Charmaine Sheh’s Acting in “My Sister of Eternal Flower” Ignites Heated Crossfire
The premiere episode of My Sister of Eternal Flower <花花世界花家姐> was broadcast on Monday, May 16th in Hong Kong. Lead actors, Raymond Lam (林峯)and Charmaine Sheh (佘詩曼)have become the subject of lively discussions, especially Charmaine’s portrayal of a mentally challenged woman. Charmaine’s “Sister Fa” character drew comparisons to Roger Kwok’s (郭晉安) “Ah Wong” portrayal in Square Pegs (戆夫成龙). Netizens criticized Charmaine for copying Roger’s earlier performance. In addition, Raymond’s rich heir character pretended to be a bank robber. This scene resulted in an audience member filing a complaint with the Broadcasting Authority, claiming it posed as a negative influence on children.
Charmaine’ “Sister Fa” character only possessed the mental capacity of a 10- year-old girl, a role which Charmaine regarded as an acting challenge. Since the broadcast of the premiere episode of My Sister of Eternal Flower, netizens complained the Charmaine’s portrayal did not resemble a mentally challenged person and only copied Roger Kwok’s acting in Square Pegs. Despite netizen’s criticism, there was still significant interest in the series first episode, averaging 29 points and peaking at 30 points (approximately 1.9 million viewers).My Sister of Eternal Flower trumped the finale broadcast of Relics of An Emissary (洪武三十二), which average 28 points last week.
A Flame War Ignites Online
On Hong Kong Discussion Forum (www.discuss.com.hk) and Tvb.com, the topic of Charmaine’s performance in My Sister of Eternal Flower sparked a heated crossfire. On Tvb.com, Charmaine’s fans strongly supported their idol’s performance and used “Sister Fa’s” favorite catch phrase, “It’s not that simple.” Another set of netizens attacked Charmaine’s performance and said she was unconvincing as a mentally challenged woman. They also complained that she uttered her lines too slowly, pointing out that she would say one word every 1.5 seconds. Some netizens complained that Charmaine’s performance resembled a 2 to 3-year-old rather than a 10-year-old girl. Others pointing out that Charmaine’s eyes appeared too alert and that her gestures were exaggerated, noting a regression in Charmaine’s acting.
Raymond Lam did not escape the judgement of netizens. Some people said that Raymond’s “chok expression” made them want to vomit and criticized his acting. However, there were also positive comments which praised the comedic effects. Although Raymond was quite “chok,” some netizens said he was quite playful. At the same time, Charmaine was praised as a rare pretty, mentally-challenged girl.
Producer Strongly Supports Charmaine Sheh
The Producer of My Sister of Eternal Flower, Kwan Wing Chung (關永忠), was aware that the public regarded “Sister Fa” as the female version of “Ah Wong” during the filming of the series. Mr. Kwan also followed the comments after the series’ broadcast, and noted that the positive and negative comments were quite balanced. Mr. Kwan said that comparisons to “Ah Wong” were expected and discussed this with Charmaine, hoping she would walk out of the shadow of “Ah Wong.” Mr. Kwan noted that the characters’ background and plot development were different from “Ah Wong.”
Mr. Kwan also noted that Charmaine had adequately prepared for the role and accompanied the scriptwriter to a school for mentally challenged people during the research process. Mr. Kwan explained that Charmaine spoke her lines slowly because her reaction was slow. Although she possessed the mental capacity of a 10-year-old girl, [she was different] from the new generation of 10-year-old who displayed more adult behavior. Regarding the complaint over Raymond Lam posing a bank robber, Mr. Kwan noted that My Sister of Eternal Flower crossed over boundaries to display the “devilish” aspects of Raymond’s character for comedic effect.
Source: Mingpao
Jayne: Why did Kwan Wing Chung have to make another series about a mentally challenged individual? Couldn’t they film a series about a physically disabled character instead? No doubt Charmaine’s performance would draw comparison to Roger Kwok’s memorable performance. I’ll say that Tom Hanks still delivered the best performance in “Forrest Gump” as a mentally challenged person though.
Packaging Charmaine’s character as a Cinderella type character is ethically wrong, as many people pointed out before. Perhaps Charmaine’s character teaches Raymond how to love in a pure, innocent level, much like a child teaches adults about the simple joys of life. Hmm…wonder what kind of ending this will be.
I wonder producers/directions/stylists think that mentally challenged people all have bowl hair-cuts! It looks horrible on her… perhaps they were trying to give Charmaine a child-like/innocent look?
I give her a d+ performance for this series so far… she is definitely lacking in the acting department in this series. Her acting is SOO exaggerated… the only good part is that it is kinda funny to watch!
I think Myolie Wu did a fine job of acting as the mentally challenged sister of Gallen Lo in Golden Faith. Charmaine should watch and take notes! Myolie’s acting comes off so naturally… she isn’t trying too hard, but still comes off as child-like and very innocent.
Do you watch Taiwanese and Korean series? The ppl who have limited metal capacity in these series also have the mushroom hairdo.
I agree! I was wondering the same thing too, can’t they choose a different hairstyle for mentally challenged people in series apart from the bowl hair-cut? lol If I remember correctly, Myolie Wu did not have the bowl hair-cut in Golden Faith and she portrayed the character extremely well! I think the way Charmaine Sheh acts in the role is also very similar to Roger Kwok’s character as Ah Wong. I was hoping that the character would still be somewhat unique and act differently to Ah Wong despite both characters being mentally challenged.
yeah i would be much more interesting if the mentally challenged was really HOT looking instead of being totally unattractive like Char. here with her stupid bowl rice haircute hahaha
the worst charmaine and raymond acting that i ever seeing.. no execuse. bad producer. too upset to broadcast such a lousy series. not up to the standard….
If you want to see the worse, see Charmaine in Flying Fox and LF in MOL, lol.
OMG! I’m sorry, she’s horrible…this role really demonstrates her lack of acting skills. She’s trying to be cute and innocent but she was no where close. Btw, her character has more of a four year old iq rather than a ten year old, maybe the writer or the director don’t have children, believe me ten year olds today are a lot more smarter than her character. Bottom line, she’s not a good actor and her she’s not believable in this role!
so agree w/ you. lol
well lets see, supposedly she’s about 30 in the drama. then 10 years old would be like 20years ago… 10-year-olds then arent as know-it-all as 10-year-olds of late 😛 haha but i agree, she’s acting more like 5
I have a 10 yr old daughter and she certainly doesn’t act or talk like that. Unless the producer is trying to portrayed a highly mentally retarded person. Even so, they are still much more mature then the way she portrays it.
Oh, I think they stole the hairstyle from Ah Wong as well. Totally female version of him.
@bebe, With Charmaine’s deliberate hand movements and how slow she grasps idea makes me think that she’s less of a mentally challenged 10-year-old and more of just a retard. If Charmaine’s mentality never grew since she was ten, she still shouldn’t be talking in this manner. When we observe the children around us, do we ever see them move their hands around trying to grasps an idea?
As for the hideous hair style, I think they are trying to make her look like Ella in Down With Love, the hair style works on Ella (S.H.E) because Ella is cute but charmaine is not cute, she just doesn’t have the cute factor for to go with the hair style.
