirls can go back to their pathetic daydreams of being the one who will catch Raymond.
Crystal, I don’t want to use swear words against you, so you don’t want to talk about my parents lol.
Support him and her whatever you want, you can win this argument but quite frankly, lose your face lol.
Re Trini:
OK, maybe you girls aren’t her friends but it’s quite funny when I saw her interview. She says Ray wasn’t angry and was laughing at the report but you can see from her expression, it’s a complete lie LOL.
Lololol. Well I already clarified I was not directly pin pointing fingers at your parents just showing you stating an opinion is not okay sometimes.
And to your friend/best friend scenario, she needs medical attention ASAP if you want her to live well. Also, I advise you to stop wishing death ends on someone else who probably had no direct responsibility on all this. Afterall you want to set a good example for your friend, not add more fuel to her despair….
Whatever Crystal, your entitled to your own opinion and so as the other users here.. Just stating my opinion.
Pfft right because wishing someones end is def an opinion to be okay about. Right. Sure. Whatever floats your boat. I guess it would be okay for me to say your parents didnt raise you very well? Yup, thats my opinion and its def okay since its an opinion.
Btw that parent comment was to illustrate that sometimes opinions just arent okay. Not that I am picking at your parents directly. Lol..
Please be respectful of everyone’s privacy! LF and KN are human too and should be left alone! LF Love FUNG!!!
agree!!!
They have no privacy since they are in the entertainment industry.
LOL, high-five Larry 3. There is a chinese saying, “eat salty fish, need to resist being thirsty.” They are stupid if they think they will not be criticized or if the press will not follow them. Ray – It is not easy to “admit” a relationship in the HK industry LOL, your not in Hollywood hottie LOL!
“Those who eat salty fish will have to accept being thirsty.”
This is so annoying! Raymond lost a lot of fans because of her and he has done a lot to be with her! If this is true then she doesn’t deserve Raymond! She is so stupid- he is wealthy, handsome, (looks) considerate! What more do you want?
Agree with you; but I would like to add – Raymond is also stupid too for picking her. SO MUCH selection in his hands – Linda, Kate, even ELIZA Sum is better than her. But, yet, she chooses a young/fake, ugly looking girl as his girlfriend. K-girl can be his daughter!! He is blind…..
It is Raymond’s life and choice so he can date who he wants. Even his parents can’t pick for him, so who else has the right to?? It’s not like he will marry her for sure, but even if he does it is HIS choice. I must say that I think Raymond could have chosen someone else, but in the end it is his life and choice. I am glad that he finally had the courage to acknowledge her instead hide his relationship like he did in the past.
Like you said, of course he has the choice to make his own decisions in life. But, it’s quite sad though that he hurt so many people but yet people are praising him for being caring/loving/”making his own choices in life.”
There is certainly nothing wrong with dating somebody, but the real problem here is not caring about his fans’ feelings (he really wants them all to leave), acting before thinking (calling her BB for 7 times, uggh, disgusting AND the time when he acknowledged her as gf – HE NEVER ASKED HIS MANAGER OR LOK’S OPINION). Is this irrational?? YES, it is!
Ray is certainly a handsome/talented artiste and I do wish him to find a beautiful wife (even though I am angry at him for making fans, esp. my friend commit suicide), but he needs to think before talking.
Maybe she gets lucky and hook up with the rich old dwarf Aaron Kwok thereby LF becomes dispensable.
I love all these intrigues.
Since “old dwarf Aaron Kwok” was dumped by Lynn, he’s the “bad shoes”. Who wants to “wear bad shoes”? 🙂
LF is much better since he is younger, has much higher EQ and an heir (which is just icing on the cake).
She’s only 19. What do you expect? She’s haven’t experience the good life yet. She can do whatever she want. When she get sick of dating an old guy Raymond, bub bye. That’s what u get for dating a girl that is not even legal to drink in America.
I really like coming here and reading all the articles but everytime I read him flirting with K-girl, I think of how my friend struggled emotionally… I really hope “heaven punishes them both.”
Dear Mandy,
I’m sorry to hear about your friend. I think your friend needs therapy because suicidal tendencies should be addressed by a trained medical professional.
As a friend, I think you need to get help. I mean, help her.
I really hope “heaven punishes them both.” — erm, for what exactly? Being together? Or causing your friend to be upset?
Re Siying below:
I know nobody will believe what I say.. but, yes, she is having therapy. Quite sad to witness her try to commit suicide and seeing her cry in the hospital….
I hope heaven punishes them causing my friend to be so upset.. My friend also knows some other fans (1 or 2 I think) who tried to commit suicide and some other fans (the “normal” fans so to speak) who accepted them together. But, the overall opinion of them being together has been rather negative (some fans wish them the best, while other fans were so upset, they threw away all his cds, photos, etc…..).
That Karena should die if she cheated on him!! And.. I do believe she did, after when everybody said “NO, they’re not dating” when actually they WERE, I believe everything HK magazines says now.
As for Raymond.. you will also be my idol but.. she will bring you down man, I see history repeating itself (Karena looks like Mavis Poon version 2.0)!!!
“Karena should die if she cheated on him”
Die? Seriously?!?
I mean, cheating isn’t morally correct in any sense, but you think she should die if she cheated on your idol?
Then what about molesters, rapists, child abusers, wife beaters, animal abusers?
Serves him right!! He definitely should’ve thought about dating such a young girl. If he thinks she will not party and not drink because she has him only, then Raymond, let me tell you, “YOU are very naive!”
No wonder you don’t like Coco and my comments. You seem to be an ex Ray fan and are mad at him for dating Karena. I can see a trend in your posts… You can hate all you want because in the end, it is Raymond’s life…He can do what he likes and date who he wants to.
O, whatever lol. I admit, I am angry at him choosing her. Like I stated earlier, there are much better choices than her, if he chose Linda or Kate, I think I wouldn’t be this angry or not angry at all.
