Karena Ng Opens Up on Relationship With Raymond Lam
In February 2013, Raymond Lam (林峯) did what he never did before – he announced to the world that he is dating 19-year-old Karena Ng (吳千語). It was a surprise move on Raymond’s part, who had a habit of keeping his romantic life behind closed doors.
“We chose to reveal our relationship because we want to everyone to accommodate it. We want everyone to give us space and support us,” said Karena in her interview with Ming Pao Weekly.
Truthfully, Karena’s income has gotten higher after cementing her relationship status to the public. “Good and bad things came out of it,” said Karena. However, the Magic to Win <開心魔法> star insisted that she will not attend public functions with her boyfriend. “We don’t want to commercialize our relationship. I still cannot muster the energy to act in front of someone I love. Maybe I would be able to someday in the future.”
Denies Being a Gold Digger
Raymond and Karena’s relationship has had a turbulent affair with tabloids ever since Raymond confirmed their romance. Numerous tabloid sources alleged that Karena had “wooed” Raymond to spend over $10 million HKD on gifts, including the purchases of designer bags, luxury cars, and two million-dollar mansions. In extreme cases, some sources went on to claim that it was Karena’s mother who encouraged Karena to date Raymond, and taught her “the rules of gold digging.”
Karena expressed that she felt extremely helpless with these allegations. “I am not that kind of a person! And now my parents have also become involved. It is an insult to my family, to the point of slandering them.”
Although flooded with negative rumors, Karena insisted that she will not give up on her love and will courageously counter all back-fence talk about being materialistic and possessive. “I know there are people who don’t want us to be happy, but if I allow these people to control and influence me, wouldn’t that make me very stupid?”
Why She Fell in Love
Karena met Raymond on the set of romantic comedy film Love Is… Pyjamas <男人如衣服> in 2011. Karena’s first impression of Raymond was neutral, and the pair did not have much opportunity to interact with each other on set. It was not until after post-production when Karena and Raymond met up.
“We hung out a lot afterwards, and we slowly got to know each other. We were friends first.”
After several months of meeting up, Raymond made himself clear that he planned to pursue her. Karena was hesitant to accept it. “I considered for a long time because his age, experience, and seniority [in the industry] greatly exceeds my own, and I know dating him would be a lot of pressure. It was not something I wanted in my dating life. I wanted a simpler one, where the two of us can go shopping and cook together, and not having to reserve a private room just to have dinner.”
What changed Karena’s mind? “[Raymond] touched me with his character. Whether it’s me, my family, or friends, he treats them all very well. He is a good man. He knows how to take care of others. When I am sick, he shows that he cares, and that tenderness can be felt all around him. I like things that are well-thought and genuine. He is very good at doing that.”
What considerate hings have Raymond given her? Karena blushed. “He wrote to me, and would send me holiday cards.” The interviewer tried to get Karena to disclose some more details, and after a few attempts, Karena finally gave in. “His first card to me was a Christmas card. It wasn’t anything too cheesy. He didn’t write silly things like ‘I will take care of you forever,’ but wrote very well-planned and thoughtful recounts of the memories we shared. He wrote it like a poem. I was very touched when I received it.”
How many cards has she received from Raymond? “Only a few. There aren’t many holidays out there!”
On Her Negative Rumors
Before dating Raymond, Karena admitted that she went out with Derek Lim (林建隆), the younger son of former Miss Hong Kong Ellen Wong (王愛倫). “I already broke up with him before I went out with Raymond. I used to be a very immature person. We were both very young. We were like children – always fighting, all the time.”
But Karena is thankful to have met Derek. “I am very lucky. The boys that I have met in my life were all very kind and loving.”
With rumors of Karena spending millions of Raymond’s hard-earned cash, tabloids claimed that Karena is having a relationship with Raymond’s money instead of himself.
Karena clarified these rumors. “I do not live in a mansion in MacDonnell Road. I cannot afford to rent a home that is over $80,000 HKD a month. The rent I have to pay is not even half of that. My company is supporting me. [Raymond] did not pay on my behalf. Also, my parents live in Australia. They rarely come to Hong Kong, but my mother would occasionally come to visit me. Why would Raymond rent a house for them? He is not close to my parents like what the tabloids are saying. They have talked once on the phone. They’ve never met each other in person.”
Karena expressed that the negative rumors have not affected her relationship with her family, but remarked that some of the rumors involving her parents have gone too far. “They’re absolutely ridiculous and insulting.”
A recent rumor illustrated Karena’s mother to be “gold-digger trainer” and that she has been teaching Karena on how to spot financial providers. It was rumored that Karena intended to drive a $3.2 million HKD luxury car and she was urging Raymond to purchase the car under her father’s name.
Karena shook her head at the rumor. “Our relationship is our business. I understand that a relationship like this would be talked about, and I can deal with my own gossip, but there really is no need to hurt my family like this. My parents did not want me to join the industry at first. I convinced them for a long time before they allowed it. Mom was very worried, but after I finished my second movie, she calmed down. She knows I can take care of myself now. The rumor of me buying a car is absolutely ridiculous. I don’t even have a driver’s license. I don’t know anything about cars. My dad doesn’t live in Hong Kong and he doesn’t have a Hong Kong driver’s license, so how is it possible to register the car under my father’s name?”
The root of Raymond and Karena’s rumors began soon after Raymond announced the relationship in February, before the couple decided to travel around Japan and Italy in 19 days. “The trip was arranged by [Raymond]. I just finished shooting a drama in mainland China, and we were both very tired by work. Coincidentally, both of us could afford some days off together. Since staying in Hong Kong is stressful, we decided to go elsewhere to relax. It was fun.”
Rumors quickly caught on that Raymond had purchased over six designer handbags for Karena in Milan. Karena said, “I didn’t buy handbags when I was in Milan. Maybe someone saw me holding a small shopping bag. I bought him a rope bracelet. It wasn’t extremely pricey. Just a small gift.”
Karena stated once again that Raymond only gave her one handbag – a pale-colored Hermes leather bag that she was caught holding on her flight back to Hong Kong from Los Angeles. Raymond shared the same handbag. “It was his Valentine’s Day gift to me. I never asked him to buy anything for me, but during holidays, we would exchange gifts.” Karena also gave Raymond, who has a habit of collecting toys, a set of action figures. “I went through many means to collect them for him.”
It was widely reported that the sole purpose of Karena’s visit to southern California was to visit Raymond’s parents. Last month, Raymond took Karena to his younger brother’s graduation at the University of Southern California.
“Rocky (Raymond’s brother) and I are around the same age, so we got along well. It was he who invited me to the ceremony.” Karena insisted that she got along with Raymond’s parents. “We ate together and laughed together. They were such baseless reports.”
Asked if Rocky was interested in joining the entertainment circle, Karena said, “He is a business major, and he wants to stay in the sector. He’s not interested in an entertainment career.”
Marriage Before 30?
Karena and Raymond wear the same “couple” ring, but with the fear of paparazzi exaggerating the issue, Karena chose not to wear it anymore. “It’s just jewelry, like what couples wear. Compared to having the same bracelets or handbags, rings can be more sensible.”
Asked if Karena would agree to marry Raymond if he proposed right now, Karena said, “Wow, I never thought about that! I really don’t know how I would react! But we are all logical human beings. [Marriage] is definitely not in the near future for us. I’m will be turning 20. It’s too early. I can’t picture myself being a housewife already. Right now, I’m just thinking about if I have to fly over to United States to shoot my new movie, or where I should go for my vacation afterwards. Just these short-term things.”
Karena is aware that Raymond likes children, but she has not thought about having children herself, or how much she would have. “He has a very close family. Maybe there is a big age gap between him and his brother, so he takes care of his younger brother very well.”
However, Karena does hope to marry by the time she turns 30. “That’s the perfect time.”
Throughout the interview, Karena displayed a sense of maturity that not every 19-year-old would have if he or she was in her situation. In just two years, the entertainment industry has changed Karena from a hopeful teenager to a sophisticated young lady.
“I want to be successful. I want to do things for myself. I don’t want to rely on anyone.”
Raymond Lam Responds
Currently shooting his new television drama in Hengdian World Studios, Raymond accepted a long-distance phone interview with Ming Pao, clarifying his thoughts on the current rumors that are plaguing Karena and their relationship.
“These rumors are attacking her and her family. How many more times can I apologize to her family? It’s okay if the news is about me, but why is it now her fault? She is unhappy, and that makes me unhappy. Whatever she tells [to the press] is the truth and I pledge my word for it. I support her.”
Raymond is not bothered by the 14-year age gap between him and Karena, saying, “She is young, but in many ways, much more mature than I. She has taught me many things. She is a good girl with a sense of propriety, and she [has] made me become a better man. This is true.
“I said I loved Karena seven times, and the reason for that is to express that I don’t want our relationship to be hidden any more, and that would have been my last time responding to our relationship. Regardless, I thank everyone for their concern.”
Source: Ming Pao Weekly #2326 via ihktv.com
This article is written by Addy for JayneStars.com.
Karena and Raymond sound mutually supportive of each other. The interview does ring with sincerity, especially the part about Karena’s hesitation in dating Raymond because of his stardom. Glad to hear that Raymond became a better man after dating her.