And don’t get me started on RL, am I the only person that find him trying to hard, even in his acting…trying to be cute?!?!
I have to say that Ray’s acting is kinda bad in this series, but it’s only his rich kid stuff trying to be a bad guy and stuff and trying to hard to be a like a playful guy. But I think his acting will get as his character grows…
i love the themesong, i like the english parts, the sound really good , i like how ray sings it and his not that bad english, cant wait to hear him sing this live.
Toby has improved in this series and I like the her modern, career woman look in here. While she’s not very pretty and comes across as quite tomboy, she just needs to get rid of her natural habit of dragging her lines in her speech. Loving her hairstyle in here as well. 😀
why are they so lame, what bad influence, it is comedy, it suppose to be evil and funny.
touche!
@Jayne
I think Forrest Gump is on a totally different level. That movie had a legitimate story to tell. This, and many other TVB series, just waffles aimlessly with a particular theme which then culminates into some uneventful politically correct ending. *vomit*
I don’t want to talk about ethically wrong, I just want to talk about performances. First of, very unfair to compare her to Roger’s performance because Roger is an excellent actor and Charmaine let’s be frank, isn’t. I watched the 1st episode and I was counting on how many seconds before she finishes her sentence. I find her performance not even subpar but seriously flawed and this has nothing to do with her well manicured fingers, etc. I would have wished her character to suffer from some defect like perhaps a crippling illness or a scar on her face, etc since it is not easy to play a 10 year old mentality unless you’re a good actress and she isn’t, not even at this stage. She can play innocent, she can play naive, but I find it incredibly annoying that her idea of innocence personified is to bite her lips every few seconds or pull on her arms. Too deliberate. And hate the way she talks. Sorry, but Charmaine isn’t such a capable actress. Moreover such a storyline is done to death. You want cinderella story? Follow Taiwanese idol dramas. They have perfectly good female characters who are dumb but naive and still manages to convince us why the cold hearted hero could fall for her.
As for Ray, I find he tried too hard. His expressions is just too much. But his character is supposed to be immature, more immature than our heroine.
As for Toby, she looks rather different, pretty but so darn serious. Like the whole world is about to crash on top of her head. She should you know, relax a bit. Acting is still problematic, I find her like she is acting, nothing natural, nothing relaxed. Why her? How she managed to get this role?
And why is Pierre Ngo with such a helmet hair?
I am sorry to say, I find the performances subpar or rather standard issues. Problem is the acting and largely the story which just doesn’t make sense.
Myolie Wu was excellent in Golden Faith. Like I said, sometimes you just gotta admit your capabilities or the lack of it. And I am totally creeped out by the idea of the story. And Myolie stopped improving which is a pity.
On a note about Forest Gump; I don’t think he has a child’s mentality but rather he has subpar IQ which is different if I am not mistaken.
And of course Tom Hanks is the best. How many oscars he won?
You should repost that on Charmaine’s fan site and bold the bits with ‘capable’ n it.
I haven’t watched much of this series and I don’t intend to. Both leads are not appealing for me. I’m glad you brought up the fact Charmaine isn’t a very good actress because I’ve seen her for so long and heard of her greatness from so far, that I’ve forgotten in fact she doesn’t really know how to act, still.
It depends on the role but I just feel this isn’t the one for her.
I’ve only ‘liked’ Charmaine in You’re Hired. I’ve never liked her in anything else. I have no idea why…
@SDS, Even The Drive of Life or Maiden’s Vow wasn’t good enough for you? 😉
Neither did it for me.
@Chriselle
I hated her character in The Drive of Life. But more because of the character and less her acting. Maiden’s Vow hmmm so so. The story didn’t really move me. It seemed a little, hmmmm, commercial or forced- to me.
I don’t like Charmaine moving her hands around either. She’s trying too hard. Prior to filming, she claimed that she and the producer visited mentally challenged children. I wonder if they really act this way.
Btw, since Charmaine is suppose to act as a girl with a 10-year-old mentality, I believe it’s inaccurate as many have said. 10-year-olds are smarter. I’ve even met 4 year olds who speaks better than this.
Anyone remember how old Roger’s mentally challenged character was suppose to be?
@Chriselle – Seven years old.
Well i suppose there may be a correction that she’s acting as a 10-year old from her generation. So if she’s actually 30 in the series, that would mean a 10-year old from 1990 who should be less smart or at least socially aware than the current generation of 10-year old brats. Or 7-year olds, or whatever.
LOL you could be right there are alot of variety among 10 year olds so maybe she in addition to being just 10 year is also an extremly stupid one? Just writing a general comment since i didn’t bother wasting my time watching it!
” You want cinderella story? Follow Taiwanese idol dramas. They have perfectly good female characters who are dumb but naive and still manages to convince us why the cold hearted hero could fall for her.”
That’s true. Maybe Charmaine should have watched ‘It Started With a Kiss’ and ‘They Kissed Again’ as part of her study. Xiang Qin seems pretty retarded to me, but, still adorable. 😛
Is it based on a manga?
But Charmaine is too old for that sort of role. I still feel a scar on the face would have been better.
Yes that’s a manga story. Xiang Qin admittedly is stupid, but adorable.
@ Funn
The producer want to make a female version of ‘Life Made Simple’. A scar would not serve the purpose.
Seriously you can put 80% of TVB’s modern series together by some tacky editing and it would just look like ‘A Kindred Spirit’ in hourly format. I suspect current writers are rewatching that old series for their ‘new’ material. Seriously… every bloody story prompt TVB still uses can be found in that 1000 episode beast. Not to mention most the actors in it were actually pretty good…
i love kindred spirit and virtues of harmony 🙂
Ya both are very solid TVB series. Its the types of shows they do best, especially when they choose actors for their fit with the role and not because they have a album coming out soon or because Virginia Lok waved her hair around.
@SDS, Lol, I never thought it that way. But you may be right. However, I enjoyed both AKS and VOH way more than this.
i love the song…but im kind of sick and tired of ray trying to look “chok”…just act damn it…what happen to those days when he was actually acting…i loved him in survivor’s law…and please i hope they make it realistic in the end of this series there is no way they can sell it to make ray end up with charmaine…just too unbelievable especially him being who he is in this series…tats just unrealistic period…
His going to be moved by her innocence, naivety, candid personality and kick-the-side-of-the-curb adorableness. What else? Is that realistic enough for you? Well guess what, it isn’t for me. But since we’re in the realm of fairy tales I guess its a-o-k.
Jayne, the ending will be either
a. charmaine knocks her head and wakes up with normal mental capacity (yeah right!)
or
b. no ending. He can’t be shown marrying her, nor can he be marrying someone else.
Well I think he will marry her. It’s Tv people, of course they are gonna get married!!
Wanna bet? It will be an open ending. If he marries her, I applaud TVB for taking a risk and I kick them for taking an unnecessary risk. The story will become even creepier than I could ever imagine.
i liked charmaine in “you’re hired” and i was looking forward to this series since it will be one of her last ones before she leaves tvb.
but i have to say, i’m very disappointed in her acting. i continue to watch it every night in hopes that she will get better as it continues.
i find that when she talks, she deliberately drags her sentences (mentally challenged people don’t *drag* their words.. they actually have a hard time conveying their words, therefore, they speak with a bit more difficulty than a usual person. charmaine failed to express that).
i noticed that she moves very slowly but smoothly… that is not natural. a mentally challenged person is not usually that smooth. and their eyes and actions are not as alert as her
If she’s mentally 10 then it’s quite sick for a grown man to fall in love with her, what’s the diff from dating an actual ten year old? Stupid and kinda twisted storyline.