He is always a very hardworking, talented, careful artiste in my heart but now.. he certainly is a blinded fool…
its not like raymond never cheated, we all know he did!!! karena is only doing what Raymond did to Mavis, lol.
bet his high strung dad is P.O.’ed now, karena is painted as some innocent little doll to marry, he hated and ridiculed the blow-up Mavis for pulling his son’s leg when all she did was love him. at least Mavis was loyal to Raymond when they were STILL together even when he had half a dozen other girls on the side. yes we can all see who is the good and bad guy now.
before someone berates Mavis again, she was just naive and dumb for letting the press in on too much details but she did her part in the relationship by not fooling around.
raymond and karena are two peas in a pod. they use and discard/toss ppl aside like yesterday’s trash even when their ex still loved them, sad really.
hope they get their so called “happy ending” at others misery. karma will catch up like it is now.
sorry for sounding harsh, just pure observation here.
well think about it, if a girl can leave a guy she’s been with for four yrs, what sense of loyalty do you think she has?
raymond has it coming, still just thinking from the bottom down, karena is no proper woman but thats probably not his taste anyway despite what he wants the public to think.
karena is a young girl who deserves her right to have fun with friends. normal for someone her age especially since raymond is not at her side and he prohibits her from visiting him. even if she find another guy, karma for raymond for leaving mavis without words when he go and have fun with that kibby girl in night clubs.
@sel_fi_wu, agreed, the best time in most people’s lives is their 20s, which Karena is entering. She should go out and enjoy it with friends (before life makes it impossible and they all go their separate ways).
Because you stop making friends after you’re 25, right?
FYI, 20s means 20-29.
Unless you have been through your 20s (and most of your friends are married with a family), I do not expect you to understand.
My point still stands.
Since coming here to HK I’ve made friends with two Japanese women. Of course I’m only 24 so it doesn’t count but for them, they made friends with me and each other and they’re in their 30s and 40s.
Did I write anything about making friends?
There’s a little confusion here that I think we should clear up before moving on.
>She should go out and enjoy it with friends (before life makes it impossible and they all go their separate ways).
You: She should enjoy life with her friends before she can no longer go out and enjoy life with her friends since they will all go their separate ways.
Me: You can always make new friends anytime.
You: That’s impossible.
Me: No it’s not.
You: I’m being petty.
Fan: Enjoy your 20s with friends.
dd: Make friends in your 20s.
See the difference?
Ohhhh-kay.
Don’t you think you’re leaving this part out:
>(before life makes it impossible and they all go their separate ways).
It’s kind of important and you were the one that typed it.
I can sort of see why you place so much importance to the friends you made when you’re young, as if they’re the only friends you’re going to make for the rest of your life.
Ouch Fan, you just got burned by dd. 🙂
Actually, life wouldn’t make it impossible, it’s people themselves who make it impossible.
Friends wouldn’t go separate ways ( despite marriage and kids) if everyone makes the time and effort to catch up and meet up regularly. Yes, it may be a little difficult scheduling everyone together but it would not be impossible and true friends wouldn’t go separate ways.
Well if they did, then it’s time to do what dd said. You can always make new friends anytime.
@dd, are there any English Reading Comprehension classes in your area? 😉
@Fan
Things must get very awkward for you when you’re on “Who Wants to be a Millionaire” and you’re left with “Phone a Friend” as your only lifeline.
I read all of the comments from everybody, esp. Mandy’s lol and I must admit Ray has made a wrong decision.
Many say it’s his choice, who he wants to be with in life, certainly, without choice it’s his choice. But, in the end, I really doubt they will last forever. I foresee him suffering the same fate he did 2 years ago (crying in public).
Do I hope that to happen? Not really, I admire him as an actor and he is still my idol in my heart but the whole relationship is getting a little bit out of hand right now and I honestly (so as many other fans I’ve spoken with) hope they break up soon.
They are some disrespectful people here that are pro-Karena so I don’t want to talk about her.. she definitely wouldn’t had been this “famous” had it not been Ray (I’m sure he helped her a lot). Hope after she gets her 15 mins of fame, she can go and find another person bec. Ray deserves a better girlfriend than her.
It’s their choice to be together and it’s certainly NOT their choice to stop the media from following them and reporting bec. hey, they’re in the entertainment industry, from day 1 onwards, they should’ve known they will be followed LOL. Like how grammar teacher FOX said lol, “Those who eat salty fish will have to accept being thirsty.”
LOL, typo: without question, it’s his choice.
Pardon me for being daft, but I’m wondering why fans would want their idol to break up with his/her other half?
Also, how does one justify whether the other half is deserving of their idol’s love. I mean, if one’s idol is happy with a certain person, shouldn’t fans also be happy that their idol is happy and be happy for them?
It’s all very puzzling to me because what does ‘better’ mean? Famous, wealthy, pretty, good natured, talented, mature ?
I’m neither a Raymond fan nor pro Karena, I’m just a baffled bystander.
I certainly agree with Ray fan’s comment. This girl is certainly not rich, beautiful (there are much prettier girls than her), NOT EDUCATED (she didn’t complete college), young (19!!?!?!?), bad image (already partying, cheating), and yet he picks her.
I CAN BET MY LIFE that his family doesn’t like her. Well, certainly, you can all agree that “that’s your assumption girl,” but like’s a chinese saying, “Draw cartoons not need to drink their intestines,” somethings are too obvious or somewhat understandable that there’s no need to require proof (no need to find his parents ask them personally, “Do you like Karena Ng??”
Wait wait, so about you betting your life, can I call your bet if it isn’t true?
You don’t need to have a degree to be smart. Being smart is really just taking advantage of your surroundings and being able to consider different viewpoints so that your decisions are correct ones.
Karena is extremely intelligent. She says the right things, she acts the right way, and she somehow got LF to be her sugar daddy. All at 19. That’s absurd. She’s a genius.
But of course, most celebrities are dumb. And yes, going through higher education like university does wise you up to how the world really works.
Re dd:
If you really think his parents like him, you can certainly argue your point. But, I am 99% sure if you ask many people, will they accept a daughter-in-law who is so much younger, not rich, not educated, a party girl, etc., I’m sure they wouldn’t. Why? Because:
1. His parents are a traditional Chinese family, with traditional morals and values. Mavis Poon was a classic example, she said his parents didn’t like her, they “looked down on her” for being poor.