Supportive or supporting? Seems like they have been comparing notes. Look, I am no optimist nor am I a cynic but one bag? He is caring and yet never paid for her rent? I find many statements rather conflicting. But if he is the dutiful loving boyfriend, good for her. And if it is more than 1 bag, if course in times of trouble, she can sell those bags.
For someone who claims to have such modest means, she doesn’t dress modestly from what I remember. It is in the end a mutually beneficial relationship. He gets to be with someone he wants, and he wants youth no doubt and she gets to be with Raymond Lam, plus the perks. Some may even say Ray is the perk! But will they marry? Let me play the cynic here. If she marries this or next year or anytime soon, my belief is the marriage won’t last. Because I see Ray as someone who will grow restless in time. Hopefully before that time, he becomes mature because I do see Karena being the one with maturity in this relationship.
As for Ray being a better man, oh come on, it is all talk only. When he loves you, you’re the goddess, he is the better man. When he doesn’t? I never see Ray as a bad person before this, except he was never that brave to admit a relationship. Even this one is forced upon him to admit but once he did, I feel it is for the better. And of course she must reply to allegations but the more she says, the less convinced I am.
You do know that many celebrities have clothing sponsors, right? Especially at functions, they usually wear sponsored clothes. But I agree about her clothes during Raymond’s brother’s graduation are her own.
She just came into the industry, I don’t think she has lots of sponsors.
Funn,
The bag may have been the most expensive gift. I’m sure there were other gifts and dinners that Raymond would pay for.
In a dating relationship or marriage, the person making more money may pay for more of the expenses, but doesn’t make the receiver a gold digger. Even if he happens to pay for her rent. As long as she prioritizes their relationship before Raymond’s wallet, then I wouldn’t consider Karena to be a gold digger.
“As for Ray being a better man, oh come on, it is all talk only.”
As an idol, Raymond realized that he may lose some fans in admitting his relationship with Karena. Yet, he chose to announce it, which is the right thing to do, to be accountable in the relationship and prioritize his girlfriend. He has been very protective of Karena in speaking up for her, prioritizing his relationship over his idol status. This is already the mark of a better man.
” Yet, he chose to announce it,”
Jayne,
He was cornered and he had to admit it if not like Mavis-gate, he would be seen as dishonest. And moreover he wants to date, and so he will have to reveal what is then a known fact. I don’t see admitting he is dating someone as a mark of a better man. If that is so, what low expectations we have of our idols.
As for the issue of bag, the question is not what sort of gifts but rather her version of 1 bag when she seems to be able to afford more than 1 bag and loads of branded clothings without brand sponsorship. Since I like to believe she is living modestly with her parents or for her parents, then it would not be logical to think she spent so much on herself which only means she is living a high life thanks to the sponsorship of another. And since she is not that famous, my guess is her boyfriend who is much better off.
Funn,
Raymond had room to drag on the romance secretly if he wished. When he announced the relationship, it was when rumors of Karena’s background surfaced. This was before photos of them at the airport surfaced. Admitting the relationship (for an idol) takes courage, as the backlash is expected. He handled the relationship before the public quite directly, as compared to other artists who despite being photographed together numerous times only admit to being friends.
As to Karena’s gifts and lifestyle, they may be sponsored or they may not be. I don’t think this really matters as long as they are happy together. Perhaps she had accepted some gifts from Raymond, but not completely relied on him to pay all her expenses, as some tabloids implied. Accusing her mother of teaching her gold digging methods is going too far.
As much as I hate to say it (Jayne is very nice), I’m with Funn on this one.
If she isn’t a gold digger, I don’t know who fits the criteria.
As for “admitting” to their relationship, there’s definitely more than what we see. I don’t think Ray voluntarily came out to “admit” their relationship.
If I remember correctly, JUST 2 days before their relationship, he denied dating Karena. Two days later, he suddenly admits it. Don’t you think that’s a sudden change? Something must have fused him to suddenly come out and admit his relationship. Karena MAY HAD threatened him to break up in order to force him to open up. If that’s the case, then he really didn’t become “better.”
I also compliment Funn for pointing out the observation about modesty. If she was that modest and humble, I don’t think she would wear all those famous brands.
And I don’t think he expected the backlash.
From his latest interviews (or interviews shortly after opening up), he says, “I don’t know why this news came out like this,” just like how he didn’t expect reporters following him around Milan and USA. If he did expect backlash, opening up would be his LAST resort.
If she isn’t a gold digger, I don’t know who fits the criteria. —> er, all of Hugh Hefner’s entourage.
Siying, it’s not like Cici is the only one calling her a gold digger. Go on Weibo, 90% of the people call her that name.
Well Janine,
I’m not going on Weibo because I’m not her fan and I really don’t care if the entire Weibo calls her Imelda Marcos.
On here, I’m just giving Cici an example of who fits the criteria since she said she doesn’t know who fits.
Found this on Wikipedia:
“Gold digger is slang for a greedy person (stereotypically a woman) who only dates (and subsequently marries) wealthy partners with the (typically) sole intention of being a beneficiary of said wealth.”
Not sure if they’ll get married but she fits the definition of a gold digger. Her sudden change from looking like average Jane to a fashion model shows those clothes must have been paid from Ray’s pocket. Don’t forget – Ray WAS SPOTTED at Dior shopping for women’s clothes.
Don’t degrade the name gold digger, she looks and acts like a prostitute now.
Funn,
Agree with most of your sayings since I also believe LF is someone who will think and treat you like a goddess when he’s inloves with her. And its common for all guyss not only LF.
So being in Karena’s shoe, I feel she should dig more of those branded clothes, bags and etc before she got dumped LOL. (Joking) lol..
Sincerity!? Really?? It sounds so fake to me!
Why suddenly I fell mavis pan is an angel compare to karena?
Me too, Before I dislike Mavis, but now obviously Mavis was more Real and sincere than this Karena girl.
If I have to choose, I would choose Mavis.
I like Mavis better than this girl, looks wife, personality wise, Mavis better.
Remember when Ray date Mavis, Ray admit that Mavis never ask him to buy anything for her. He also did not buy because we don’t see Mavis recieved any valuable gifts from Ray.
Now his Karena girl, we see she got alot of gifts from Ray, she must ask him to buy it for her. Because if she did not ask him (like how Mavis was), then we won’t see her with any big gifts.
Yes, Mavis seemed really sweet and sacrificed a lot for Ray. People like her more than Karena now. At least she didn’t spend as much $$$ as Karena.
@Natalie: That’s a generalization. If you didn’t survey Raymond Lam’s fans, you really shouldn’t say that we prefer Mavis over Karena. :S
Ohh, so most of Ray’s fan all prefer Karena, and support of Ray and Karena, well Good for them, you can post your proof of source here so everyone here can see how much do all Ray’s fan support Karena.
I, myself prefer Mavis
I prefer Mavis over her.
Mavis wasn’t as annoying as Karena. Her news pretty much died down within a few months. I don’t see her news dying or toning down any time soon. I prefer Mavis more.
Lol, wow look at all these comments. Some people have been sipping a lot of haterade. I didn’t like Karena at first, but I was surprised by how mature she sounded in the interview. Of course, who knows what will happened in the future.
I’m sure her manager got a list of the interview questions and had their PR team craft up responses for her. IMO she’s still a fake and a gold digger!
As an idol, Raymond realized that he may lose some fans in admitting his relationship with Karena. Yet, he chose to announce it, which is the right thing to do, to be accountable in the relationship and prioritize his girlfriend. He has been very protective of Karena in speaking up for her, prioritizing his relationship over his idol status. This is already the mark of a better man.
AGREE WITH YOU TOTALLY!!!
LF Love Fung!!!
No, I disagree with Jayne and you. He was forced to “announce” their relationship. Something must had fused him to change from denying to admitting his relationship within 2 days. If it’s anything, she must had played a role and NOT LIKE HOW THEY SAID IT – She “didn’t” know he would open up.
“Raymond had room to drag on the romance secretly if he wished” what Jayne said is absolutely true, he chose to come out with it, Raymond is the older, more successful and famous in the pairing, he also has more experience and connections, there was no way she could have threatened him or force him to come out with it.
She could not even blackmail him because the power and the ball, is in his court. Do you think a young, inexperienced, upcoming starlet has that much clout behind the scenes to make him admit their relationship if he didn’t want to?
Nothing fused anywhere, they just changed their minds about how to go about handling it.
You need to stop thinking that Karena must have done something to make him admit anything. Just come to accept already that he put himself out there for her, that’s what men do, since even the hunters and gatherers era, they protect their women.
This is the only Raymond/Karena article so far that hasn’t irritated me. If they truly care for and are good for each other like this article portrays, that is great. But maybe the kind of “good” they are for each other is just too different from what fans have pictured for Raymond…thus all the hate.
Oh no, here we go again (the comments)
Haha, I find it quite funny that people still believe in her. Quite obvious Ray supported him only because she is his girlfriend.
And her acting is really nice, I actually watched her video response about the gold digger rumors. Her responses were rehearsed and fake, you can tell from her emotions (if she had any) and her eyes! She kept on looking to the left.