Difference is her body isn’t a kid’s.
Ppl seem to have hard time with this series, lol.
Personally, I like it more than TVB’s current comedies. Last year I can’t even laugh when I watch CBML.
Talk about exaggeration, this one is like half of CBML in my opinion. It’s lame, from when the idea is out, I knew so I don’t find it’s a problem since it’s known to be lame. Actually it’s less lame than I expected.
The worst thing in this one is the voice of Charmaine. Why she has to make her voice that high pitch?
Her voice is generally high pitched
But in this one, it’s higher than usual
Earlier in her career her voice was high. Then she lowered it, so I suppose now higher again probably too many things to control at once just makes someone forgetful. You can’t coordinate so many things at once I suppose?
Unless it’s auto tuned. 🙂
Fox,
Of course you will think MSOEF is not as exaggeration as CBML because your Ray is in it. I feel the same for CBML. I thought CBML is so much better than MSOEF. Char and Ray already turn me off the tv with their exaggeration acting.
Lol, maybe you should read my comment on MOL with LF in it.
And a small note to you: I don’t hate Moses. I find ITEOB is better than CBML and the most annoying character in CBML, in my opinion, it’s Raymond Wong’s.
“In the Eye of the Beholder”, and “Can’t Buy Me Love” both series suck at comedy, story and acting. I still can not believe people like those series. I want my 52 hours of watch these crap tv series back.
Have not watch ITEOTB, but, I enjoy watching CBML. The clapping was a bit annoying, but, on the whole I find the series hilarious. Moses’s antics in CBML need some getting use to. But, after that he’s ok. The cast have great rapport with one another.
I think MSOEF is so much better than CBML. CBML can’t make me laugh at all and all the jokes are horrible.
MSOEF is not a great series because of Charmaine’s exaggeration
@Fox, Omg, I have to agree with you about CBML. Lol, you can’t laugh? I don’t think the comedy deserved any of the praise/ratings it received, not that I remember what people had to say about it. Charmaine was quite funny at times, but Moses gag lines were ridiculous. I could only stare at him and not understand why it was funny. The family was very loud too and they were more annoying than funny.
Even though I’m not enjoying Sister Fa as much, the script did make me laugh. I think I’ll have to give credit more to the scriptwriter than to the actors whose portraying their roles. While the script as a whole might not be good, but it at least has some funny lines here and there. Much better than YSSS.
Btw, I also liked In the Eye of the Beholder with Moses. He had amazing chemistry with Johnson. 😀
I can’t stand the “clap clap” parts of the family. Why they have to clap clap all the time?
The most funny in CBML I gave credit to Lee Kwok Lan and Mary Hon. They are a cute couple.
ITEOB is quite lame in some certain parts but overall it’s ok. I like Johnson Lee.
In the Eye of the Beholder is such a strange series.
In ITEOB, Ha Yu’s fake laugh gives me a lot of “huh” times.
what criticzed for char role, i dont think all of this has a smart iq too, i think she already did a way to good job too, it just drama, does you have it too seriously, are they thinking acting retarded role is easy.
We are criticizing because we’ve seen people that has done similar roles better than her.
More to the point we are criticising because she is awful, nothing to do with what others can do.
first of all char isnt even mentally challenged in real life, so obviously she wont perform like an actual person with such abilities, like what do you expect from a drama.
we expect that from charmaine because she’s supposedly one of the top in tvb. and sadly, many others have performed way better than her in that type of role (as addy had previously mentioned already)
she is not mentally challenged, but that doesn’t mean she can be excused for her lack of skills to act like a true mentally challenged person.
when i was watching her, i couldn’t convince myself to believe that she is “flower sister” and is mentally challenged. i keep thinking, “she is charmaine trying to act too hard right now….”
That’s why it’s call acting. An actor’s job is to make the audience believe in the character they are portraying, they get pay for what they do, so at least do it well.
So why kissing has to be real? So why crying has to be real? So why stripping has to be real? There is always an element of truth in all performances. That what makes a good actor and differentiates between the awful and the brilliant. I don’t expect much from the story but I expect something close to that role she or he is supposed to portray.
havent they heard that people who are mentally challenged are smart in some ways, like seriously this is a comedy drama, we supposed to joke around and bring up laughter.
Personally, though Charmaine’s role is similar to Roger Kwok previous role, I still find her cute in here.
I don’t have so much expectations and feel the performances delievered by both is good enough since it fulfills the comedic purpose, make me laugh. 🙂
yea. i guess we’re picking at things that aren’t really there. After all, its a comedy-drama and its post-2000 TVB-made so that word ‘expectations’ shouldn’t really be used at all.
Let us all just solemnly clasp our hands together, make some vows, and watch the rest of it as if we were watching Can’t Buy Me Love meets Square Pegs.
Correction: ‘Let YOU all…’ not ‘us all’ cause I am not watching this.
Someone run a knife through my kidneys cause YSSS is pulling a Grace Under Fire on me too.
Must have standards. I find myself feeling rather sheepish for watching In The Eye of The Beholder but that is really because I was wondering how long can the story stretch and Fala is cute. But seriously why say role similar to Roger’s since I am sure all mentally challenged people are kinda similar in description? My point is no need to compare. Roger is heads above Charmaine in terms of acting abilities. I just find her performance painful to watch.
I agree. Charmaine’s performance in this series is painful and below Roger’s performance. If you want to resemble something, at least make a better job than the original, but not in Charmaine’s case
Then again Roger was the first one to do something like that, and it’s kinda hard to be number two, but what’s wrong with Cinderella? It’s TVB, let them be, it’s Tv, nothing is ever that realistic…But I have to agree Roger’s acting skills are way beyond Charmaine’s.
You don’t see anything wrong with the cinderella theme? I think the ending will justify the entire storyline, it won’t be extreme but it is still creepy.
It is really funny is my opinion, at parts…sometimes…
and ray a very obedient artis in tvb, what they give him to do, he will just do, even not so good.
Yes, and that thing is called a script.
the bank robbery is bad influence, but who told them to put children infront of the tv, like havent they seen the warning at the beginning of every episode of a drama.
Where got warning in front of every program in TVB? Never seen it!
In TVBI DVD will have one, about the copyright.
It isn’t a warning. Just a 3 sec clip before the series starts, it says this show requires parental guidance.
It is shown on HK TV but not available in what we see cos the people recording it do not record that part.
@jim, No one told them to put the kids in front of the TV, but if this series is airing during dinner time for HK citizens, then they’ll be at the dinner table.
And what warning at the beginning of every episode? You must be watching a special edition that we’re not seeing.
Has anyone see the things that american TV show’s do, can’t TVb be a little not realistic? Why does there have to be everything good and perfect? The bank robbery scene was funny, what’s wrong witht that?