2. Put yourself in their shoes. If you had a son who is handsome/talented/rich like him, would you want her to find K-girl as his girlfriend? You can lie and tell me, “I don’t care,” but when you are in this position years from now (or maybe you have a son right now), I’m 99% sure you would want your son to find a better girlfriend.
3. Lol, you can call my life lol
4. As for K-girl being smart, for that, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU. She is quite manipulative and “smart” to find a boyfriend like Raymond. She can make him dizzy and declare his love towards her while she just replies with, “I thank him” lol. Ray is certainly a blind fool.
For #1, it should be “His parents come from a traditional Chinese family.”
@Mandy:
Not every 19 year old girl goes out and parties.
Ray Fan, who do YOU* think would be a good, and PERFECT* match for Raymond???. Just curious and asking.
Another typo for typing too quickly and not proofreading…. “THERE are some disrespectful people here…”
haters all get out
A long time dont visit jaynestars and suddenly there are a lot of new level of craziness, lolz. I really laugh off at comments to say that an ex-fan (i guess) has friend to commit suicide because of that. Wow, its so crazy and stupid. Something I never can see in all of his fans I’ve known. Maybe he gained those type of fans mysteriously.
Btw, its so good for him to lose those types of fans due to Karena. Even if Karena is nothing good (which obviously not true), she brought him a good thing – the out of crazy fans who are too nosy to his private life and do crazy things under the title “fan”. You guys should get a life, tat’s all I can say. Care for your life and grow up.
Without a doubt, I wish them two all the best and a marriage in soon future. Someone mentioned of PSS, oh well, FYI she has just posted her intimate pic with new bf on weibo, so dont need to worry for her or care if she is still loyalty to him. Life is still moving.
I salute your comment Fox. Very, very well said.
Fox and all other users here:
You girls don’t need to believe what I say, I was just stating my story. And, quite frankly, I don’t want you girls to believe it BECAUSE if it comes true, it means somebody died (just like Andy Lau’s fan’s father) or Jackie Chan’s fans.
Support whatever you girls believe in, like I said before, everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
and you two, fox and trini are two of the craziest melodramatic loons around. ive seen you two speak out of your ass as if you know anything and chasing ppl around creating more silliness and idiocracy, making death threats to ppl who disagree with you. when ppl comment on your little idols, you go even more berserk. total nuts, both of you! so put a sock in it.
Karmaduh, I beg to differ, but I could be wrong. HeTieShou, Siying, appledim, CoCo, Trini, Crystal dd and a few others, strike me as reasonable sensible ones. I gotta tell you, been reading Jaynestars for years and never see no one pass out death threats to anybody. Wishing someone dead and actually threatening the person are. Two different things. You sure you old enough or smart enough tounderstand the difference? Then I guess Mandy,alias Disgusting is making death threats to Karena and Raymond. A woman I know spent six months in the big house,jail, for threatening the life of my buddy on the net. This is a serious thing and if Tini threatened. Lives on this site or wherever,that is a serious crime. When did thse threats happened and what thread or page cause I sure missed that
@Siying, I give you a thumbs up for your last comment. I cannot understand why Raymond’s fans would get so upset with him for having Karena as his girlfriend. I guess that happens when poor Raymond has the same fans as Justin Beiber, preteens. Raymond is not going to pick any of them as a wife or girlfriend, and they do no get to control his life in any way, most of all his private life. Karena is old enough to date him. Even if she is not old enough to buy alcohol in the states, but she does not live in North America now, does she?. Different continents, different rules.
Also I would think that Raymond is a fifty five to sixty year old man, or even older the way he is described as an old man. He is in his thirties for crying out loud. If Him and Karena love each other, rather the relationship last or not, let them be. Why get so upset because they are together?, unless these fans have romantic sugar plum dreams of them and Raymond together someday. Wake up, IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. If fans are mature, respectable human beings, who appreciate their idols, they would bite their tongues concerning their idols’ love lives. The idols are the ones who chose who they want. he fans have no say in the matter. Immature love sick puppy fans , or a control freak fans are the ones who will make themselves look even more stupid by dissing about, complaining about, whining about, and being downright mean and vicious towards the idols’ better halves.
Thanks Trini, I appreciate it and I agree with your comments too. I think there are some fans or fanatics, who secretly wish Raymond to be single all his life so that they can imagine a relationship with him or remain in the hope that one day he might pick them. Either by some fantasy make belief story in their heads about how he would fall in love with one of them.
But you are right that “IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.”
Well, I pity these idols sometimes because these idols need these fans, its all in the business but yet somewhere out there, there is always someone who is never going to be happy no matter who he is with.
I also agree with the age difference issue. He really isn’t that old. I was 21 when I met my husband who was 38. When I grew older, we got married and now we have kids.
Sometimes we make jokes like “When you were 10, I was 27, eeeew that’s so gross!” We’d laugh but in retrospect, it really doesn’t matter anymore.
LOL my pants off after both of your posts. It actually happened before, Alan Tam, Matthew Ko (alt. he just broke up with his girlfriend), Wallace Chung (rumor but quite realistic), and I’m sure there were other examples.
As for the whole LOL “fantasy” part, I know some fans who do dream like that, some view it to be a dream (realistic) while others see it as impossible, but there were some successful exceptions lol.
Like I stated before and will say it again, I was his fans but just dislike him for dating this girl and hurting his fans.. My friend and other fans she knows suffered a lot bec. of this.
Dating is certainly nothing wrong but expressing his love towards her in a proper/non-annoying way is really the problem here.
trini, why you make it your business what his fans and nonfans think? acting all high and moral when you are the most judgmental one here, chill out, if you can have your opinion, they will have theirs. majority of your posts is just making inane comments on what others think when its none of your business, comment on the article and get out already. yeesh!
You doing same tg you accuse others of. Karmaduh, hope you ain’t living in a fine looking glass house. Geeeeeeeeesh!