Funny she mentioned she got along with Raymond’s brother. As far as I know, his brother (Rocky) didn’t add her even though she added him. He also wrote something in Chinese implying that she is a greedy woman. Talk about fooling herself lol..
Is this on weibo?
Really?? If that is true, then she is just being fake and talking non sense which makes this interview even less convincing.
What exactly did Rocky say? Just curious… Do you mind posting what he said in Chinese? I am really curious.
He said on June 2nd (
http://weibo.com/rdubz
):
貪婪是最真實的貧窮，滿足是最真實的財富
For anybody who doesn’t understand, it means:
Greed is poverty, satisfaction is wealth
He’s implying that she’s being greedy and not satisfied; while in reality, if one is satisfied, he/she is wealthy (cause there wouldn’t be any desire to wish for more). I agree with his point!
worthy to note, alt. he didn’t admit he is talking about her, he also didn’t deny he is speaking about her (many people said he must be talking about her).
If what the magazines are writing are “rumors,” then his words must be very accurate as he must have some insider information about their relationship.
Thanks for the info Janine! Oh, so that is what he said… I am glad that Rocky even though he comes from a rich family understands that concept of being rich and poor. That reminds me of what my mom taught me. She taught me that if you are satisfied then even if you are sleeping under the blue sky, you are still happy. However, if you have neverending greed, even if you slept in the heavens, you are never happy or satisfied due to your greed.
Of course he would not directly say that he is talking about her, but I think everyone knows who he is referring to…
You’re welcome HeTieShou! I agree with what your mom said, a person can only be happy if one’s contented. A greedy person will only think of 3 and 4 after getting 1 and 2.
It’s unfortunate Ray doesn’t understand that and keeps on buying her luxuries.
You are so right Janine and I am glad that Rocky being so young understands that too. His parents really taught him well. I wish that Raymond would understand that and try to make Karena understand that too. But sadly, he keeps feeding her greed which is not good for her or for him.
You will suffer forever if you have endless greed and can only be happy when you know your limit and are content with what you have.
I know right? Even his brother dislikes her, I think that’s the best evidence there is to it. I’m surprised that are still some users supporting her. On Weibo, she’s being scolded like a dog.
ANd in other photos, her chin looks like Jay Leno.
If anyone not know who Jay Leno is, google his pic and see his Chin, and then google Karena pics and compare and you will see, LOL!
Her chin looks very unnatural. She must had some surgery, her past photos do not look like that.
Rocky could be talking about his own relationship.
So what if she doesn’t get along with Rocky – even if it’s true, she still have to say to the reporters that they get along otherwise they will ask more questions. This is call professional.
If you don’t like your co-worker or boss and at a staff meeting if you have to go around and say one thing you like/dislike about them you still can’t be honest. Right?
These luxuries are just really not big deal. Hollywood celebrities buy airplane and mansion. It just depends on the amount you have in your wealth. To us is like huge but honestly these are just normal dating gifts.
I have Weibo too and saw his post.
He is definitely not talking about his own relationship. He is not stupid, he wouldn’t write such a type of message during these sensitive times. The best explanation is that he doesn’t like her. Like some users pointed out, he didn’t admit (nor did he deny when asked) if he is talking about her.
He also didn’t add her as friend.
As for the gifts part, you have your own point but I really think she shouldn’t indulge herself into luxuries. It only shows that she loves money more than Ray.
“Made me become better man”
LMAO Raymond!!! Really?? In what way?? I can’t believe he actually said that when it seems like he is the only one contributing to the relationship, from the handbags to “declaring love 7 times” and the BB song. I really want to know how she made him become “better man” lol.
Don’t talk about that song. That is one song I heard before but will never listen to again. Very disgusting.
Absolutely right Vincent!! I can’t believe he would say that lol. Just because she told him to not be late and to “be carefully while working in China,” he “becomes better man.” That is unbelievable.
YES and for those who don’t know, in his original response, he said: “Made me become better man.” Andy corrected his grammar mistake.
Yes Cici, I read this article yesterday on ihktv.com. That website has the latest updated news. I also read his grammar mistake.
“My parents live in Australia” ? Pfft. It’s a better life in oz so why aren’t you there as well Karena bb?
On a side note she looks like Barbie in that pic. (I’m saying this as in a compliment)
LOL!! Barbie??! She is far from perfect. She looks like some average girl on the street.
But then again your user name says it all (to explain your views)
She looks ok in this photo. Her chin is very distracting..
Exactly, Barbie’s chin doesn’t look like that.
I’ve never seen girls on the street that look like that.
She looks like plain Jane.. no Barbie (maybe in Ray’s eyes lol).
I’ve yet to see a plain Jane or any girl on the street that looks like that.
Yeah she really looks like Barnie, just missing the purple skin (or do you mean Barnie gumble?) *rolls eyes*
The more she responds, the more I suspect she is a gold digger. No way can she find that much money within a short period of time to refurnish herself.
She used 2 Hermes bags during her stay in US. She didn’t explain the origin of the first bag (the Kelly Bag).
If he only bought one Hermes bag for her, how did she get the other one?? I don’t believe she would use her money to buy herself a Hermes bag.
The more desperate she denies the rumors, the more she comes off as lying. Look how desperate she is in responding to these rumors – in EVERY tv interview and magazine report, she tries to “shoot down” her negative news.
If they are really rumors, she wouldn’t be that desperate because the innocent have nothing to hide.
@Katherine – if reporters started talking trash about your family, I think you’d be pretty vehement about shooting down rumors as well. Also, she only just started in the industry and needs to preserve her image.
She seems too desperate. Even if the rumors are false, it’s not like her family’s reputation is being severely damaged (being a roast pork chopper isn’t that much a deal). The more desperate she is, the more fishy her background is.
I agree with Katherine and think that if I try to hard to shoot down the rumours, it somehow shows that maybe there is some truth to them. IF they are false, then I would just brush them off and not care because rumours are just rumours.
To HTS: You see how you would just ignore everything if everything said about your family is false, some person in this world and possibly more will see you as 不孝.
Likewise, in Karena’s case, Katherine and you would call her desperate because she is trying so hard to clear everything up. Well it’s easy for me to understand why she is so “desperate”. She’s helpless. Every celebrity out there is helpless when it comes to the media.
@Kasey,
Ok, maybe not completely ignore, but just explaining and clarifying once or twice is good enough. There is no need to do it every time. It’s not like they are saying anything really really bad. They are just saying that her family background is not rich and how her dad sells pork or whatever. Just because you ignore that makes you “不孝”?? Sorry but that is way too strong and I would get really offended if anyone called me that. If they said that her dad dealed drugs or something, then ok that I can understand. However, they are not saying anything like that. You are right that all celebs are helpless, so it is not like it is only her, therefore, there is no need for her to try so hard.
I mentioned why you would be classified as “不孝” is because some people would justifiably declare you as that due to you saying ‘if it isn’t true, I would brush it off’ Many people cherish their family a lot and if any one says anything bad, whether direct, indirect, intentional or unintentional, they will say something to prove them wrong.
That’s why I think in Karena’s case, I don’t see why her desperate-ness isn’t overlooked. I mean all she is doing is trying to step up and tell people to leave her family alone? I don’t see what is wrong with that. I don’t care how much truth or nonsense are in gossips and rumors, but if anyone lays a word on family, I’ll run them down till they leave me alone? Well, that’s me because I value family over what people think of me.
Wish people can see how she is using him to create headlines.
If her sole purpose in accepting this interview was to clarify the gold digger rumors, she wouldn’t mention the following:
1. What did Raymond did for her on Christmas
2. Marriage plans (didn’t she say that before?? I’ve heard her talk about having no marriage plans 2 times prior to this interview).
3. She wouldn’t purposely talk about the details of how they dated, when they started dating, etc.
Since she talked about the 3 items above (which have no relationship with her being a gold digger or not), I think she is creating headlines for herself.
I also have a feeling she is using him to create news. Sometimes, I don’t get why she answers WTF questions from reporters (only related to their relationship, nothing related with her work). It seems like she has to say something about Raymond in order to get some news/photo on newspaper.
Definitely right! It’s like Ray tries to not answer questions while she keeps on feeding the reporters. She is helping herself as much as possible for 15 mins of fame.
Absolutely!! Who is she before going out with LF. Never even heard of her. Every interview she had will go through lengths to talk about herself and LF with only little prompting from media.
If she accepted an interview, the reporters won’t just let her clarify and go. They are bound to ask follow-up, juicy questions such as what she likes about him, how they started dating, marriage, etc. The only way to clarify is via a press release. And if she decided to accept an interview, Ming Pao would probably be the way to go because it’s the most legit of the gossip magazines.
The question though is she doesn’t have to answer them right? Why don’t we see Raymond answering such questions??
As for Ming Pao being a legit magazine, it does have a better reputation than other HK magazines, but I did remember reading a report of how Raymond entered Karena and her past boyfriend’s relationship. It was a very negative report (literally saying Raymond was #3 and stole Karena), hence I doubt the validity of Ming Pao magazine.