That guy who sent complaint letter just has nothing better to do. Sister Fah is actually doing quite fine with only one complain letter. Other series got more. Relics even got complaint letter saying its chinese title sound too much like triad group name.
I just read a real news; 9 year old got pregnant and gave birth. So I suppose in the end this story is possible.
The smallest mom in the world is 6 years old. A Russia girl.
I thought 5 years old, peruvian girl?
ugh it’ so gross to think that so many of these girls were raped.
Charmaine’s weak acting got exposed now. This just shows that being a TOP TVB actress doesn’t mean you’re a good actress.
lol TVB awards are just bargaining prizes everyone should know that so ofcourse being a TVB award winner don’t mean much at all. Never liked her acting and i find it very unbelievable that she is considered the top fadan. Never considered her as one even though TVB was promoting her like crazy.
There should be a link between being the most famous and being the best but sometimes there isn’t. Being most talented and being most famous can be mutually exclusive. But of course you must have some talent to become most famous and some fame to become most talented.
no true, since it’s hard to quantify talent you can be the most talented but people thinks otherwise. Just like i think Char. acting might at most be average there are still people that consider her acting to be superb. She’s gone anyway…
True Dat!
Ironically this is also showing in Moses Chan in YSSS. Being a top actor or Best Actor winner doesn’t mean someone is a good actor.
Well said.
A real Moses’s hater, never fail to bash Moses in your post even when the topic has nothing to do with him. Good job!!
I love Moses, but I have to admit that he’s only good in doing certain roles. I never want to see him doing stuff like CBML and YSSS again, honestly.
Say what you want but even Moses fans are acknoledging that Moses is doing a sub par job in YSSS 😛
My comment above is for Quennie
You fail to understand what I mean. I mean this thread has nothing to do with Moses and not the place to comment he is good or not.
@Quennie
You must be new to Jaynestars. People here sometimes comment on something indirectly connected to the topic.
I did say above that Moses case is ironic to Charmaine’s case now
Ever since “Heart of Greed II – Moonlight Resonance” that he won a TVB award. His series are unwatchable!
YSNS was a little funny in the beginning but it’s starting to get a little boring. LOL CBML and especially “the flying superwoman” with Ada was the worst by far with Moses! The thing i don’t understand is why he still wants to by with Miss Ho when Miss Cool is 10 times better!
Because Miss Ho is the lead and Miss Koo is the supporting?
yeah i know still it’s strange. sure he liked Miss Ho first however seeing how Miss Cool treats him i really don’t understand how he still don’t have any romantic feelings for her. It’s not like she is ugly or retarded LOL. hope they will end together in the end when i realize he really loves her haha
I’m just assuming. I don’t watch this series, except few cut parts of Ron and Linda. I don’t like to watch TY now.
i really enjoy this drama, char look adorable, and i just thinking that the complaints are from char haters.
Are you kidding me? She’s horrible in this role, period! Reminds me of her lack of acting skills in snow mountain flying fox, kinda like watch a cat scratching a chalkboard lol.
You must love Charmaine too much to notice how horrible she is
Agree, she did a fantastic job
I gotta ask… what does “chok” mean ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-CfO16o6T0
Wow ! Thanks so much ! The guy in the video is awesome ! I’m going to watch all his videos and learn more hk slangs ! Nobody uses those terms here so I have a lot of catching up to do !
I think that the mad leads are actually a bit overacting, but for the kind of series it is, the actors overacting is good. For the case of Ray he’s overacting kinda goes with his character, whereas Charmaine’s acting, is WAYY OVEREXAGERATED!!!! She talks to slow, and she acts to kiddy and stuff, I mean people who are like autistic like that still don’t talk like there are a baby.
I have a problem with Charmaine’s voice too. Too slow and exaggerated! She acts like a toddler instead of a 10 year old! Her acting is irritating!
I don’t get why people are criticizing Raymond. I agree with you that Raymond’s overacting is good.
This series was meant to be the female version of Ah Wong; It is unfair to compare Charmaine to Roger, each has their pros & cons.
I don’t find Raymond bank robbery scene to be much deserves complaints, like which rich person is stupid enough to pull something like that nor I think kids will copy him (m/b teens lol).
Sometimes Hong Kong viewer makes me question their: taste & intelligence, just makes me angry sometimes.
I wonder would their be a cross-over series which stars Charmaine & Roger, both their mental disability characters?
lol…
it will be interesting!!!
makes me laugh when i read these complains… its just funny how ppl really go & complain! geez ppl its entertainment here…
Yeah, I don’t get why all those netizens on TVB.com has to find a complaint for every drama. Their complaints just seem to be rude, as if they’re just trying hard to say something when they really can’t think of any. Sure, not everyone likes every drama, but there’s no need for them to make up stupid complaints. People should be grateful towards TVB for providing entertainment. I doubt those netizens would be happy with no dramas to watch.
I meant their complaints seem to be “lame” instead of rude.
@sure-lee, Lol, what are some of these lame complaints that they post?
Viewers seriously pay attention to every little detail nowadays. Is there actually a drama no one complains about? Don’t think so…
If you go to the forum on tvb.com, oh god, you’ll see what I’m talking about.
tray, chok is mean good looking, make people interesting special in the eye the person.
I thought chok mean pretentious, a poser?
Yeah, a chok look means someone is exaggerating a certain expression so much it causes the beholder to choke.
Someone made a video describing the definition of chok: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-CfO16o6T0
Honestly, Raymond’s performance in this series here really make me feel like throwing out everytime when I see Ray tries to portray his so called “chok” looks which I don’t think he’s that “chok” at all compare to many more “chok” er actors. Ray’s chokness is thanks to his multiple plastic surgeries which generally amended his feature throughout all these years.
veejay, i know your one of ray haters, anyway, i do like him because of his nose or chin so whether he did it or not doesnt bother me too, its his face, i like him because of his attitude and talents, and so many handsome actors, did each of them had a face job, the hongkong media is so immature, and the ones who comments on nonsensical.
Well, sorry you don’t know me well then.. I’m only here for a few times and I hardly post anything on Jayne’s blog. Only a few articles which captured my attention and you may find my posting there. So how can you bluntly confirmed that I’m one of those “ray-hater”? when I have the right to state my opinion? I just feel like Ray is fake by his looks but maybe he got talent in singing…
from my point of view, ray is “spoiled” rich guy who has been promoted heavily by TVB which i really find him to be overrated. Probably because of how the media made him to be.
Lol, re-read your previous post above and it’s full of hatred so can’t blame why his fans think of you as a hater.
Spoiled? I rmb you said that he has good boy look but ruined because of the scandal with PSS. Now you think he is a spoiled one? Oops.
Despite coming from a wealthy family, Raymond’s background never bothered me and he didn’t come across as the spoiled type. This has to due with the fact that he is quite hardworking. Maybe even the younger version of Andy Lau?
His schedule is always packed and he tries to deliver good performances. Most importantly, because of his family business and wealthy status, he didn’t have to put up with TVB’s long hours, low pay, and the HK media’s mean judgments about his taste in women if he didn’t want to. I do believe that Raymond chose this career path because he has a passion for it.
However, I admit that ever since Heart of Greed, my like for Raymond went downhill. Ironically, TVB also began going downhill after 2006. My disinterest in Raymond’s series is due to the characters he plays more than his acting.