@Karmaduhh, I was wondering when you were going to show up from the Christine Kuo pages to spread your lies and drivel. Why do you make it your business to keep picking on me and spreading your nasty, vicious disgusting lies. Are you not busy enough looking after your various mad cap personalities?. I never threatened yours or anyone’s life with death threats on the internet or anywhere else. Keep this up and you will pay a big price indeed. I remember saying to a piece of human waste to burn in hell. If that is threatening someone with a death threat, then I will threaten you now. BURN IN HELL TO A CRISP AND DON’T COME BACK, YOU ARE A WASTE OF SPACE, BURN FECES, BURN. Now, how about that, lol. Tell the judge, tell the Lord God almighty for all I care, because he hates vicious lies and that is what you did to me, and is still doing. Thou shalt not lie. Tell everyone I am threatening you with death threats. Burn in hell, you bag of stale air. There, you have been death threatened.
i not a fan even i cannot take it for all those who say he not handsome either u jealous or your eyes got problem ,if not tell me who call handsome if not post u call your handsome photo here,
Absolutely….
I read everybody’s comments and I have to say, everybody has their own point, regardless of it being “nasty” or pleasant comments.
My take on it is I want them to break up. Why? It is so annoying to see them on the news ON AND ON AND never ending!!!
I’m a Ray fan and I certainly like his acting/singing. HAVE I DREAMT OF BEING WITH HIM FOREVER? YES!! I asked my mom if this was normal and she say, “Daughter, it’s not wrong to have this type of dream, even I want to be with him.”
I have a boyfriend now too but yet, I still want to be with him, does that mean I am mentally ill?? No, I think it’s just a form of love towards your idol.
You may agree it’s not realistic but there is certainly nothing wrong to “dream” because as long as you don’t hurt others, then what’s there to mock?
I disagree that he should die, now that’s going to extreme lol. But, should they be together? It’s their decision but nothing wrong to state your opinion (like how Mandy said). Some people want them to split, some want them to be together, some SIMPLY DON’T CARE.
As long as he continues to act, sing, dance nicely, I don’t care if he chooses to be with “May May” lol, but dating in such a high-profiled way and hurting others is certainly not right.
I pity Mandy’s friend but I also see Trini, Siying, Crystal, etc.’s points. Let’s just like him flirt with Karena, as a Ray-fan, I only want to care if he continues to entertain us, I don’t want to care if he loves this girl or not.
Thank you so much Mandy for stating your view in a polite manner. I agree with you, nothing wrong to dream and state your opinion.
Well, karma will find its way onto them, and certainly it is acting on them right now lol!! Just thinking of how they flirt and how my friend almost died is certainly injustice and sick……… I just want them to break up and suffer (yes, I’m black-hearted, but my friend is my best friend). If everybody’s best friend or sisters/daughters almost died because of him, I’M SURE all of you would still be in their defense and supporting them/ your own personal views.
LOL, like how he says, “Family is the most important to me,” my best friend is like my sister to me, if she gets hurt, I certainly will not forgive him and her!
@Mandy,
Please watch this video and show it to your friend. It’s a technique commonly used by psychologists called CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy).
Feelings like hurt, anger, resentment etc comes from our Thoughts. If we can change and control our thoughts, we can change the way we feel and hence we can change our behavior.
Example: If your friend changes her Thoughts about her idol’s display of affection in their relationship to one that says “They are in love, I’m happy for them as a fan. Sure it isn’t me but there’s Nothing disgusting about people being in love.”
Then the feelings that follow would be: Happiness
Lastly the Behaviour to accompany that feeling would be: Wishing them happiness and bliss and carrying on with one’s life.
As opposed to negative thoughts : Raymond hurt me with that girl by displaying their love so grotesquely
Feelings: anger, sadness, despair, grief, disgust, hurt, betrayal
Behavior: Attempted Suicide and uncontrollable crying.
Oops sorry the link:
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=HoFNs-3r0Go&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHoFNs-3r0Go
Siying:
Before any treatments or model of therapy be implemented, the person must first identify the problem with someone who is medically licensed. The practitioner then gives them a clinical diagnostic. From there, he/she speaks with the patient/client. As to which therapeutic treatments is used depends on the patient/client’s condition, progress and etc.
Psychological health concerns, if that is the case with Mandy’s friend, is actually pretty tricky. Because at the end of the day, it all depends on the friend. If Mandy were to present such a treatment to her friend, many things can happen
Cons:
1. The friend may feel Mandy is telling her she has some kind of problems and generally people start categorizing themselves as ‘crazy’
2. The friend does believe she is crazy and her conditions worsen AND refuses to search for any kind of help/aid
Pros:
ONLY 1: She goes with the plan and actually uses CBT (if Mandy shows her the video)
^ Btw, that ALMOST never happens…
Therefore, if what Mandy is saying is true about her friend being suicidal and her ‘abnormal behaviors’, she should think about convincing her friend to talk with a licensed therapist/psychiatrist.
@Crystal,
Yes I absolutely agree with you that a licensed therapist/ psychiatrist is needed, it was actually my very first recommendation to Mandy in a post somewhere way up that a trained medical professional should address the issue of her friend’s suicidal tendencies.
However, she said that her friend is having therapy. Hence, I posted the video for her for these reasons:
1) On the assumption that her friend is truly in therapy, as Mandy said, her friend may wish to discuss the video with her therapist to gain further insight and hopefully get more out of each session
2) Presuming Mandy and her friend are truly 2 separate individuals and that if no therapy is actually happening, then for Mandy to convince her friend that such therapy exist and that she should consult a medical professional with knowledge and expertise in this area.
However, I do admit an oversight on my part in the above post and hereby apologize for my oversight and to stress again the importance of speaking with a licensed psychologist and psychiatrist before trying to self administer any form of therapy or treatment.
Siying:
No problem.
But I laughed at the beginning part of your second point.
LOL.
@Crystal,
Thanks for your understanding. 🙂
Lol now that you mentioned it, I re-read what I wrote and I laughed too.
Wow.. the discussion and comments here is much more interesting than their comments. I’m pretty sure people expected her to deny the claims and him to believe in her.
All I want to say is I hope EVERYBODY here gets a life. It’s meaningless to argue over whether they should be together or whether they will be punished. It’s so stupid. Let them be together (I doubt they will last).