@Melissa – unlike Raymond who has established his status in this industry, Karena is just a newbie. She needs to establish a good relationship with reporters, and refusing to answer questions when accepting an interview will piss them off because they won’t have the information for their C1 headlines. We know they have the power to trash someone’s image, e.g. Bernice Liu, Joe Ma, etc. Look at Andy Lau, Myolie and Moses – I can’t say anything about how they are as a person because I don’t know them but I can’t deny that they have a good relationship with the reporters. Hence, most of their news has always been positive.
Maybe that’s one reason why she answers every question. But, I still question her real intention, I think pissing off reporters would be the last thing on her mind. Don’t forget, it’s not like she isn’t pissing them off – look at all the negative gossip about her lately!
Wow, I’m surprised that I find myself defending Karena all of a sudden when I don’t even like her.
It’s called being “fair”.
Seriously! I don’t particularly like Karena either and don’t find her talented, but I’m surprised at all the negativity in the responses. People will just assume and bash away. Their assumptions may be true, they may not be – we just don’t know, but I felt that her responses from this article alone show her as a mature person.
Second you!!! o(≧3≦)o
I’m just medicore towards Karena especially get acting. When I first watch her movie, I was like HUH? What did Raymond Wong looks into her? One minute u find her pretty, the next seems not. Her acting, same category with Christina Kuo 😉
Thus I expect she might be a relative of a well-known actor/actress to get her cast in her role.
Then lol, turn out she is a nobody.
Then come news of her with Raymond Lam and all the ppls bashing her, feel a little pity to her.
Anyway, wish them all the best and maybe in a few years get married and let those haters to keep hating and being miserable! Hahas 😉
*especially in her acting*
but lorr how many newbies nowadays really can ACT?! Look at those actor/actresses in the Lan Kwai Fong movies!!
*christine kuo*
I wish them the best in hell, stay there forever.
Those two b**tards!? I need to puke…….. disgusting!!!!!!!
Well just grab a bucket and here’s a tip for you – the next time you see “Karena” or “Raymond” in the title, just don’t read. It’s that simple.
I know right. This person has vomited here several times in the past few weeks. But still can’t keep away from the deadly karena&LF drug.
I don’t know if anyone finds it weird, but why is there a guy here complaining? Complaining about Raymond Lam and his chick? Too much estrogen lately?
OK lol, so men can’t comment on their news. In what way is he complaining? He’s only writing his thoughts out.
Men can comment on his news, but most normal men do not object in this feminine, jealous tone and picking out things to say as if he has no testosterone. I mean, Larry 3, dd, TVB fanatic are all male commentors but they speak like men? Men typically do not pick out detailed and specific things, they’re observations are typically broad and generalized. There is actually research, scientific findings and national statistics comparing the differences in reactions between males and females.
Google it. Maybe next time when Mandy and her henchwitches decides to make more variability in her hate crew, she can impersonate a real guy better?
Just helping her with her cause.
Please Kasey.. stop your conspiracy claims.
I come on here and there with my conspiracy claims. At least it isn’t daily or every second of the day?
So it’s very normal to start now, come back later, stop, repeat. Just like she won’t stop. I don’t feel the need. I do what I do. Don’t like it. Well I won’t have a bunch of different users at least. Just one. Me. Kasey.
See ya around Ms. Vincent.
Well I’m not the one cussing or the one angry.
Therefore, my claims aren’t weak after all. Since it’ll make you feel better, most likely, tomorrow is another day Mr. Vincent.
^LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Vincent called the Hermes Kelly, ‘the Kelly bag’ lol. Karl Lagerfield and even Karl Marx probably wouldn’t have even called it that. If they even noticed the difference between the Kelly and the Birkin in the first place.
Go talk with some real dudes and you’ll see they don’t talk about Kelly bags. Kelly Chen maybe, Kelly bags….hell no.
>I mean, Larry 3, dd, TVB fanatic are all male commentors but they speak like men?
I need this on paper so I can carry it in my purse and flash it to random people whenever they call me gay.
What?
Oh. OH.
I meant WALLET. NOT PURSE.
@Siying
I read the name of the bag on the magazine?? All the conspiracy theories going on here is insane, messed up.
Ok Sir Vincent,
You read it in a magazine. I’m a no good, no-lifer, thrash talking, nosy as bosy, no brain housewife and I like to know the origins of her bags and where they ended up, who got them for her and at what price.
You, Sir Vincent, share the same interests as I do!
I don’t know if I should feel deeply flattered that you and me have a common girly interest or that you should be über embarrassed as a man, for talking like a see-lai. 😉
Why don’t you man up and take some classes from Larry 3, dd, TVB Fanatic, Kaboom and Trini. They’re all men and none of them talk like a see-lai with a hissy fit.
To dd: Still better than Mr. Vincent.
I understand how you feel Vincent, cheer up man.
THANK YOU dudes for speaking up for me!! I’m angry at how the name calling went from accusing women to accusing men.
You are welcome Vincent 🙂
………..
Whoever is faking Mandy should grow up.
I did grow up. That’s why I tried to stop all of you from crashing this board. As I speak, I can only feel the others inside me coming out. I can’t control them anymore. I foresee that there will be more of me. They’re all me. I can’t stop them. Sorry.
Oh my god, please see a physician asap!! I wish you a speedy recovery!
@karena-condemner
Girl, somebody is faking her, the same person who is accusing me of being her.
I think all of this is karma at its best. The real mandy who havent showed up since forever as mandy but have been under so many monkiers is finally getting a taste of her own medicine. Mandy is a troll. It would only make sense to have another troll to troll even worse than her lol. You know the real Mandy isnt that bright when all her so called followers are the only ones defending her. You dont ever see a common or frequent commentor defending her. Its always someone new or one that got created from the deep blue sea. I wonder if the real Mandy has figurerines of herself at home and speaks to them. Pretty scary imagination I got or is it an imagination?
Hohoho Vincent,
There are only 2 people I can see now in this post, Kasey and me who you might be talking about.
I don’t know who you are coming after, but if you are trying to set us up and frame us for pretending to be Mandy, you’d better think twice.
If you didn’t heed my earlier warnings to you, I don’t suppose you will heed this one either. But don’t turn around and say I didn’t tell you.
Don’t go down this path of trying to frame Kasey or me, or any of the ones on your Top 5 hit list.
Mandy herself who is impostering Mandy, then accusing others, is an all new low.
Vincent, it took you only minutes after Mandy posted to figure out that someone is faking her.
The one who notices so quickly and is so quick to say that Mandy is fake, is the one faking her.
It’s the same analogy as someone who farts in a crowded elevator and is the first to close their nose pretending to be innocent, even before others can smell anything.
To Mr. Vincent: This is why I know you are not even real. Most people on Jaynestar know I speak in a condescending tone. I do not know who that Mandy up there is, real fake or imposter Mandy, she, he or it speaks in a sweet mockery way. I do not even bother sugar coating in such sweet mockery sense because that ain’t me. Good luck finding who is fooling you all and having a good time because sure hell it ain’t me.
I’m a man for god sake!!!!! Forget it, I’m not bothering to talk s*it with you all.
Vincent, don’t let these claims get you. I’ve seen a number of users being accused while some left and some stayed. You have an eye for detail; don’t let the accusations get into you, it will only make the imposter more than happy.
What eye for detail does Vincent have June?
If Vincent had an eye for detail, or any eyes at all, Vincent wouldn’t be accusing me nor Kasey as its more than obvious its not the both of us. It’s so obvious that anyone with eyes can see.
That fake Mandy made such a big mistake that its so obvious it’s not even anyone in her hit list.
While I am lolling at Siying’s comment about how she and Vincent share the same interests even though she’s a housewife (hahaha), I still think it’s OK for him to be into handbags and purses if that’s his thing.
I had a coffee/lunch with two Japanese women 20 years older than me a month ago. That’s something I thought I’d never see myself doing. Call it having girly-interests, I call it broadening your scope.
Hi dd 🙂
I think it’s totally cool and manly to have coffee/lunch with women to talk about anything or just hang out, be comfortable and not feel pressured to have to say anything.
I’m also cool with boys who likes girl stuff, you are right it’s broadening one’s scope, I once dated a boy who collected Blythe dolls and know another one who is my best friend, he collects Care Bears. 🙂
I’m not sure about other see-lais, but this see-lai here says the darnest things. Lol.
I noticed Vincent has been appearing at all previous LF articles only, with something mean to say about LF’s girl and like Kasey pointed out, in a jealous tone, so if its a girl on here pretending to be a boy, lol, that is not cool, this see-lai must say something.
Well, it seems this see-lai does the darnest things too. Lol.
I think you’re thinking too much lol….
Not convinced he only gave one Hermes bag for her. She claims it’s a valentine’s day gift but they went to Japan during valentine’s day.
Unless he bought the bag in Japan, I’m pretty sure he bought it during their stay in Milan. Their trip in Milan was AFTER Valentine’s day, who would give a gift after the holiday passed??
Yea, I remember when the reporters asked her why they went to Milan and she said to see the structures in Milan. That was such a lame excuse, don’t know why she’s hesitant to say they went there shopping.
That was seriously the most LAME excuse I’ve ever heard.