Sure he must have passion for acting or really suck at business then acting will be a easy way for time to make money since he does has the right connection.
@exoidus, Though I don’t know him personally and can’t confirm that he sucks at business, he can always learn and improve in the field just like he does with his acting. No?
Dunno if you have watched Stolen Love or not but in this movie, he drew some construction drawings. His drawing – commented by one of my friend who work for a construction company – is quite good.
Since his family business is construction design and drawing, his good skill with drawing will help a lot.
@Chriselle,
yeah but acting is not the same as real life. he can’t play around if he is a completely moron when he comes to business. he can lose his familiy fortune easily. well you see the trend that rich children entering the entertainment industry just because they lack any real talent, sucked at school and want PR(i.e paris hilton)
@Chriselle
I see Raymond as Andy Lau successor too. Andy has tremendous success in singing, acting and fanbase. What Raymond has now is making his way to Andy’s success.
exoidus, his dad died?
@exoidus, Seriously, a complete moron?? What makes you think that?
It’s true that the sons and daughters of many wealthy businessmen enter the entertainment industry, but also many that don’t. Not sure if Paris Hilton is the best example to compare to Raymond since Raymond does try hard at his work while many claim that Paris does not take advantage of the opportunities that comes to her and that her singing is horrible.
Perhaps it’s due to the different genders, but Paris does seem spoiled and more superficial even though I don’t dislike/hate her. I recall in one of her interviews that she would not wear an outfit twice. I do consider that quite spoiled and not very necessary, but its understandable that if she have the money, she can spend it anyway she wants. It’s just not frugal and practical.
Hmm… sons of rich businessmen entering the showbiz reminds me of Joel Chan. Although his family is only semi-rich, he comes to mind when someone is merely entering the industry for the fun of it. However, it can also because Raymond’s family is more wealthy and has the money and resources to promote him while Joel’s doesn’t. And therefore, we have what we have: Raymond is more popular than Joel.
@Fox
I said he has a good boy “image” is because that’s how TVB projected him to be… That’s the whole idea of TVB trying to sell him out hard to the public as a good and clean actor/singer.
I never said Ray is such a perfect and good boy to “me”. Please don’t get my view wrong here now. I was just saying Ray tends to show public that he has a clean and a good boy image…but to me, Ray is a normal guy with exeggerating acting skill and wrongly promoted heavily by TVB.
I know my word would hurt alot of Ray’s fans out there and i can also say you’re one of them since you protected Ray so much whenever people bashes him but I don’t care, since everyone have their right to state their opinion.
Overall, please don’t mix up with my views…and don’t think you can read everyone’s minds by just reading their text.. some might have different opinion on someone by just 1 day after some “incident” happened.
The tone in your first post, check out it. You can see that Chriselle – a non fan of him also see the problem.
Wrongly heavily promoted by TVB? Lol, how wrong? If he can earn money for TVB, I don’t find it’s anything wrong. Investing in a valuable asset is never wrong, if you look in business aspect.
You don’t hurt me, even a little not. I’m just showing you the fact that accept you are a hater if you are one. Why need to say “No I’m not a hater but blah blah blah bad about blah blah blah”? It won’t make your opinion any objective.
I provide opinions to watever I think differently to ppl posted before me. It can be called as protection, or not. Like you said, it’s my right to state opinion.
Chriselle, how the family used money to promote Joel 3C? And LF, also? Have you ever seen they buy something for them? As far as I knew, both Joel 3C and LF have independent assets long time ago and they live on their money, not the money of their families. They all also pay for their siblings’ study.
And as you provided, you don’t have impression with Joel 3C, but that don’t make him play around in the industry. If he only wants to play around, he quit years ago. But he still works there. It’s his passionate.
The below part is for a lot of ppl, not to Chriselle:
Everyone wanna be rich, but after being rich, they’ll be criticize by the poorer. Excuse me, if you have abilities, be richer than them other than criticize why they are rich. It’s just the voice of losers.
It isn’t wrong to an actress to get married with a rich guy. It isn’t wrong neither to a person who come from rich family to enter entertainment industry. Look at what they can do and criticize their work, better than criticize their background. They can’t choose their parents as well as can’t tell their parents that being poor or bankrupt for them before they enter the industry.
Don’t be jealous with the rich ones.
@Fox, You must have mistaken my point. I didn’t say Joel’s family used money to promote him. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if Raymond’s family connections with TVB have an influence in the fame he has today. I believe that his family’s status AND his hard work has put him to where he is today. If people have money, they can use that to promote themselves.
Also, I doubt Raymond sucks at business. Maybe he’s not as passionate about the field. There were news that he would return to help his family business once he turns 30. However, his father no longer requires this because he acknowledges Raymond’s success in the industry.
“It won’t make your opinion any objective.”
I’m glad you realize that opinions are always subjective. Veejay has her right to express what she wants and I didn’t think she came off as a Raymond hater. Some people like him, some people don’t.
@ Chriselle: Maybe I misunderstand your point.
However, you also misuderstand mine. I told Veejay to admit she/he is a hater other than keep saying “why you bluntly confirmed that I’m one of those ray-hater” (her/his quote).
I said times before that opinion is tent to be subjective. I don’t find it’s wrong or else for anyone to hate LF. It’s their right. But if hate, say hate. Don’t need to say: “No I don’t hate but blah blah” and provide full of hatred but then say “it isn’t hatred”.
And I don’t find artists from poor/normal families any better than artists from rich families. They can’t become popular because of the families because how can buy that much fans? Can buy 100 or even 1000 fans, but 10000 or 100000? And buy a fan in a short moment (one or few functions), how to buy fans in long time (10-15 years)?
After eps 4, I think both of Charmaine and Catherine dun successful in this role. The scene in the restaurant and after that, their actions and acting is very forced. In eps 1 Charmaine does quite good, but dunno why after that, her acting seems unstable.
And in eps 4, I think if LF and Charmaine switch the role, maybe they’ll be more successful.
The part where they were singing whilst walking down the stairs after the restaurant caused me some goose bumps though.
However I feel Charmaine did a better job that her “retarded” friend.
It amuses me how people criticize Charmaine’s acting, but no one pays attention or compare Catherine Chau’s performance to that of another artist.
Because Catherine, criticize her? Who care? Criticize Charmaine will have responses.
Who is Catherine Chau?
@Kidd, She’s the other mentally challenged girl in the series. Charmaine’s friend.
veejay, yes i admit i dont know you well, then i sorry for say that, but your comment its full of hatred, and i know you also doesnt know ray so well, but its ok, to all his fans, ray still has the best chok look in private life, and i like to see at ray eyes, its like entering alice and wonderland, no one has.
LOL @ looking into ray’s eyes is like entering Alicen and wonderland…just make me laugh so hard here. Sorry, i just find your sentence a bit amusing only.
Oh well, you have the right to say Ray is “chok” since you like him but to me, only men that can intriguied me is Takeshi Kaneshiro, probably men type like him gives me some manly feeling.. Ray is just chinese version of Michael jackson but I prefer Jacko more since he was really talented and a great dancer…
And what can Ray do? probably showing off his so called “chok” looks by blinking his fake eyelashes or fake double eye lids to his fangirls…. LOL
You are now becoming so funny. Fake eyelashes or fake double eye lids? Prove it if you can.