I want to comment though that I hope Mandy’s friend can take care. I don’t think it’s wrong (or crazy) to dream being with him; Ray is worth loving – he is talented/handsome/rich, etc. but it is not worth dying for a man who doesn’t love you but loves another girl. Regardless of whether he is Ray or average Joe or Uncle Sam, it is not worth it!! Stay strong Mandy’s friend!!
TVB fan
Yes it isn’t wrong or crazy to dream or fantasize, provided it does not interfere with one’s daily activities and emotional well being,
Otherwise some form of medical intervention is definitely needed because this is not just a passing phase.
Well, for me, I would like to give Mandy all my best wishes. Since she spend so much time on somebody that she doesn’t even like, cursing them, trying to make them look bad, she must be seriously lonely.
Poor Mandy, get a life and spend it with someone you care and love. Please.
…. I don’t know what to say…
Thank you for your comments haha, I will take good care. Fortunately, my friend is okay now, and you do have a point, loving a person who is not worth loving is just meaningless.
I feel quite sorry for Mandy and her friend after reading all these comments….. Quite unfortunate that their relationship came into being while fans were sacrificed as a result.
Mandy’s friend and Mandy and the other fans who are struggling emotionally/physically deserves some sympathy. Quite sad to read people bashing Mandy and her friend after what they’re going through.. they deserve the sympathy as much as Ray/Karena does.
Both do Ray/Karena deserve pity?? Didn’t they choose to reveal their relationship? Didn’t they open themselves for criticism by fans/media?
Actually no the problem is on the individual. That’s like saying, high end class people spots poor people on the streets and it gives them a stroke or some kind of schizophrenic attack since they’re so high class that seeing people so petty and low bothers them. Now, is that the poor person’s fault? Or is it the high end class people need to accept the differences between classes and go on their luxurious life? It can be the other way too. Poor people choke and spit on rich people for being rich… is that the rich people’s fault? No.
Both do Ray/Karena deserve pity??
Yes, they do. All celebrities should be pitied. That’s how I see them. Pitiful individuals who are always criticized and kicked to the curb by fans/followers/haters. They are really pitiful things. Really.
Didn’t they choose to reveal their relationship?
You see, I was always for celebrities keeping their relationship on the down low, but there are many people who spit on celebrities for hiding their relationship and lying about the truth. See what I mean they’re very pitiful? Yes, they are. They live to be criticized every single day of their lives… it’s a horrible way to live IMO. Plus, whatever they do, don’t do, say or don’t say… they’re wrong. LOL. Sad sad sad lives.
Didn’t they open themselves for criticism by fans/media?
Yes they did, but people do have control over their actions. People do not get jailed or fined if they don’t criticize celebrities. It’s a matter of choice.
Now here’s my question:
If celebrities are so subjected to criticisms, so why can’t people on an open discussion get criticized for their comments? They’re no celebrity, but hey.. you speak, someone doesn’t like it… be prepared?
Great point, I feel disgusted too!! They certainly do not deserve pity… it’s quite unfortunate people continue supporting them even if they’re harming others.
While I did appreciate your comments and you made a great argument, I still stand by my own statement.
I certainly think people on this forum should be subject to criticism, but definitely not any less or more than Ray-Karena.
Crystal, do you have pity for them?? Gosh, the damn girl committed suicide but yet you still stand up for Ray-Karena?? My, what happened to your sympathy??
You are more than welcome to have sympathy for people who you think deserves it. But the bottom line is, being sympathetic towards someone who gave up her life for something so unworthy is okay. But it’s beyond NOT okay to blame this on the pair.
First, most people who think about suicide, 1. they need help, 2. they need more help, 3. THEY NEED HELP, 4. Repeat
For those who commit suicide, 1. Help needs to be there, 2. They’re usually cognitively disoriented.. you know what that means? It means anything can set a click in their head and they just go BOOM. For example, if they see two birds making out on the streets and it triggers their hallucinated images of Karena and Raymond.. yes they’ll want to kill themselves right at that moment when they see two birds together. So are you going to hate the birds? Or should I say, should you go and exterminate all the birds out there cause it caused someone to go blitz?
Btw, there is actually a group out there that wants to eradicate birds. Should check it out, but don’t join them!
Really Crystal? Hmm, Barbara Yung’s b-day passed and hope you can be like her on May 14th.
Well then I hope you join me? LOL.
And really what? I was talking to disgusting…
@Mandy, for someone who is upset over her friend’s suicidal experience, but here promoting suicide and telling someone to die in return shows how hypocritical you are. If you really had a friend who did this kind of torture to herself, you wouldn’t be here telling people to die or go try suicide for themselves. You are such a sick person. You sure your friend didn’t commit suicide because of you? I sure would if I had a friend like you.
Maggie:
We shall stand our ground without hoping ends to one’s life!
Man, I must have taken some wrong dosage of positive-ness lately…
Yo,@disgusting, why would you say such a fool thing like that. More I read,I think you and Mandy are the same person. Wonder if the others fraid to say it out. If my reading serves me right, nobody bashed Mandy nor the friend. What tfcuk is so wrong wid the two making the love go public, not a fricking thing. If a fan is going to try and kill their own life because fantasy loverboy reveal his gf to the universe, then the fan needs a whole lotta help. Mandy, disgusting and whoever the hell else you are,find a shrink, a really great one, and soon,like yesterday. Your comments are off the wall, and you two are the same messed up woman.
@disgusting, great point, I do agree that people like Mandy, Maggie and other fans need sympathy for what they are going through. It must be hard living in a world, fantasizing about having a certain idol coming to sweep you off your feet, and then he or she announces to the world that they have a partner.
I will say this though. These fans somehow need to talk to a trusted friend or a family doctor about what they are going through and seek the necessary help that they so badly need.
These celebs cannot live their lives in a vaccum, in fear of what their fans will do when they find out their idols are dating, or married. Celebs need love, and normalcy in their lives as well. They will date who they want, not who the fans recommend , nor will they date the fans. These celebs can announce their loved one to the world, that is their right and their choice . If it makes fans unhappy and the fans start bashing the idols partner, they wish the idols and partners to suffer, they complain about themselves or other fans suffering or being sacrifices because their idols have partners, then it is time to seek psychiatric help. There has to be boundaries between fanship and fanatic, obsessive, unhealthy behaviour.