She even said she didn’t buying anything during that trip, that is just too hard to believe. She went there for 5 days, 12 hour flight to/from HK and she only went there to “look” at the architecture? That’s really questionable.
I don’t find anything wrong with giving a gift after the holidays have passed. However, I feel that she lying through her teeth which again makes this interview even less believable.
It wouldn’t make sense, would it?? It is the first Valentine’s Day they spent together and he would give her a bag AFTER Valentine’s Day?? I’m sure any boyfriend wouldn’t do that, esp. Ray (he loves her too much lol).
What kind of boyfriends do you have? O_O
Tell you what, forget that. DUMP.
I personally would not mind since there is more to life to receiving and giving gifts. If I got upset with my boyfriend because of giving a gift late, there is something wrong with me…
I wouldn’t be happy if my boyfriend gave me something after Valentine’s Day. It’s like wishing you happy birthday AFTER your birthday passed. Not much meaning then.
Why don’t they die yet? Seems like they didn’t do a body check yet, do it soon, AIDS needs to be treated immediately.
Why don’t you do yourself a favor and go hunt them down yourself?
Lol
Everyone will die one day, but it is just a matter of when they will die…
They’re die but either suddenly or slowly and painfully, such as treating cancer. The latter would come true very soon.
And the fakeness continues……
Whether it’s me, my family, or friends, he treats them all very well. [..]He is not close to my parents like what the tabloids are saying. They have talked once on the phone. They’ve never met each other in person.”
Exactly how well did Raymond treat her parents when they haven’t even met each other yet?
Aggravating the situation are other players.
Karena’s manager, Carmen Cheng texted “Ignorant and stupid people are the scariest…mainland China has many.”
Carmen’s husband, Edmond Wong (Boss Raymond Wong’s son) supporting Karena, blamed Raymond Lam for putting her in this messy situation, and naturally his post opened a whole new can of worms inciting the already aggravated RL fans to their idol’s defense and loathing Karena even more.
Raymond Lam’s manager reportedly dislikes Karena.
RL’s assistant posted cryptic messages on weibo against KarenaBB. post#29 #31
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2387386199
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2384457598?pn=1
And we thought Ron-Viann’s affair was bad enough?
This was the insider information I read on Weibo. His assistant and his brother do not have good words to say about her. There must be some truth in these gold digger rumors.
I have a feeling that there must be some truth to those rumours too. His brother dislikes her and I think his dad does too, but she goes on and on about how they love her… She is either lost or in denial and thinks everyone loves her when they don’t.
ABSOLUTELY the best proof of her character! If anything, they know more than us do!!
I’m not surprised his manager dislikes her. Nobody except for Ray and her family and her management likes her.
Lol, “helped me became a better man.” I wonder if Mavis helped you become a better man??
haizzzzzzzzz, TIME WILL PROVE ALL THINGS,,, LET’S WAIT AND SEE THE PERSONALITY OF KARENA !
I don’t know man…she said that when she dated Derek, they were like children..it makes her seem like she’s freaking 30. she’s 19….
I don’t know her nor particularly like her. But she doesn’t look like a bad person ppl or media has painted her. Give her chance. I wish the couple happiness.
There is hope in this place.
leave them alone -__-! none of y’alls will see or interact with them. Raymond Lam lovers, you’re chances of meeting him and speaking with him like a friend is probably impossible, karena haters, with so much hate in your hearts why can’t you improve your own life instead of thinking of ways to hinder the image of others with profanity.
This is only the beginning of what would be a tragic ending.
Karen Ng is only 19 years old.. lets think about that for a second.. why point fingers at her for being a gold digger.. Why don’t we focus on dirty old man Raymond Lam messing with a young 19 year old still wet behind the ears.. He’s having a great time in bed with her no doubt. For her, she barely knows anything.. She seem innocent and young.. He going to be done with her in a year or so.. Let we enjoy those bags.. Dirty old crap face Raymond.. Can’t to hear about him when he’s forty years old and chasing after young girls.. story of his life..
Look, bfs like to spend money on gfs, especially rich bfs. What’s the big deal with the hermes bag? And Im sure Karena can afford one herself. If he likes to splurge expensive gifts on her, then let it be. Who are we to judge and call her a gold digger? Do you really think Raymond would buy her a Guess or Coach bag? LOL.
I pointed out coach and guess because celebrities like raymond and karena would only go for expensive bags eg. hermes, celine, prada. So naturally Raymond would give these things to his gf.
Btw, Coach and Guess have good designs too, Hermes only has the brand name, the design doesn’t look good.
Even LV wont kill his budget.
I have seen Hermes bags and gosh are they ugly. I don’t understand why they are sooo expensive. People who buy them only buy the brand name only.
Hi HeTieShou,
Well, beauty like acting, is subjective. Just like how some find Kate Tsui pretty and some not. They’re very expensive because only a limited number is handmade each year, the really expensive ones are custom handmade and take up to 2 years to make with 1 or maybe only 4 pieces ever being made in the world.
Imagine a team of people who work day in day out for 2 years making one item for you till it’s completion. That’s even longer than the time needed to build a house.
While some buy for the brand sake, others buy it because its value never depreciates unlike if one is purchasing a car. 🙂
Thanks for the info Siying, but I still don’t think it is worth it to blow your life savings on just one item like a bag. It’s not like it is something I really really need or I will die or something. I can easily get something way nicer and way cheaper and be just as content.
You are most welcome HeTieShou, 🙂
I agree with your view that one should be content. My take is that Karena is not like an average person, her earnings in a movie can be an average person’s life savings, so when she or her bf purchases something extravagant, it would be well within their means, I do not see the greed that is there because they are doing what they want with their hard earned cash.
Yes I agree that they may be spending extravagantly compared to Dicky’s ex wife or others, but everyone prioritizes differently. I don’t feel it is fair for us public to label Karena anything if she chooses differently.
I mean, 2000 children under the age of 5 die everyday because of the lack of clean water, sanitation and hygiene yet people in the world still take long baths in their bath tubs and turbojet jacuzzis. Are we to call these people murderers?
You are most welcome HeTieShou, 🙂
I agree with your view that one should be content.
My take is that Karena is not like an average person, her earnings in a movie can be an average person’s life savings, so when she or her bf purchases something extravagant, it would be well within their means, it’s their choice to spend that way and I don’t feel that its fair that we, the public, label her, even if she receives some extravagant gifts.
I mean, globally, 2000 children under the age of 5 die everyday because of the lack of clean water, poor sanitation and hygiene yet people in today’s world still make the choice of taking baths in fully filled bath tubs and are leisurely soaking in their turbojet jacuzzis. Are we to label these people as murderers?
If I had that much money, I wouldn’t “invest” in a Birkin LOL. Gold and diamonds, mutual funds or bonds yield much higher returns lol.
Siying, she’s still a newbie, how much can you expect her to make? I honestly don’t think she makes lots of money lol.
That’s your opinion Siying, seems like the majority of people here label her as a gold digger though.
People only came here to express their opinions, there’s no “fairness” as to whether she should be criticized or not. As a celebrity, she should be prepared. If not, why enter the industry? Why be his girlfriend? Why not go back to Australia or join his dad in chopping roast pork lol?
She can afford one herself but I really doubt anybody (unless you’re rich) would use so much money on one bag. An average worker would be reluctant to spend all her savings ON ONE SERVING.
Put yourself in her shoes. If you made money (don’t forget, you’re a newbie), would you save it up or spend it all on one bag? YES, you can afford it but the question is whether you’re be willing to spend all of your money on one overrated bag?
If your boyfriend bought it for you or if you used your his money, that would be a different story, right?
If she wasn’t a gold digger, she could’ve rejected the offer, she didn’t have to accept it. Let’s face it – she’s a gold digger.
Why on earth you’ll reject a gift from your bf, especially if he already has bought it?
Agree with you again Jeeee. 🙂
Besides, it was just a regular Hermes, not even the Ginza Tanaka or Pierre Hardy edition, what’s there not to accept.
Well, sure hope Cici’s bf don’t go around buying her any Hermes, he’ll be rejected!
That, or she retracts her words here today and accepts it. That’s when we…
-Cue Kanye West-
“She take my money, well I’m in need
Yeah she’s a triflin’ friend indeed
Oh she’s a gold digger way over time
That digs on me
(She give me money)
Now I ain’t sayin’ she a gold digger (When I’m in need)
But she ain’t messin’ wit no broke, broke.”
After reading the interview, don’t you think she tries to make herself sound like a victim of the media?? From her interview, it seems like she was unwilling (or didn’t want to) own the bag. It’s like: “He’s giving me the bag, I didn’t want it.” LOL
I have that feeling too. She tries to make herself sound humble but by wearing all those famous brands and hanging the Hermes bag on her shoulder, it really implies she’s a hypocrite.
So what do you expect her to wear Tracy? Something from EDC’s CLOT, Samuel & Kevin, Giordano, Espirit?
Definitely cheaper brands.
Like many people said before, she’s only 19 and a newbie. The clothes and bags she’s using don’t match her status in HK.
Yes, she’s his girlfriend but so what? She’s not like Queen of Wales or something. She’s 19 only and already wearing Hermes?? That really tells that she chases famous brands and desires them.