And be respect to Jacko.
LOL, do you think I “need” to prove it to you online on Ray’s plastic looks? You’re funnier if you think I’ll prove anything online when I was merely stating my opinion on Ray’s looks online.
I won’t stop you for treating Ray as your prince charming with no flawless 🙂 You have the right to keep your day dream 🙂
I knew you will say so =)).
You say you merely stating your opinions? Oh look, just in this topic you stated about him (dun count the reply to others) 4 times. Lol, you dun post much but most the time, I can rmb it’s about him. It’s merely to you?
Haha, day dream. Yes, I’ve just taken a nap and have one.
Raymond Lam really does need plastic surgery, seriously!
Here goes the Charmaine and Raymond hater!!
Gosh u people are sooo hateful!!If u don’t like it don’t watch it then.Why would u waste ur time watching something u don’t like.MAKE NO Sense watching something u don’t like and start bashing and hating like crazy.If u don’t like it then fine but there are fans and people out there enjoy watching
this seris.U guys are just haters no offence .I enjoy watching this seris and I know it really hard for Charmaine to act in this seris cause acting like a mentally person when u are not .But I also know that this seris will get better.If u guys complain soo
much then why don’t u try act like a mentally person .I don’t think u guys can do better then Charmaine.
My mom teach me that when u don’t have something nice to say to someone don’t say it.
much
LOL kinda agree all PR is good PR. People watch it so they can critise it. I personally didn’t bother watching this. Sure it’s hard to act like a retarded person that’s how we can truly distinguish a quality actor from the average ones. Dustin Hoffman provided probably the best performance in Rain man of such an charachter. Like i said haven’t watch this but Char. is prolly not talented enough to act such a role. Playing an ordinary person is easy most people can do it with a little exercise!
Exoidus,
Dustin Hoffman in “Rain Main” was an autistic mathematical genius, more similiar in line with Bosco Wong’s character in “Dicey Business.” Yes Dustin Hoffman is a great actor.
I like Tom Hanks’ Forrest Gump most among characters with low mental capacity. When faced with conflict, you can see Tom Hanks looking confused, thinking hard to the best of his ability, yet uttering lame responses. He conveyed the mental challenges he had and his emotional scenes, love for mother and Jenny were very apparent. He was slow, but he had a big heart. The best part was when he ran cross-country and spouted a beard.
Since Forrest Gump, ATV produced the “Legend of Fat Cat” series with Ken Cheng Tak Si, followed by TVB’s Roger Kwok’s “Ah Wong” and now Charmaine’s “Sister Fa.” The characters’ innocence and simplistic outlook in life is like a child’s and reminds us of the simple joys in life. However “Legend of Fat Cat” and “Ah Wong” were unrealistic because everyone seemed so kind and tolerant towards people with low IQ, where the parents are so protective and willing to sacrifice everything for them. In reality, there is a lot of prejudice against such individuals in society, because they are considered unable to provide for family, lack good jobs, and contribute to society.
Special education for children with learning disabilities is a controversial topic in the USA. Parents of the kids with special needs advocate for equality in education, however the costs of doing so is very expensive.
@jayne,
Agree Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump was probably on of the best inspirational movies i have seen. My favorite part was also the running part lol.
Ken Cheng is funny playing an retarded person actully he plays it quite well. Yeah it’s true most people aren’t nice to retarded people. I myself might have some prejudice as well even though im trying not to.
U.S can’t cannot afford going these kinds of things they are more interesting in going to war against arabic countries. And with all the debt they own? now they are trying to devaluate their currency as well.
” However “Legend of Fat Cat” and “Ah Wong” were unrealistic because everyone seemed so kind and tolerant towards people with low IQ, where the parents are so protective and willing to sacrifice everything for them. ”
I like to believe in kindness and that it exists. I feel the shows are realistic in the sense it show the goodness within Ah Wong and and Fat Cat influenced others to see good in themselves. Not everybody is ready to mock, insult or be mean. Maybe not kind, but I feel there is tolerance even if plenty of stares. Sometimes stares is more of curiosity than looking down at people. I also believe if the parents are strong, they will grow up happy, sheltered and surprisingly more well adjusted than us paper chasers so to speak. Credit to the parents who never treated their child as abnormal eventhough we know if put into ordinary schools, they will lose out in the education pace.
I understand some parents’ need to show that their child is no different, they’re normal and should be treated normally but I also understand school budget is limited; science, maths, arts, and now special needs students in every sense, where have they got enough to divide? But if the teachers are willing, and parents are willing, as in teachers with their time and patience and parents with money, then I believe it could work.
You know in America some years back they removed grants for arts in school, correct? Still the same? In Asia or rather in Malaysia or at least those I know find it funny; for us if our children wants to learn piano or ballet, or music they have to go outside classes to learn. We never take it for granted or that expected schools to provide all that. I think that’s perhaps the difference between Western and Asian thinking? Asians are more towards achieving everything by oneself whilst westerners expects, even deems it their right for certain things??
@ Jayne
Despite borrowing the title of ‘Forest Gump’ and using its poster, ATV’s ‘Forest Cat’ is actually based on a movie starring Chow Yun Fat, Olivia Cheng and Kent Cheng called ‘Why Me?’. The character Fat Cat first appeared in this movie and the mother really is very protective of him. Very touching movie.
Check out the review of ‘Why Me?’ here.
http://www.sogoodreviews.com/reviews/whyme.htm
I watch this movie first before watching Forest Cat and remember comparing Paw He Cheng to Chiao Chiao and preferring (both play the mother of Fat Cat) the latter. Chiao Chiao did a wonderful job as the mother of Fat Cat.
Kidd,
Thanks for the link to the Why Me? movie. Since the movie was partially written by Kent Cheng, perhaps he was also responsible for the ATV adaptation. I believe Kong Mei Yee played the role of a social worker in the series, similar to Olivia Cheng’s role. The movie seems to be a more grim depiction than the televised version though, where many people were considerate of Fat Cat, who fell in love and got married in the TV series.
I think the success of Forrest Gump also prompted Kent Cheng to consider reprising his role as Fat Cat in the ATV series, which was well received thanks to his convincing performance.
@ Funn
” In Asia or rather in Malaysia or at least those I know find it funny; for us if our children wants to learn piano or ballet, or music they have to go outside classes to learn. “
That’s because in Asian society, people only care about ‘useful’ skills. Skills that can get you a good stable job and earn you more money. Skills that provide more skilled workers for the development of the country. So, Asian society encourage the studying of science, medicine, engineering, economic, business, law. Art is useless. Asians art study also don’t encourage creativity. Instead the stifle it. You have to draw like the standard way, do things the standard way.
“You know in America some years back they removed grants for arts in school, correct? Still the same?”
It seems like American government also thinks so now. If not, why on remove grants for arts subject?
@Kidd @Funn
To make the new generation of American kids more competitive in the world economy, the educational curriculum has emphasized the study of reading, math and science more. Schools are held accountable to more rigorous student performance, in which funding of school budgets is based on student performance in standardized tests in reading, math, and science. There is still funding of the arts, but it is diminishing in importance. Most schools would rather focus on spending more instructional time on the “core” subjects in which statewide-testing was administered. Because funding is tied so strictly to students’ test results, the teachers are criticized for teaching too much to the test and not enough creativity and critical thinking skills.
