TVB’s Continued Terrible Ratings for “River of Wine” and “Men With No Shadows”

By on September 27, 2011 in NEWS, TV Dramas

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Yesterday, TVB released its ratings performance last week. The ratings for three of the company’s programs were terrible. Sitcom, Be Home for Dinner <誰家灶頭無煙火> averaged 25 points, which increased 1 point from the week before. Featuring Pierro Ngo (敖嘉年) and Linda Chung (鍾嘉欣), River of Wine <九江十二坊> averaged 26 points, which also rose by only 1 point, with  nearly 1.66 million viewers tuning in.

Starring Raymond Lam (林峯) and Bobby Au Yeung (歐陽震華), Men With No Shadows <不速之約> had average ratings of 26 points. The ratings did not rise or fall from the week before. The highest rating peaked at 30 points, with approximately 1.91 million viewers watching the program. Aside from plagiarism outcries, the ratings for Men with No Shadows were not very good.

Lacking a recent shortage of singers appearing on Jade Solid Gold <勁歌金曲>, the ratings for the music program was terrible. Broadcast every Friday, Jade Solid Gold only pulled average ratings of 11 points, slipping 1 point. On the other hand, ATV sponsored The University of Hong Kong to conduct a research project entitled, “Television Audience Research.” The ratings survey revealed that ATV news programs, 2011 Moving Hong Kong <2011感動香港> attracted approximately 1.44 million viewers.

Jayne: Is “Men With No Shadows” too abstract for Hong Kong audience’s tastes? Or a show that is difficult to follow if you do not watch every episode?

153 comments to TVB’s Continued Terrible Ratings for “River of Wine” and “Men With No Shadows”

  1. MARS says:

    TVB IS A FAIL AT TIMES.

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    • Larry 3 replied:

      TeeVeeBee likes to fail lately.

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      • HeTieShou replied:

        TVB is totally very bad…

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  2. uyenta says:

    havent watch it, sounds terrible…

    :q

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  3. Stephy says:

    I watch these 2 drama. indeed very boring.

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  4. Fox says:

    @Jayne: It’s a show that require ppl to think much because it has too many twists and if you dun watch carefully, you will think that it has a lot of holes and mistakes and also can’t find its true intentions.

    Again, still think that its concept is suitable for a movie than a series, especially a series for ppl to relax. Because they made a 20 eps series, they have to drag some parts and it leads to the distract.

    Overall, I dun like much 5 first eps but from eps 6, the series has a jump on plot and being my cup of tea.

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    • jayne replied:

      Fox,
      LF being in the cast of “Men With No Shadows” is of course a must-watch factor! 🙂

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      • Fox replied:

        Yes, but it’s for the beginning. I watch this series for LF, but that dun mean I must like the series.

        Such as until now, I still dun like MOL and MR even with LF. Or I also dun like Golden Faith. But I like Twilight Investigation, with Linda – someone I not really like in it as main lead. Or I like E.U last year, hehe.

        MWNS is my cup of tea because its content is similar to my fiction thinking. I like anything with twists, up down and sudden chance. Something not simple and straight-forward.

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      • Fox replied:

        Ah BTW, MWNS also has TY – a must-not-watch factor to me =)), so it’s balance? Kidding.

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      • Masaharu replied:

        Fox, that means you can separate from personal favorite, artistes, characters, and plot 😀

        I didn’t watch much of E.U., but I liked Elanne Kong and Michael Miu’s father and daughter plot(although their acting styles aren’t my cup of tea :P)

        Onto the drama, I haven’t watched but perhaps the concept is too vague for casual viewers to blast their heads off thinking haha

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      • NX replied:

        Haha, Fox. I don’t really find MOL and MR outstanding series too, same with HOG. They lack of flavours and sometimes exaggerating. Don’t know why but recently I seems to prefer LF’s low rating series to his high rating ones, at least his roles allow him to show his acting skills. Like in GOL, the “mother die” scene, or in MWNS. Too bad, HK audience don’t like it.

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      • Fox replied:

        E.U is interesting to me because it has a detail that I like: The one Lap Man blv the most is the one who betrayed him at last while the one he dun blv is actually the good one. And I wanna noe how Laughing is revealed his true ID (but this kinda disappointed me because it’s simple than I expected). It isn’t as straight as MR, HOG, MOL, etc. – just watch can understand immediately what they are talking about.

        Twilight Investigation is likable for me for the same reason. I wanna see who is actually the mother of Linda’s chac and Power’s true ID is wat. The ending is lame, the chemistry of Wong He and Linda is zero, but the concept is quite nice.

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  5. AC says:

    Even though I do like River of Wine, it did not look very captivating to me. If I didn’t have the time to catch up on my tvb series, this would’ve probably been one I would skip.

    I’m surprised that Men With No Shadows is not getting higher ratings because Bobby is usually a strong pull for ratings. What might have hurt them is the accusations of plagiarism which none of them could quite really defend because they didn’t want to give the story away?