Wasn’t there a report of her toting Louis Vuitton at 15? Even before she met LF?
Now she’s 19 and has LF and you expect her to walk around in cheaper brands. Wow. Talk about being short changed.
Maybe it’s me only but I would prefer be calling poor rather than being a gold digger.
Wearing not-so-famous brands doesn’t mean Ray is “abusing her”. If she needs these famous brands to in order to “match” Ray, then he’s probably not a suitable match for him.
If she is so beautiful, she wouldn’t need these brands to back her up right? A person can look beautiful even if she is wearing cheap or mediocre brands.
Well, what you are saying now has nothing to do with what we were talking about.
You said “she’s only 19 and a newbie. The clothes and bags she’s using don’t match her status in HK.”
So I replied you. If she was a real nobody at 15 and look what she brought to school, how can we expect to do any less than an LV at 19?
Well Siying, seems like you proved she’s a gold digger. Her desire for famous brands at a young age and the need for more and more is her personal desire/greed. It has nothing to do with her status in HK or whether she is Ray’s girlfriend.
No, I insinuated that she was materialistic based on the LV school bag report. That’s different from being a gold-digger who digs at LF, which is what you were trying to prove.
ma·te·ri·al·ism
1. Philosophy The theory that physical matter is the only reality and that everything, including thought, feeling, mind, and will, can be explained in terms of matter and physical phenomena.
2. The theory or attitude that physical well-being and worldly possessions constitute the greatest good and highest value in life.
3. A great or excessive regard for worldly concerns.
That doesn’t equate to being a gold digger.
No need to argue on the gold digger part, she dumped Derek for him. That is already sufficient evidence (source: Mingpao magazine).
Also, the more she emphasizes she used her own money to buy the brands and didn’t receive anything from Ray (except the birkin) shows she is hiding something. Gold digger.
The insider information on Weibo and other sources such as her manager and Ray’s assistant supply us with a lot of information.
Even Rocky implied she is digging gold; I think she gets the name gold digger hands down LOL.
I personally would reject gifts that are too expensive even if it were from my family members because I don’t want anyone spending too much on me, especially if it is something that is not needed. It is hard to earn money these days so it should not all go to some stupid bag.
I remember when Zhang Qian(Cheung Wai Jian’s current wife) dated D-icky, she never spent his money or bought or wore brand name clothing. She even said that D-icky worked hard for his money so he should spend it on himself and not her. She did not spend much herself and only got some brand name clothing from her sister who married a French man and lived in France. As we can see Karena, does not seem like that at all..
The sun rises from the west if she’s not a gold digger lol
Yes Jeeee,
That’s absolutely right. Really a Birkin is nothing, even if he gave her two, or four, its nothing, look at Victoria Beckham, she’s got it in every colour and in every possible skin.
I like to have her Hermes accounted for because I’m just a busybody who likes to know where each of them went, but hey, to call her a gold digger everyday, that’s just too much.
And I agree it has to be a Hermes Birkin and not a Coach or Guess, this friggin bag had a wait list of 6 years. This was THE bag that even started the wait list for luxury bags. People even came up with cheats to cut the wait.
That’s why Cici, even if she had to spend her savings on it, she would, on that one serving. Go talk to folks who tote their Hermes around, it’s so sturdy it could be passed on for generations, you wouldn’t find it overrated after you touch one of those.
How could it be overrated? It’s as smooth as a baby’s butt. Could Coach and Guess have designs like that, never!
I don’t think I would. I wouldn’t spend all my money on one bag, maybe a few Gucci bags, few Coach bags, and maybe one Prada bag, etc. Maybe I’ll even have a few dollars change left over lol.
Well Cici darling,
They call the Birkin an investment piece for a reason.
If you ever needed to sell it, you’d get back more than all of the combine amount you’d get for selling all those bags you listed above and then some extra to even buy a couple more Gucci, Prada and Coach.
That would be a different story though.
If the bag is really Valentine’s Day gift, she wouldn’t sell it even if needs money. Selling it and making a profit would be the last thing she’ll do.
Well look at Florina Ho, she’s the least in need of money, didn’t she just sell her Valentine’s Chanel shoes, no?
That I do not know.
Alt. the Birkin is a good investment, I don’t think Ray considered that as a factor while buying the bag. If Karena did consider it as a good form of investment, then probably she was the one who wanted/ bought the bag. She’ll be lying then, it’s not a surprise gift from him.
Men don’t consider and wouldn’t think of buying the Birkin as a form of investment. Only women would (or mostly women). If that’s the case, then she’s lying because she’ll know she can sell it for a fortune in the future.
Well, isn’t that suppose to be common knowledge? Men know that Hermes is an investment. Look at Bernard Arnault, owner of LVMH who bought into Hermes and acquired 22.6% of their shares.. He’s a man and he knows its an investment.
Well if Lam Fung didn’t know, he probably just wanted her to have a ‘Couple bag’ since he has one too.
Or better yet, a ‘family bag’, his mum got one too.
Siying, the Kelly bag is also a good investment. She has one but not him.
Please don’t assume this is common knowledge, only women would be familiar with that.
And, you’re going off topic – owning Hermes shares and investing in Birkin is a big difference.
I personally would never spend so much on a bag. I think that is a waste of money, especially if you will use the bag and of course after you use it, the value goes way down. I was never crazy over these bags and still don’t get why people would spend their life savings on it?? Do they just want to show off?? I would only get 1-2 Coach bags and a few wallets and wristlets that I like to use, but that’s it. Many styles of Coach are ugly to me too. But luckily, they are affordable so even an average Jane can get them.
Coach is not that ugly. Hermes honestly has no design, except for an H…… Don’t get the hype for Hermes except for the brand name and getting the right to show off.
Well Cici,
Of course I know that owning Hermes and owning the Hermes Birkin Bag are two different things.
You and Tracy said men don’t factor in the Birkin as an investment, while I pointed out that if the owner of LVMH is a man himself and he buys into the entire Hermes brand which will cost so so so much more than just a Birkin, doesn’t it show that men know their investments?
Also Cici,
Of course she has one but not him, the Kelly bag is famous for being used by Grace Kelly when she became the Princess of Monaco to block her pregnant stomach, which was big news all over the world at that time, hence they named it The Kelly Bag.
He wouldn’t buy one for himself now would he? It’s single strap and feminine looking too.
I once saw on Inside Edition a man that had a huge collection of Barbie dolls and was shocked at first, but then thought that nothing should be shocking these days anymore. People can collect anything they like even if it seems a bit strange to many people.
I don’t even count Coach as a brand anymore. Its marketing value is about the same as Payless. Over exaggerating a bit, but it’s getting there.
Yes, men know their investment and Ray bought 2 houses (I think) thus he does know how make good investments. But, you missed out on my point. The point is men don’t invest in Birkin. Investing in Hermes stock is different than buying handbags as a type of investment.
You said the Birkin is better than other brands because it can be sold at a higher price -> good investment.
I said ONLY women (Karena in this case) would buy/sell Birkin (or invest in handbags). Men DO NOT make such investments because Birkins’ main market are women. Why? Because Birkin and Kelly Bags are mostly wore by women.
@Crystal
Coach is not that terrible. Coach has lots of branches around the world and the prices are still high, but of course, it is much more affordable than Hermes.
Cici,
If you didn’t already know, men invest in Birkins. Not all with an intention to sell them, but they do know its an investment piece.
A lot of men. Famous ones, not famous ones, straight ones, not straight ones, tall ones, short ones etc etc. I can drop names as well, Roger Federer, Marc Jacobs, Pharrell Williams, Kanye West, too many to name.
Male dealers, male collectors, these men, they invest in Birkins, some do it for a living, back to your statement:
“I said ONLY women (Karena in this case) would buy/sell Birkin (or invest in handbags). Men DO NOT make such investments because Birkins’ main market are women”
Well, what I meant about buying into Hermes share is that you think that men don’t buy Birkins for investment, and I’m saying, look at the big picture, what is one birkin compared to buying up 22.6% of Hermes which owns the Birkin.
That purchase, was made by a man.
I agree with Cici that Coach is not that bad and definately is not at the same level as Payless. I just bought 2 wallets that cost like $200 each and that was already a lot to me. However, I hope to use them for a long time. The Coach name and quality is still higher than any old brand and their prices are also higher than any unknown brand. My cousin bought a Dockers leather wallet over 30 years ago
for $25 and is still using it.
I understand you still pay a mediocre sum to get Coach items, but the point is… You buy a bag from Coach that’s like $500. You see Ebay? They sell that same bag you bought for $500 for around $100. So yes, Coach’s market value is extremely low now because everyone can afford it.
I’ll tell you. When you purchase a LV, Prada or Gucci and etc. buy from the original price, if you sell it back, it’s still near its original price. It has significant market value. Coach, nope.
If its Birkin, you can get a low end one at $8000 from the store if you are lucky and you can sell it online for $56000 and still find a buyer for it.
I never said Hermes Birkin isn’t a good investment. I’m aware that it can be sold at close to original price and there may be some profit too.
What I’m discussing is the point about men investing Birkin.
You said Ray bought Hermes for her because it’s better because it is a good investment.