I definitely agree with your point Trini. They deserve sympathy rather than being abandoned/criticized.
There’s nothing wrong with Ray-Karena dating, it’s their choice, they’re humans, they certainly can do what they want to do. The only thing I am disgusted is how they neglect their fans (Ray definitely could’ve handled this situation better). He put himself in a death trap by saying “I love BB” and going with her to 2 countries, on 3 trips.
I didn’t feel any disgusted/angry when he first announced their relationship, I WAS ACTUALLY HAPPY FOR THEM! But, now, after reading them OVER AND OVER, and hearing how Mandy/Mandy’s friend suffered, I just dislike them.
As for the part about cursing/hope they die, I’m pretty positive they didn’t mean it. Personally, I’m also a Ray fan and I dreamt of being with him. I certainly don’t think it’s anything crazy or abnormal, MANY PEOPLE dream of being with Justin B or David Beckham, etc.
Fans say they hope they die or suffer, but inside their hearts, they still admire/love them.
Time will tell if they do get punished or not, but all I have to say is, I am quite sick of reading them together so I too hope they break up (if that is needed to stop all this news).
@disgusting, I hope you are right about the fans not meaning the part when they say they hope that Ray and Karena die.
I do have to say something though. You question the sympathy of Crystal towards Mandy’s friend,. That was not fair. Raymond did not cause this person to attempt suicide. This is the action of a very disturbed ,lonely young woman, who lives her life through her idol, with a very disturbing, unhealthy obsessional love attachment to that idol. why should the world show pity for this young woman by dissing on Raymond and Karena, by stop supporting them or being their fans???. That is not the way to show sympathy to her. That only enables her pitiful situation and encourages her not to get much needed help.
Raymond does not need his manager’s approval and permission to announce to the world that he loves Karena. He can also call her BB and proclaim his love 7+7 times. There is nothing wrong or inappropriate about that. There is something I noticed, and I gather others suspect the same thing too** but I will keep it to myself, at least for now. I do hope that pitiful female gets a lot of help though, because if she does not, it will be sad. If Karena and Raymond break up, and Raymond admits to a new girlfriend, the sad situation is going to happen again, and this time, it might be unfortunately successful.
Trini:
I think we’re on the same page for once.
“There is something I noticed, and I gather others suspect the same thing too**
— we are def. on the same page.
Like I said before, you don’t have to believe me, all I wanted to say is that my friend committed suicide because of them, because of hearing him announcing their relationship and calling her BB 7 times.
If you want to continue supporting them fine, I DON’T CARE, but please respect others on this forum; all the other users here were just commenting and stating their opinions.
It’s quite rude to bash others and use words to hurt others. What difference is there between you and Ray-Karena?? Hmm.. maybe they’re celebrities and you both are not?
I know the difference we have is that you never had a friend that wanted to commit suicide. Well then, I hope your best friend does one day because then you will feel the same pain I am feeling right now. “ONE DOESN’T FEEL THE PAIN UNLESS A NEEDLE TOUCHES YOUR SKIN”, of course you all can say I am making this up and there is no such person. If that’s the case, I hope you both feel my friend’s pain, then you both will understand what she is going through right now.
Question: How do you know what we’re talking about?
And lastly, there is a difference between you and I, but the difference is on our approaches. I’ve met and spoke with many suicidal people. But guess what…I don’t tell them to hate the people or have myself in this blind hatred for those who barely indirectly harm them. What you need to do Mandy, is help your friend. And by helping I mean talk with her. Tell her it isn’t worth it without the ‘SO WHAT LET THEM DIE. THEY’LL DIE SOON’ attitude. You’re not helping your friend this way and you’re surely not helping yourself. I mean just look at the amount of people on this page right now. They feel sympathy for your friend, but they’re clearly not in support of what you’re doing. Doesn’t that tell you something?
Loving and caring for someone who you deem close to you is OKAY. But going around hoping for someone’s end who obviously did not wake up during the day and said to themselves, ‘Okay let me announce my relationship just like every other normal couple, and hopefully I’ll get someone killed.’ I don’t think any of these things even goes through these celebrities heads. So who is left to take responsibility for their own lives? Yes it is. The same individual who wants to commit suicide. As a friend or best friend, you help her without negativity. The more negative you are, the more negative that gets rubbed in to your friend.
@Crystal
I give you props for being so polite. Because if it was me in this detrimental argument-less debate, I would have darted cuss already.
Like G, the amount of crazies on jaynestars lately have reached an all time high.
Sorry to intrude, but I think I am one of the others, on the same page.
Mandy dear, I work in the ER and was witness to three young women who tried to kill themselves a few years ago when it was announced that Andy Lau was indeed married to Carol Zhu. I am not here to bash you my child. I do not hold my tongue back from speaking my mind, but I will not get mad at you, even if you want my best friend, whom I love like a brother, to commit suicide. I will not get angry at you. I am almost in tears reading your postS, especially after you talked about the suicide attempt. I do believe you Mandy, and I am so sorry, so sorry for what you are going through. My heart breaks that young people can get caught up in their emotional attachment to these celebs that they feel they have to do something so desperate as attempted suicide because of the celebs’ relationship.
Mandy, what happens if there are more romantic, public declarations of love from Raymond to Karena?, what happens if he proposes to her?, what happens if they set up house together?. Are we going to have more suicide attempts. There are a few fans here who have an unhealthy attachment to Raymond. It needs to stop. I read the comments and can’t believe what I am reading. Please, I am imploring of such fans, seek medical professional help. Your lives and time are worth much more than daydreaming about being with a man who you will never have.
Mandy, I am sure there will be more lovey dovey mushy news on these two. I hope to see you still here a few months , a few years from now, with a critical attitude towards your posts, yes, we are all guilty of that, but with a wiser and healthier edge towards your posts as well.
@Maggie, you are funny, I can see your point about wanting to bust out with the cussing, lol, lol, but this situation is a lot more tragic than I thought so we should save the cussing for another time,lol.
@crystal, You spoke so eloquently, so beautifully. Well said. Are you also a medical professional ?. Let us continue to keep calm and poised about this situation. I respect you a lot for keeping cool. although I can see Maggie’s point about ready to cuss by now,lol.