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  6. Kidd says:

    I like ‘Men With No Shadow’. I don’t have a a very good opinion of the series when I watch the trailer. But, I like the actual series.

    I especially like Typhoon’s observations on human nature that he gave after every incident.

    The series has a lot of twist and turn. I really cannot predict how the series will end.

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    • Chriselle replied:

      “I like ‘Men With No Shadow’. I don’t have a a very good opinion of the series when I watch the trailer. But, I like the actual series.”

      I agree. Now that we know Toi Fung isn’t a devil, but really human, I find the series more relatable, but still fun to watch. Not much a fan of the supernatural genre.

      However, it’s still a typical TVB drama in the sense that it contains those family drama (battle between the two wives) and loud yelling lines. Surprised that Gigi Wong was the one chosen to play the role since most of her characters in the past were more reasonable. She is overbearing and quite annoying.

      Still wondering if Mandy’s screen time will increase to playing something other than the girl who just woke up from a coma and has to stay in bed all day long.

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  7. veeyee says:

    Personally, I think MWNS may be attracting a younger audience group. And of course, we know that the younger audiences will only watch TV online. ha.. It will sure effect ratings. I’m sure the hits for TVB online will be quite high.

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    • Veejay replied:

      mwns is more famous in younger generation is due to LF. Not bobby though lol but I has always like Bobby when I was young 🙂

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    • Chriselle replied:

      I’m glad TVB is moving away from the Totally Very Boring genre. Really don’t like those HOG/MR clones and they need more variety!

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      • NX replied:

        But those have high ratings! Is it just me but I have the feeling HK audience don’t like series that needs to think much.

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      • Masaharu replied:

        Perhaps to HK viewers who have hectic lifestyle, scenes with 2 or more women ‘shouting, crying or b*tchslap’ each other with occasional “golden quotes” can entertain them. Some human backdrops and flower vases in the background consisting of rising stars may help too.

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      • sarah replied:

        Perhaps they like how they can easily understand what is going on without the need to follow each episode every night and observe it carefully..

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  8. loungegirl says:

    Not interested at all in any of these dramas – just BLAH!!

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  9. Nikki says:

    I think Men With No Shadows is only interesting to certain type of people. I’m sure not everyone is interested in a drama that doesn’t realistically make sense.

    Like seriously? When a devil enters through your life, and you don’t even question about the existence of ghost and spirits.. Instead it gets all mixed up with this and that… Aiya.

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    • Chriselle replied:

      It will make more sense if you watch on. It’s not about an existent devil, but the devil in your heart.

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      • sarah replied:

        Yep, agree. I think it has quite a strong meaning behind the whole story (about the true devil inside a person, no matter how good you are) and the suspense and inscrutableness is what makes me chase it every night. 🙂

        The cast is really good too. I really enjoy Bobby, Raymond and Sire. 🙂

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    • NX replied:

      See, this is the problem of most audience. Don’t have the patience to watch it til the end and start claiming that it does not make sense!

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      • Nikki replied:

        Guys, i did watch it. Also, I watch it everyday, it is dinner time routine.
        -_____-
        Look, all I’m saying is that it is not REALISTICALLY NOT making any sense. As in it doesn’t connect well with reality. Of course, this is very subjective, so don’t even bother, because it is my opinion.

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    • Fox replied:

      If you watch horror movies, do you think the girls who are run run run in these movie/series have ever questioned of the existence of ghost and spirits? They just… run, hehe.

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      • Nikki replied:

        If they make it out alive, then maybe. I know I would be like, ‘how did all of this happened?!’ and stuff.
        Usually in horror movies, they’d have a purpose and explanation for such plot right? (:

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        If they don’t believe in ghosts and spirits, why run?

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      • Fox replied:

        Funn has the point here. They dun question, they blv.

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      • Nikki replied:

        No, they do question. Humans are curious creatures. o_o

        Please, I see the drama the way it I THINK it is. My own perspective.

        Jeez, you guys just keep going on and on ._.

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  10. Funn Lim says:

    Isn’t 26 points the normal rating number? And since MWNS averaged the same, I think viewership is generally down. I know why for ROW it is down. I don’t see any substantial promotion. MWNS is low despite the promo is strange but not unexpected.

    A pity. MWNS I saw ep 11 I think, starting to get interesting whilst ROW at ep 20 is mighty interesting. Since CBML has such high rating, my only conclusion is HK-ers have no taste.

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    • Fox replied:

      ROW had 3 promotions up to now, Funn. Not that this series dun have any promotion.

      The viewership of MWNS is the same, 1.91 million. 26 peaked at 30, the same to 1st week.

      HKers like something they dun have to think, can understand immediately. It’s the lazy mind.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        3 promotions but none too significant. It is not enough; I just feel there is a lack of chatter because too much emphasis on upcoming series, like for Bowie, Linda, etc but none connected to this series. I switch on TV and I see more MWNS promo than River of Wine. I find ROW definitely neglected. A pity because it is a rather lovely series.