My point was he wouldn’t “really” make this type of investment. Even if a handful of male celebrities (those you named) buy/sell Birkin, so what? It doesn’t prove Ray’s bought Birkin to invest. It seems a little far-fetched, it’s not like he has a long history of buying Birkin bags.
I followed him for many years and this is actually the first time I see him using a Hermes bag. He doesn’t have a history of collecting Hermes bags.
“You said Ray bought Hermes for her because it’s better because it is a good investment.” –> I’ve never said this. You misinterpreted it.
Look at our posts. I was replying to you about Birkin being called an Investment piece because of what you wrote :-
Cici says:
June 11, 2013 at 12:04 pm
I don’t think I would. I wouldn’t spend all my money on one bag, maybe a few Gucci bags, few Coach bags, and maybe one Prada bag, etc. Maybe I’ll even have a few dollars change left over lol.
That’s when I said they were Investment pieces where you sell them and get a higher price then those you mentioned.
Then you deflected admitting that my reply was correct to your reply and you brought in Raymond buying it as an investment.
“Alt. the Birkin is a good investment, I don’t think Ray considered that as a factor while buying the bag.”
Tracy then backed up with men don’t consider them investments, so I brought up Bernard Arnault being a man. I also said if LF didn’t know, maybe it was a couple bag.
See, you diverted it to LF when really I brought in the investment piece as a general statement to your initial reply that you would sell your Coach. Gucci and Prada and get a few dollars left over.
hmmmmm……fast forward. i can guess what she is going to say when they break up – “the intense scrutiny and pressures from the public and reporters are taking a toll on me’ will be her response. ‘beside i’m still young and not ready for marriage yet, so we have decided to split’. ok my 2 cents worth of thoughts. her chin looks very pointy and unnatural
1st thing you must do when you see a LF & Karena article, scroll down and read the comments.
To those calling her a media-girl, if that is her intent, then you are playing right into it, you sure you about your claims? You should be working as a detective, the planet’s got plenty of criminals waiting for you to catch.
Please, if you think she is not stirring up controversy, then you need to read/observe more carefully. Any person with a normal IQ can figure this out.
I never said she was or wasn’t, i was saying that the people calling her out for it are the ones giving her the attention she seeks (provided that’s what she’s after). Like i pointed out, first thing you do when you see an article with her and LF, scroll down and read the comments, i haven’t even read the article
One word “creepy”…am I the person that find it creepy that a 30 something years old wants to hang out with an 18 years…we all know he only had one thing on his mind. As for her, it’s like winning the lottery.
How can she answers she many question in the mature way, she old 19 years. must somebody teach her. ok raymond must support her because she is his girlfiend. if not rumours will be turn in different lol.
I actually feel a little sorry for Karena…… but still, Karena should stop ‘opening up’. Everytime she ‘opens up’ she causes more harm than good to herself!
I agree- maybe it isn’t her fault that she’s to answer these questions whenever the media bombards her with questions about her relationship with Raymond. But the more information she exposes, the more the media will write crap, and the more people will find the two very annoying since whenever news is about Raymond or Karena, it’s always relating to their relationship….she needs to learn how to answer the media’s questions. I find it funny how they ask the media to give them space and some privacy, yet most time when the media tries to dig out info, she openly answers the questions revealing personal information to the public to read and know. She may be young, but girl, learn to me intelligent and smarter when it comes to addressing the media. She’s being an obedient girl, doing the media a big favour by answering all their questions openly, while the media is just lapping it all up and eating her alive.
“We chose to reveal our relationship because we want to everyone to accommodate it. We want everyone to give us space and support us”–> This bit really confuses the hell out of me. Revealing the relationship and giving out plenty of personal details after that, and asking people to accomodate and give them space. What?
It’s an oxymoron that sentence. Just out right hilarious.
She maybe young, but she’s not just innocent and naive in answering these questions how she did…. I’m sure she wants a to fan the fire a little too.
Exactly Clementine, I find that to be ironic too.
didnt she say before that she didnt know that ray revealed their relationship?!?!?! darn this girl is contradicting herself
@subtleness,
“A good memory is needed once people have lied.” 🙂
Again, she does NOT look 19 so I think they do match at this point if uncle RL does not aged faster than most haahaha…
n It’s a win win situation, she wants money and he wants the girl. so who’s to blame? 🙂
I seriously don’t think they match. Besides height, they look like father and daughter together. She’s too young and he’s too mature.
I would not stay father and daughter, more like big brother little sister. That is what they look like to me.
This girl can really tell lies. TVB is also messing up on their reports.
Just watched Scoop on TVBUSA. Earlier TVB reported she visited Ray in China (last week or 2 weeks ago). Now, Scoop reports they haven’t met for “one month.”
And, it doesn’t end like that lol. She also says they didn’t meet for a long time (1 month). Is she lying or does she have a memory loss LOL??
TVB lies.
It is not a new thing since celebs are famous for lying through their teeth…
Hope they both get kidnapped and survive the incident, but live blind and deaf forever!!
their news never ends, does it?? very sick and tired of them.
But yet many still come and read as well as comment. Don’t you see how many comments their news gets compared to others??
Probably because viewers like to see controversy over positive news. Their news generates lots of comments…… quite tired of reading them over and over.
RL has too many fans that’s why more comments and it could be b/c more haters too. This is my first time commenting Karen’s post. The reason b/c I was like holly so many comments. Of course people like to write bad things more than good things.
Drown a**holes, drown while going on a cruise in Asia. A**holes!
LOL, so many comments!! I don’t know her at all and this is my first comment ever. I’m sure it’s hard to live as a celebrity because there’s always more unhappy people out there to judge on everything. If they are pretty – public will say surgery, dating poor guy- public will say he’s using her, dating a rich guy – public will say gold-digger, dating famous guy – public will say using him for attention, she’s speaking up for her family – public will say to create news.
Raymond had a choice to not publicly announce the romance. Admitting the relationship as an idol is not easy – he could loss his popularity. There are many artists who never revealed their status even when there are photos of them (some can be very secretive). Sounds like these too are very supportive of each other. You need to know that it is also hard to be Karena due to her being new to the industry and she’s not from a wealthy family.
Raymond is a man and he makes more money- so what if he has to be the one that pay for meals, gifts or travel expenses – these are just the basic of dating (that’s how gentlemen supposed to do). Raymond is not that stupid – is not like he’s draining out his entire asset. Even if Raymond sponsored the clothes – it is his choice and nothing wrong for making his gf look elegant at the events. As long as they are happy and if she was a real gold-digger she could quit her job and live off him.
She’s speaking up for family and it is totally right thing to do and it is not to get public attention. To her even if the reporters said small thing about her family but to her it may be a darn big thing. She just want the reporters to not bring her family down and she’s here to try her best to shoot down the rumors. If she were to stay silent then public will say it must be true.
I’ve seen many many articles of her and I feel sorry – having to deal with all these negative news. People even said she’s explaining herself so she can be famous? I think she’s doing really well facing the public on screen if she’s hiding behind then there’s more to say.
Don’t you want your bf to support you and speak up for you? Don’t you want your bf to take you on vacation? Don’t you want gifts from your bf? Don’t you want your bf to treat you out for dinner/lunch? – these are called protection, love and only gentlemen will do.
I’ve read many comments like yours on Weibo. However, many changed their views in the end. Why? Because they did more reading and analysis and found out Karena’s true face.
On the surface, everything seems normal. But, if you read the previous comments and old posts on Jaynestars, you will read that there’s more into their relationship.
agreed @azndoraemon
@ Janine- analysis?? true face? only Raymond and her would know. The thing is Raymond always step out and speak for her -that’s all it matter. He is not a billionaire – If i were a gold-digger I would hunt for big fish b/c it’s not worth this kind of stress that Karen’s is facing.
About handbag: To a poor person, it’s big luxury but to the rich it is just like a plastic bag. Just like if you were to receive a $100 from your bf then that’s nothing. But if a homeless person received $100 that’s luxury. It’s all depends on how much you have, a homeless person have nothing so that little money is giant.
I think designer handbags/clothes as a ladder. I look up to those so I can do better with my career. When I was in high school – i think coach is expensive so i work hard and I finally got one a year later from promotion. After that I look at gucci/LV then of course I got another promotion then I was able to afford it. Now I have everything – I feel those all nothing. To RAYMOND – he can afford those so it is nothing to him. Not like he’s giving away all his savings. These are just the basic and normal dating life. Sometimes guys look at it like buying their gf something expensive is to show sincere.
I do not have time to read posts and the more posts doesn’t mean I have to agree or go along. Chinese is well known as gossip king and queen. I don’t like RL or Karena and I know nothing about her but I feel they are mutually supportive of each other and that’s all it matter.
I agree with Janine, there’s too much clues that something fishy is happening.
I guess you are fine with accepting gold diggers in society, for me though, I support integrity and honesty.
well said @azndoraemon. I too am not a fan of neither but these attacks, gossip and insults are clearly out of hand.
@Katherine: what’s gold-digger to you? Buying presents for his gf and that makes her gold-digger?