Trini:
Thank you for your kind compliments.
And yes I am in the medical profession. I was giggling with Maggie’s comment too, but after so many years of seeing different cases, different stories from patients/peers/clients, you learn a thing or two to always keep your composure especially in the OT field. Got random people accusing you for all sorts of things, cray cray world, but I LOVE MY JOB! Ugh, sorry about that. LOL.
Hopefully Mandy doesn’t come attacking me AGAIN or asking me to die… well hoping for my death. I can’t go just yet. I talk with about 20-30 patients per day. What will they do if I’m gone missing? Nah, I’m kidding. I’m not that important. Sniffles. I’m only important when my clients/patients have no one who understands them. But I still love my job. Whoops…heh, did it again.
But really, if you haven’t chosen a path yet in the medical field. Consider OT, it’s amazing. Wow, third time now. Okay, I’ll stop now. LOL.
I am a medical doctor, I work the ER.
Med School, fun!!!!! 🙂
I was a PA going for that till I found OT. Huge sacrifice there =/
I did med sci. (US equivalent of pre-med) before changing to interpretation and translation.
And unlike that idiot Jason Chan, I can actually speak 5 languages. Or at least flail along so that it resembles a conversation.
Lets talk!
This is some messed up sh.t
Tini, crystal and God knows who else may have to be politically correct with Mandy,I ain’t gotta be. Mandythere ain’t no fu::kI::g friend. Why you trying to commit suicide over a man you never gonna get. When you do that, he gonna still love up Karena or some other beautiful young starlet. Start loving and looking after yourself, foolish woman
I don’t know if Raymond really thinks but after this one my feeling disappointed K-girl 19 age, really wanna nausea herself..surprised she likes to party
hope they break up and end their relationship painfully.
Before,I was happy for them! now, after reading them , I just dislike them.May be my thinking that Karena and Raymond will not last due to their age
Dear Patrick starfish,
May I humbly suggest for you not to echo these words or its likes:-
1) K-girl
2) I just dislike them
3) End their relationship painfully
4) Hurt by their relationship
5) Fans got hurt by their relationship
6) Fans got sacrificed as a result of their relationship
Unless you wouldn’t mind me mistaking you for Mandy.
However, since you want them to break up painfully, I can only beg you to please, sit down with a parent, an older sibling, a teacher, a family doctor, sit down with someone and tell them exactly what you are going through.
If its too much to say because you are too hurt inside, just say, “Please, help me. It’s so painful.”
I am sure there is somebody who loves you and cares enough about you to want you to be happy again and i know that they will do their best for you.
Your friend,
Spongebob squarepants
P.s: Actually I’m Siying. Ah…but you already knew it was me because no matter which names I use, my thought patterns and literary style remains unchanged.
Siying.
And you think yourself uneducated at handling anything. Yeah right,!! That was a true therapist talking above. You better go for your PHD, cause you and Crystal are naturals.
Thanks for kind encouragement Trini. 🙂
Could it really be that I’m a natural or that I’ve spent too much time talking to multiple therapists myself? 😉 ust a teaser there, lol.
Well, I really am just an ordinary housewife getting a PhD albeit a different one at home from my kids, a Permanent Head Damage. 🙂
Oops, I meant *just
Oops, I meant Thanks for *your kind encouragement Trini. 🙂
Siying, your saying seem don’t agree but i thank your advice. LF fans still respect his decision
Dear Mandy,
Before you jump the gun, please let me point out that I did not ever say that I didn’t believe you, in fact I did and I empathized, which is why I wrote to you as Spongebob.
It was not meant to mock you or to mock your friend neither was it to humor you.
Did i not ask you to get help for you and your friend in my very post to you?
Did i not post a video of what i knew called cbt to help you out?
Did I not stress the importance of medical intervention repeatedly?
Now Mandy, do I look like the sort of person who would laugh and mock a person’s medical condition?
Do you know why I wrote to you as spongebob? That’s because I RESPECTED you Mandy, I didn’t want to blow your cover directly. I didn’t want to single you out from the multiple names you posted as. Rallying for sympathy on one hand yet advocating hurt on another hand.
I’ve studied Psychology and I also studied Literature and Theatre Studies for 8 years, do you think I would not be able to spot your thought process and writing style in a second? Every writer has their own voice in their head Mandy, they have their unique style of writing which try as they may to hide it, shows their character, attitude and beliefs in their writing.
Do you think that under the disguise of other names, I would not know that you need help?
I reached out to you Mandy, even as spongebob, trying to find a way to ease your pain, I did not want to be this blunt, but I have no other choice now do I?
Mandy, I am sorry, this is going to sound ugly, but you and your friend need medical help.
You need it because you have rage and hate on a couple you do not even know in real life. You need it because you think that 2 strangers who display their love has hurt your friend and you want heaven to punish them. I could go on Mandy, but I won’t because I still have respect for you.
My aim was to tell you in a polite manner that no matter who you signed on as, your thought patterns are the SAME and these thought patterns in my opinion may not be the healthiest.
Precisely because i used whatever was left of my brain, I did not state your name out loud earlier Mandy. I wrote it with a kinder voice and tone as Spongebob, trying to reach out to you to get help.
Nobody has ever doubted you, nobody has ever laughed or mocked at you or your friend. Everyone here knows Mandy, we believe and we empathize. You are very bent on thinking that people here do not believe your story.
Did you realize that if we didn’t believe, we wouldn’t ask you repeatedly to GET MEDICAL HELP ASAP.
Did you know Mandy, that I am obliged to pray five times a day? Did you know that I actually prayed for you in 4 of those prayers alongside the prayers I would pray for my own family even though you are just a stranger on the Internet? Did you know that as I went about my day, I actually thought about you and I got worried.
I cannot believe you could be so daft to think I would mock you.
As Lynn Hung puts it best “I don’t know who is the one who should be crying.”
Yes, its truly shame on me Mandy, for worrying for a nobody like you.
Do note Mandy,
that up till now I used the words EMPATHIZE with you and not Pity.