I suppose your government wants the kids to know how to count more than how to sing.
Same like Malaysia and something which I personally don’t oppose. Whatever school can’t provide, I think as parents you send them to get that extra skills elsewhere. I understand the school’s predicament. Kids nowadays can’t read/count properly and I think history itself is diminishing since not many know history and in our country where history is taught as in pick and choose and not wholesale, we are the more poorer.
For us critical thinking is during university time! I know, kinda late. But you know for my country perhaps even our teachers are not equipped to promote critical thinking since they themselves do not have that sort of knowledge. Our teachers are nowadays i was told encouraged to obtain a degree and even primary schools have degree holding teachers, secondary will soon have masters degree holder and I remember asking what about university then? PHds? And the answer was yes and I was thinking PHD holders as tutors so what about professors? Ah yes, MDH (Mega Degree Holder)? I find it rather stupid actually. Degree is important but to our teachers that’s just a piece of paper in the end. We need teachers, government can’t fail those who don’t make it. What we do need is enthusiastic individuals who WANTS to be a teacher and not those who thinks of this as an unbreakable bowl sort of job. I have a friend who is a teacher, I understand her frustration at overeager meddlesome parents who thinks teachers are the real disciplinarian as opposed to parents themselves, those 60 workbooks to mark for each classes and keeping up with the syllabus as opposed to actually teaching so that students can learn something. She did say they may look like they have a lot of holidays but in the end they had to work even during school holidays, loads of activities. What more can I say? I understand our teachers’ predicament but I also feel for our students, being taught by adults who could hardly teach themselves. Let’s not even talk critical thinking or creativity. Those can’t be learned from schools anymore unless there is a teacher willing to do more than already piled on their tables and again it is about capabilities.
Like Charmaine Sheh analogy; she is at best a mediocre actress capable of doing well in usual characters but when given a really hard one, she falters spectacularly. Sometimes you just don’t have what it takes. Our teachers are mostly that. So how can we expect our children to excel beyond studies? Even excelling in studies is due more to the student’s own initiative. I don’t want to criticise our teachers, my friend is dedicated and she is a smart woman but most who teaches don’t really qualify to teach. Imagine our young ones’ mind shaped by those who isn’t qualified. That’s why parents and surroundings are important. Sometimes what makes or breaks a kid is the surroundings. School is nowadays just one of the factors.
Funn,
This is in response to our education discussion thread, which I didn’t have time to respond to during the weekend. Thanks for your thoughtful input as always…seems like you have an opinion on every subject–a compliment btw, you would make a great person to chat with at a party!
Early childhood learning habits are very important as it sets a precedent to encourage curiosity, creativity, and critical thinking skills. For young kindergarten kids (5 year olds), schools are often pressured to meet guidelines of teaching the children to read, count and write. Subjects which stimulate creative thinking such as science, music, and history are not introduced until usually third grade. It is a pity because kids are like a sponge and can absorb so much more if given the exposure. Many schools curriculums and teaching styles are structured too rigidly to encourage creative thought. In addition, the pace of the teacher’s instruction is usually determined by the slower students’ ability to absorb the subject.
In primary school, I believe schools may be providing the minimumal learning tools for young children, where they are taught how to do basic math, reading, and science. Parents must step in not only to assist with homework to make sure the day’s lessons are well understood, but to provide any supplemental learning lessons outside the school to enhance the learning process. Employ the Socratic method and encourage more thinking and curiosity, which teachers usually do not have time for in a crowded classroom.
For well-educated parents, there is no excuse but to be more involved with their kids’ own education. Learning should be supplemented and reinforced at home. If the kid is ready to learn more which is not offered in a regular classroom setting, parents should step in to fill that void.
Grades on tests and examinations, which require good memory skills and average understand of a topic, is but a small benchmark in the measure of intelligence. I think this is still the minimal measurement, a tool that schools are bound by due to budget tied to student performance. Parents should not only emphasize grades, but encourage learning lead by curiosity.
For young children, too much television is an evil. It makes the mind too complacent.
Most teachers are well qualified academically, with the requisite degrees. However, some teachers do not teach well in the classroom, do not explain concepts well, and often have a tendency to quash more curious-minded students. Institutions granting soon-to-be-teachers degrees should allow more opportunities to practice teaching in a classroom, pairing up with seasoned mentors (highly effective teachers). Similar to a medical student putting in intensive hours as a hospital resident, students interested in teaching should be required to undergo a more rigorous training.
I was publicly educated through high school until I entered a private university. I got good grades through high school because of my studying efforts. However, independent and creative thinking was never required. In college, you are forced to independently study and understand. I remember the exams were tedious and difficult, but some of the university lectures involved the professors’ straight reading of notes and were not very interactive. Even in well-compensated professor positions, staff is often hired for their academic and sometimes professional experience, rather than their effectiveness in teaching.
Dear Jayne, thanks for the compliment. I would be very quiet in person unless I am amongst close friends! Never quite that confrontational in person! And if without such an unmoderated place, how can any opinion, good or bad, biased or justified ever flourish? So my thanks to you!
And I see I have been dethroned and from the way it goes, I am about to dethrone myself as on Funn dethroning Funn Lim!
Because we are critics, we either like it or hate it. We dont provide solutions to TVB unless TVB hire us and we charged them with commission to fix their problem, massive problem!
I think that Charmaine’s character doesn’t have that mentally challenged “look” in her eyes. As mentioned in the article, I totally agree with whoever said that her eyes appeared to be too alert at times. Other than that, it’s a good try. Her character succeeded in showing off her sweet and innocent personality. On the other hand, I really like Raymond’s character in this series. Maybe it’s because it’s the first time I remember seeing him as someone who’s not a “goodie boy” 管家仔. His role this time is more rebel-type, and I think he’s better off like this. All in all, I can remember a lot of laughing while watching this 🙂
I disagree about Charmaine because she’s trying too hard to act and her character is unlikeable. Myolie did so much better and more likeable than her in Golden Faith. It says something when a newbie Myolie did so much better than Charmaine who’s TVB’s big sister
I also really like Raymond’s character. The rebel-type role is cute and funny. I don’t recall Raymond being funny throughout all this years. It’s new for him.
You know, at first I never even planned on watching this series. Now I decided to continue on just because of Raymond Lam’s character.
@sure-lee
I know how you feel. While Charmaine’s acting is irritating, Raymond’s character is fresh and lively and brithen up the series!
Finally watch the whole episode 1. I change my mind a bit.
Earlier I said Charmaine was not bad. But, now I see both Charmaine’s and Raymond’s acting are very deliberate. Charmaine does not look like a mentally challenged person. She looks like someone who deliberately act like a mentally challenged person. It seems unnatural. This is very different from Roger’s portrayal whose action comes more naturally. Raymond also has this problem. He seems like good boy trying very hard to act cheeky and naughty and come off unnatural as well. Both are unbelievable in their roles. Hope they both improved in subsequent episodes.
The best actor in episode 1 is Jazz Lam. I notice that he become plumper or more muscular. He used to he very thin. But, I find his acting natural.