I still think all this fuss is how society feels about rich and the poor co existing. Given Karena is not poor, but compared to the rich, as long as the other family is not richer, they are poor on their page. It is the same everywhere. Perhaps that is the reason why RL’s family is not fond of her because she is not on the same level as them.
Reading all these comments reminds me of the see lais and rich bat pors in rich families. It is always she is taking advantage of him, he is just switching over to tea rather than coffee blah blah blah. Come on man, there is such a thing as people co existing despite different social status.
Whether these two will last, time will tell. If they do not, then that is their problem. If they do last, that is still their problem. What I do see mutually between these two is they are happy. Happy to have each other’s company and back. I do not understand why human beings can not be happy for others’ happiness.
Somebody needs to tell her to go DIE!
Wow, you should definitely not tell anyone to “go die”. That is absolutely too harsh and unnecessary.
I’m not a fan of RL or Karena but i think as long as they are both happy doesn’t matter if she is a gold digger and he like young teen girl.
Crystal ball, crystal ball:
I see Kar girl slapping Ramon. Ramon rapes her but fails. Both of them eventually die in a car accident.
Yes, yes!!!!
Sorry, but considering how young she is and what a large gap they have between them, even if she is a gold-digger, there’s really no problem to that. Pay more to get a younger lady, right? That’s life.
*large age gap
I see some moral issue in being a gold digger; well, that’s just me.
A large age gap would be Raymond 50, Karena 19. What is wrong with you children?.
14 years is a lot to me. Even 7 years is a lot. Maybe I’m not that “open” lol.
@CICI – 14 years is not a big deal. Age is just a number. To you it’s a problem but to them is not and that’s all it matter. It is not like RL is 25 and Karena is 11 OR RL is 50 and Karena is 19.
you said you are tired of their news but you followed through from the start.
why are the top three most popular articles on this site Raymond and Karena X3 ???!!! I thought people would be sick and tired of them by now. Even Moses and Aimee getting married couldn’t beat them.
b/c more haters. RL fans might not like Karena. Seriously people need to give respect. I just don’t understand why people like to think negative more than +. If RL said to give them privacy and he’s asking for respect then we should try. He’s always out to speak for her than they are very supportive of each other. I am happy with his move.
They might not last anyways especially now days marriage/dating is fragile.
There’s no way media and viewers will give them privacy.
Once they entered the industry, they should know they’re be followed and they’re be reported to death.
as for the privacy part, I find it quite funny lol, you need to read the post above. It addresses your point about giving him privacy.
i guess people are over Aimee n Moses
Karena and RL knows that once they annouce their dating then they will be followed. That’s why Karena’s always on the articles. But you guys said she shows up to get famous.
I don’t think they do. If they did, I don’t think they would’ve announced it in the first place. Maybe Karena would, seems like she always answers reporters to get headline news. I have never seen a celebrity answer basically every question about their relationship.
Moses, Aimee, Andy Lau, Leon Lai, etc. don’t act that high-profiled.
Comments break 200. This proof that this couples are famous
LF is famous that’s why
Four articles about RL and/or KN posted within a week are on the most popular articles list of JayneStars (total eight articles on the list).
It seems that everyone here thinks the relationship is not sincere or anything close. I however think that it might actually be a serious thing and that they truly like each other. I also doubted their relationship at first, but now I will keep an open mind and won’t be surprised if this is legitimate…
Also, we are after all just outsiders… No one truly knows what goes on between them… except for themselves.
True but I really feel there’s more than what is seems. Time will tell the truth.
That love sicko… disgusting pair.
why are people here wishing them death ? you all act like you own him? he seems to really care about here, and i know there ages are apart and i dont want anyone dating a girl who is just getting out of here teens and men do use this to use women, i know i have seen this happen too.
but i still think they take there relationship seriously! and i dont think it is fair to mistreat any of them. they are not going and doing mean things , swearing and cheating and lieing and if they want to be togather forever then i wish them the best!
i dont care that i dont know either of them i have seen enough pictures and enough of Lam fungs work on screen to have confindance in the kind of person he is . partly in the roles he plays on tv and movies (because those roles do make a differince because the actors choose them themself) but in the person behind the roles that shows it’s self in the choices they make and the things they do and even while there playing the roles in there tv and films. you always show yourself in some way in what ever you do and acting is not above this!!
and what i see is someone who is a good person. and a good person wouldnt sleep around or just pick someone as a toy.
and it would hurt me if he or anyone does that because it’s wrong to treat people like that!
i think he declaired his love because he means to stay with her forever. that is what i hope and that is what it looks like to me. also, maybe he wants everyone else to leave him alone! people use each other as toys . even you fans ! you treat him and her like garbage because him having a girlfriend who could one day be his wife gets in the way of your fantisies of him ! the crude mean heartless things i have heard on these boards makes me want to wish them the best even more, and makes me hope that they stay togather forever and they treat there relationship with the ottmost love and RESPECT!
What is so wrong with Raymond giving giving his girlfriend some presents. It is his choice, his love life, his money. You all say how he is an old uncle, an old man, and yet you want to run his life and make decisions for him. Oh, the anger, the jealousy and the hypocrisy.
I hear people whining about how often Karena is trying to clear hers and her family’s names. Yet it is alright for some to keep bashing away repeatedly at her. I too would want to clear my family’s name if the media keeps writing all these horrible trashy things about them without proof. Until the media has proof that her mother is training her to be a gold digger, those vulturous dogs need to put their tails between their legs and cease and desist. They also need to back off of those two.
I am quite sick and tired of the adolescent behaviour of these women who claim to be more than sixteen over a man they will never have a chance with. Come on silly females, wake up. I remember when this flakey idol’s love life status came to light, I treated a few females who tried to kill themselves because of the revelation. No matter who Raymond is with, this disgusting, surreal behaviour and comments will continue. WHY??????> Because these women are living their lives through these men, harbouring impossible fantasies that will never materialize. Then anger steps in when I is revealed that the idol has a girlfriend, or wife.
I always say, and will continue to say, the Asian culture needs to wake up and get real about a lot of things. What is wrong with a man being 14 years older than his girlfriend. Karena is of legal adult age. What is wrong with him splurging on her?, what is wrong with him declaring his love for her?. hat the blazes is wrong if he buys her a mansion in the hills, make that two???. lol. NOTHING. You guys sound like old fogeys pushing 100, and yet you can appear like silly, nonsensical ten year old, throwing love sick tantrums
The nauseating threats of death, aids, kidnapping, accident, painful suffering and on and on has reached an all time low. t is beyond sick and cruel. It is beyond childish. coming here and reading these comments you feel like you are in Topsy Turvy Land, with aliens who are brainless, malicious, and backward. There are even two commenters here who I thought better of. One of them even seems to be egging the main hater and the other two with minor roles on.
Raymond’s dad or his brother do not need to like arena. I hope that in time, if Karena truly loves Raymond like she says, his family will get to see that and cut the couple some slack. This whole situation is truly out of hand. The comments about gold digging, Raymond’s gift giving, Karena’s looks, whatever, have gotten out of hand and are sickening. The jealousy, the claws being out, the vicious gossip, the accusations. Do you women realize how catty, petty and pathetic this has become???
THAT GOD FOR A FEW SENSIBLE WOMEN HERE AND SOME DECENT MEN. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
Oh, about the comments at Weibo, who is to say it is not the same stupid, lawless monster who has a bottomless names list who is not spreading her vile bile at weibo. If it is many, then I say, the Asian shrinks can make a lot of money, cause these females are mentally sick.
Hi Trini,
That was very well said 🙂 there are just too many causes on here to fight, in one article, we’ve got so many different battles, gold digging, cyber warfare, gender impersonation, and of course the usual buffet spread of outright nasty death, illness and decapitating msgs, there’s so much more, family issues, social stereotype…too many…I’ve decided to pick some battles and hope others do the same.
I’ve tried Nicole’s suggestion to just not waste time on the troll, I tried that, worked for a few hours, but the very next day I came back, the troll had gone full throttle and things got much worse.
Sadly, I know this will not end.
I’ve decided to badger on until justice has been served.
HAT IS MY ESSAY, LOL,LOL,LOL. DEAR God, please do not ever let Joe Cheng or Mike He announce a wife” or a girlfriend”. because the b…d will endure this same Karena treatment.
I MEANT THAT IS MY ESSAY. I AM READY FOR THE BACKLASH. BUT, THIS HAD TO BE SAID.
Good essay, but doubt it’s effective. People always listen to what they want to hear or in this case read but the important facts doesn’t register in their brain. The haters just need an outlet to vent all their hate, anger and frustration for not being their idol’s chosen one or disillusionment for being so foolish to go ga-ga over an idol whom they think should not be so stupid as to fall for someone they deemed an unworthy partner.
Aimee and Moses get blessings but both of them get cursings. LOL
“The thing that you know to be true is the lie that will kill you.”
Thus, many people have already “eliminated” the “infamous couple” from the interview process. Who do they think they’re fooling with their “misleading” responses?
Why doesn’t Karena open up about her personal life (herself, parents, siblings, etc.) without mentioning LF? Hmmm… LOL 🙂
“She talks most who have the least to say.”
“The innocent have nothing to hide/fear.”