Empathize would mean to share your feelings and understand from your point of view, trying to put myself in your shoes, as opposed to pitying you, which actually reeks of me feeling superior or being condescending.
Oh and one more thing Mandy,
There are so many of us here posting, do you think that this commentator Patrick, would only choose to extract words from you? Not 1 word but 3 of your phrases/words? Including your style of thought?
Now somebody needs to use some brains here but it sure isn’t me.
Siying Crystal and Trini, you three are helping out this love sick idiotmore than she deserve, respect to you. If I say something wrong, forgiveme, as the three of you seem all educated in the art of handling idiots like this mandy disgusting clown. The medical world , not my field, and have zero tollerance for people who want to blame artists for their suicide attempts I remember when than idiot girl blamed Poor Andy Lau for her daddys suicide. That poor man was going through hell for something that was not his fault in anyway. Thank goodness Andy is okay,cause that can scar a man for life.
@Kaboom, do not hold your breath waiting for the proof of those death threats, because you will die while waiting. I never threatened this Crappy excuse of a shell of a human being. So many people use the phrase go to hell, or burn in hell. If that is a death threat, then millions, billions of people around the world should be arrested and charged for uttering death threats.
@kaboom,
Thanks for adding my name, I appreciate it though i find myself uneducated in handling anything really. Lol.
Kudos to Trini and Crystal. 🙂
@Siying, you too are definitely on the same page**.
Thanks Trini,
I’m glad to know that. 🙂
What that bloodsucking, ignorant, leech of a vampire does not know is I personally asked Jayne to save all my posts after she accused me of threatening her miserable life. I asked that my post not be deleted. I did not want it to say the threats were removed. because it would use any excuse when the threat posts from me do not turn up. It can go and ask Jayne. It has my permission to ask Jayne what I asked. Nasty, nasty donkey.
You know what they say about people who keeps pleading their case? They’re guilty.
Well with an attitude like yours? Heh. Good luck in life. First, telling people to commit suicide, then telling them to die, then telling them they suffer and so forth. Who in their right mind will believe your words?
Also, on this entire page, over 95% of the people do feel sympathy for your friend including those who were exchanging words with you. The only problem you seem to not identify is where people are telling you to grow up and know whats really good for your friend. Then again, if you can’t even do that for your friend as in give up your hopeless taunting and hoping others die because you’re friend is suffering. You’re pretty selfish.
I hope your friend gets a new friend because you’re not helping her by doing all this. You honestly think suicidal individuals wants people to promote other people’s deaths? You’re wrong. You’ll add on to their incentives to want to suicide.
Just my couple of words of wisdom for you.
Sorry, I couldn’t take it anymore. Every time I go on the recent-comments page, all I see is your posts either filled with misinterpretations or asking the genie in a lamp to kill people who were trying to reason with you.
Wow, seems like I miss a whole lot of drama here. Not sure what happened but Mandy, I hope your friend is fine and stops thinking foolish thoughts. Too many suicides or attempted suicides over every little/small/pointless reasons these days. Life is more than that.
And if she is upset over the comments here, a tip; tell her not to come here and read the comments. Everyone can’t cater to her one sensitivity even if everyone understands her predicament. Some comments are rude or maybe insensitive but not necessarily cruel or evil. Maybe a bit immature.
“Put yourself into my shoes, if your best friend is having suicidal thoughts, would you feel sympathy for them? Laughing and mocking her while questioning whether she is really sick or if I’m sick is absolutely ridiculous”
I won’t feel sympathy because that’s the last thing they need. What your friend needs is a positive thinking friend who is pragmatic. Rather than feeling sorry for her and defending her and thus making her feel weaker and worse, the better approach is to switch off the computer, take her out to movies and cheer her up or better yet, drag her to some place to work or exercise or occupy her time. Feeling sorry for another won’t help much but acting on that feeling sorry in a positive pragmatic way may help.
“Some comments are rude or maybe insensitive but not necessarily cruel or evil. Maybe a bit immature.”
What would you categorize her comments as?
Her as in who?
Regardless of whether your story is true or not, you can hardly expect people to agree with some of the thoughts you’ve expressed in this thread… You need to get your priorities straight instead of spreading hate and pushing the blame onto others. Your happiness is in your own hands – don’t chuck it onto another human being, let alone a celebrity who has probably spent less than 0.01% of his life with you. If ever.
You live in HK and your friends from HK told you to come all the way here to read about a girl called Mandy?
Really? There were 4 new articles posted today, one of which someone’s father died and they told you to come here to read about Mandy? An article dated 3 days ago?
You expect me to believe that? Ok.
I will extract Mandy’s words now. The Mandy whom you have came all the way to read about.
” “Draw cartoons not need to drink their intestines,” somethings are too obvious or somewhat understandable that there’s no need to require proof”
Erm as Kasey said about misinterpretation earlier, nobody here implied that all Ah Fung’s fans are crazy/mentally ill. In fact, no one other than you, even used those 2 words on Mandy.
Ps: I like your literary style Gigi, but the misintepretation and unforgiving attitude, now that really has to go girl.
I had to provide this explanation. I felt like I needed to so here it is.
I want to remind people that being ‘mentally ill/crazy/abnormal’ and etc is nothing more but a sickness. The reason why I am giving in three minutes of my time to type this is because I am weary of the fact that when people are categorized as mentally ill, theyre automatically seen as a lower breed of humanity of some sort. That should not be the case. If these people are clinically diagnosed to have psychological health related problems, it just means theyre sick at that moment or for a period of time. Theyll be unsick when they seek treatment. Of course it isnt as easy as treating a cold but if someone seeks help, they will get better.
It just blows my mind how when people get tagged mentally ill or crazy, they automatically think theyre inferior. Like what? They just happened to be not 100% healthy. And itll be corrected when they find treatment.
That was all I had to say.
I hope no other ‘ones’ out there is going to join this discussion and telling me to die or suicide.
Thanks Crystal,
That was a much needed and insightful explanation. 🙂
It is courageous and admirable to seek treatment for an illness, to be pro-active in one’s recovery, there is nothing embarrassing about it and there is nothing to get defensive about.
And now let us really move on from this episode.
See you around! 🙂