The writing was better than I earlier thought (because I expected the worst). Not as outrageous and silly as I earlier expected. I like the part where Sister Fa thought her brother is really going to die when he said he will die if her didn’t get the ticket back. But, still, I find the series boring overall. I enjoy CBML better.
Jazz Lam has been seriously typecast. Kinda bored with his obligatory rough brother sort of role. But lovable.
I have no problem with the alertness of her eyes. There can be precocious mentally challenged people. But my problem is with her as you say deliberateness; her lips, her eyes, her hands, everything. Like you said, she is acting like she is acting.
Which is to say has always been Charmaine’s problem. She has always been an actress acting in a role. She was rarely natural, just that no one wants to admit that.
The writing is boring and typical. And bad. Where got parents let their own daughter with a bit of a problem walk away on their own? That part where she thought he will die without the ticket was supposed to highlight her innocence, her naiveness, her goodness and all I can see is purely bad acting.
And I am rather disappointed everybody loves her. I would have wished for at least the more successful sister to be resentful of Sister Fa, for being held back sort of way. Since there isn’t, Fa’s only problem then comes from Ray’s character who doesn’t see her as a love interest.
I actually think the writing is better than Yes Sir Sorry Sir and Can’t Buy Me Love. The series is more enjoyable and the characters are funnier. Kudos to the producer too for making Raymond taking a funny character and shake off his lover image.
veejay, yes i not wrong your are really the one is the ray haters, i think you jealous of him because he more handsome and more talent and you not, you comment its really mock to ray, yes he is fake but good heart, and you perfect but not good heart, and if you want laught hard go laught hard untill dry you throat.
I tried Ep 1 yesterday after reading all the comments. Sad to say, I didn’t enjoy Sister Fa. In fact, I didn’t even laugh for a second. Like others said, Lai Chu eyes are too alert all the times. The jokes are too force. I like Char eventhough I am not a fan but this serie really let me down. Maybe she is just not suitable for this type of role. Ray looks really handsome in this serie but I hate his acting. Fake and unnatural.
Watching episode 2. I’ve to say, I enjoy Raymond’s performance in episode 2. He’s more into his character in episode 2 and more natural now, unlike his deliberate acting in episode 1.
No kidding. In this series Raymond is far better than Charmaine and I enjoyed Raymond a lot more. I’m sorry to Charmaine’s fans but no matter how Raymond backs her up or how enjoyable Raymond’s character is, it doesn’t change that Charmaine is doing a bad job.
If switched roles? Can Ray do well? I mean his role is kinda that already anyway.
@Funn – have you even watched this series beyond episode 1? You seem to have a thing against Raymond :P. I don’t understand what you mean by ‘kinda that already’.
Why do you need to apologise to Charmaine’s fans? You don’t have the obligation to praise Charmaine and I don’t think Charmaine’s fans expect you to either.
If someone want to criticise your idol xyz but say ‘sorry to xyz’s fans..’ first, how will you feel? Better? I doubt it. You will feel the opposite instead.
I think he can do well. In eps 4, there is a part he acts like her to seduce her.
That he acts like a child? isn’t it obvious this series is drawing pararell between two characters? One with a child’s mind but willing to face responsibility as an adult whilst one is an adult but wants to stay childlike with his irresponsible ways? That’s what I meant. And so he enters her world and learns to be a responsible adult which is an irony since she herself is supposedly a child. Story is there, but everything doesn’t live up to that story. And I still feel the ending is open ending. No way TVB will show them having an actual relationship because with such characters, you can’t have that ending unless TVB really have guts and give that sort of ending. And to that I shall say creepy! Still feel her character should be stupid rather than mentally challenged so that we viewers won’t be challenged to watch further. It should be a joy to watch, not a chore and not cringe worthy. But Ray of course rescued himself in the eyes of fans everywhere; hate the character but love the man for being able to act well and believe me, anyone next to such an awful performance could act well because you need somewhere else to look and so where to look but Ray.
I still don’t get how Toby got cast in this.
And no I didn’t watch beyond episode 1. I won’t pay to watch the rest and I don’t think my opinion will change at all. The acting sucks, it sucks. Ray.. bless him for trying to do an OTT sort of character. Toby looks pretty but so darn serious, everything is so serious. Natalie Tong is everything dramatic, Selena is everything fluffy and Toby is everything so serious.
How is that an improvement?
@ Funn: Are you mixing the acting and the character into 1?
Why make he difference? The character comes to life thanks or no thanks to the acting. Some don’t even act; they just pretend. Some old habits die hard.
Funn Lim, you are so RIGHT!!!!
fox, bravo, your are the best.
Stop replying “foxy” doesn’t mean she has won the debate hehe… I was just getting tired replying someone so childish like her who always watch her all her tvb series infront of her monitor for 24/7. People just have other things in life to do besides sitting here and replying her idol’s so called “hater” replies hehe..
@Fox,
If you think I’m a hater or Ray, well sorry to you becuz I also listen to some of Ray’s songs… LOL and I don’t hate Ray at all, I just dislike his plastic operations only… which I think people shouldn’t alter their looks if there is no necessary needs.
24/7? Wow tat’s so much. Fox is a nickname, I’m still human.
Well, you hate or not, your business.
As for plastic operations, I guess you have to dislike/hate many artists. Lol lol. But I guess it’s just a reason.
However, it’s your opinion. If wanna debate, tell me. I like to do that. Actually I like to debate more than watch tvb series.
veejay, no comment, nobody care, only i want to say your are the best haters.
obviously, you care!
im fall in love with char and ray, their did great job.
It’s funny to see all the bashing on char & ray.
If u dun like the drama/actor or actress, u hv the choice not to watch them.
It’s not that we don’t like them, it is we don’t like bad acting disguised as good acting. Mediocrity should never be the new standard for excellence. We have a choice to critique and not to critique as you have a choice to read or not to read.
This site is about feedback from the public. If the feedback is poor abot the drama & the acting skills, I’ll skip this drama.
From the above, I’ll definitely skip this drama.
Anyway, HK drama really sucks. Korean dramas r much much better
my favourite part of ep 1 was the robbing of the bank, ray look is just right for this role too.
i think char acted really smart in episode 4 to 5 before hugo grandfather birthday though.
i think ray and char really did a great job for the new comedy drama, bravo.
I think You and Fox both are the same people! hehe
This thing you have to ask Jayne, lol lol.
veejay, me and fox not same people, but same idol, fox is my good friend.
You are?
fox, i mean i idol you, i want be your friend, i salute you, you like smart girl and never give up.
Thnks for your praises.
I am somewhat moved by the show of solidarity amongst Ray’s fans. One can be the president and the other the secretary for Raymond Lam Fung Awesomely Chok Fan Club. And by the way I see nothing with being chok. It is a style isn’t it? Better Chok than Uncle you know?
I meant nothing wrong with the chok look.
What about Uncles who can be chok, Funn? I know you probably have a few in mind…? 🙂
Uncle and chok? Cannot!! Young and chok is ok. Uncle and chok is too much!
your welcome.
ray actually have a scene he just wanna have a fun, at least he has those look that make people love him, make people dream on bout him, there is nothing wrong at all, because he got the authority accounts just like other.