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      • Fox replied:

        Ah you mean the trailers? If that, MWNS only has 1 and the next, re-use wat used in the first trailers.

        I dun watch any trailer of ROW, don’t know.

        I thought you mean the promotion where the artists attend and play games.

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      • exoidus replied:

        saw some vids of linda from those promotions, she looked so beautiful LOL

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    • Larry 3 replied:

      26 points might be the norm if three other free tv stations join the battle now.

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  11. Funn Lim says:

    Jayne,

    “Men With No Shadows” too abstract for Hong Kong audience’s tastes? Or a show that is difficult to follow if you do not watch every episode?”

    I watched Ep 1, a little of ep 2, skipped to episode 10, watched half of ep 11, and I can still follow the story. It is not difficult to follow. ROW is difficult to follow if you skip that many, since relationships can be confusing. I just think the story of MWNS is just not captivating enough; like style over substance. But ep 11 is interesting. So the article is true then; ray is human? Oh come on, surprise me!

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    • Fox replied:

      Really? I jumped ROW from eps 1 to eps 24 and also can understand the relationships very well :P.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        How can you? I was so confused who is brother who is not, took me 1 episode to adjust and another episode to know the background. Ep 20 is rather sad. But I do think Bowie seems to be not there; like something missing.

        Linda Chung, amazing. She should win for this series.

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      • Fox replied:

        I dun find it’s that hard, just that.

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      • Fox replied:

        Ah, I mean 14. Not 24.

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      • Fox replied:

        Hmm, I’m in eps 14 now, planing to jump to 20 today because you say it’s touching. But Linda is really tat amazing? I find her in Twilight is better :). Or even Miss Koo is more interesting. ROW’s Linda reminds me of SJS in HOG too much.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        Fox, be objective. Watch each episode, why I feel she is amazing because she gets better in each episode. I suppose it is a cumulative effect. If you jump episodes, you will miss the development in between.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        “ROW’s Linda reminds me of SJS in HOG too much.”

        Heart of Greed? The one where she cries a lot? Fox you have been skipping a lot of episodes! She is stronger in ROW, her character is very likeable, and I believe she will have even more development in future and how she protects her husband and family. A strong character.

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      • Fox replied:

        SJS is also a strong girl who care for the family, protect her dad from the evil brother. I think Linda is similar in both series, from the acting to look.

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      • Fox replied:

        @Funn: May I say the same quote for you with MWNS? “Fox, be objective. Watch each episode, why I feel she is amazing because she gets better in each episode. I suppose it is a cumulative effect. If you jump episodes, you will miss the development in between.”

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        Character similar then, but performance top notch. You can’t avoid similarity in characters but she was very effective in ROW. The picture above dies her no justice; she is actually prettier in the series. The costumes are amazing.

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      • Fox replied:

        Still similar to me.

        Lol, I find it’s funny because what you are trying to convince me that Linda is amazing in ROW, I can use the same to tell you to watch MWNS, haha. But both of us like to jump the series we dun like much.

        So Funn, we are similar but different.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        Fox, didn’t I say I am following from ep 11 onwards? Things are getting interesting? But overall MWNS is still not interesting enough to capture my attention. ROW is slow burn but MWNS is sometimes rather annoying, especially the big mom, small mom scenes and all. What you said about ROW is different. You pick and choose episodes. I am more set; it doesn’t capture my attention, it doesn’t, no matter how many episodes in.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        Fox we are not similar. You are set on loving Ray and whatever he appears in. No matter what I say you have made up your mind. I like Linda gradually, and she has done enough to convince me and justify liking her in ROW. I am not trying to convince you to like ROW. Frankly I don’t quite care what you think of ROW. Linda is amazing in ROW. I am sure there will some here who agrees with me. Again it is personal preference. Like you think Ray or anyone else in MWNS is great. So no we are not similar.

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      • Fox replied:

        it doesn’t capture my attention, it doesn’t, no matter how many episodes in.

        That’s right.

        ROW can’t capture my attention, maybe that. I find it’s similar to Country Spirit and Linda’s chac is similar to SJS, even acting and look. Notice: I think Linda looks good as SJS.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        “But both of us like to jump the series we dun like much.”

        Again sorry, no we are not alike in this. WHen I don’t want to watch a series, I don’t watch. Why I am watching episode 11 is not because of conscious decision to pick and choose and jump. I just don’t want to go through previous 8 or 9 episodes because I don’t like the series. I set down for 11 quite simply because I was channel surfing and there it was and I just watched. I am not like if someone says ep 10 is good, I switch to ep 10.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        “I find it’s similar to Country Spirit and Linda’s chac is similar to SJS, even acting and look. ”

        I think I have said enough on the issue of similarity with Country Spirit so I shall say no more. Frankly I didn’t find MWNS that original either.

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      • Fox replied:

        You are set on loving Ray and whatever he appears in.

        Point to the above comment I made to Jayne.

        Frankly I don’t quite care what you think of ROW.

        You told me to watch it each eps to know how amazing Linda is.

        So no we are not similar.

        Similar but different is wat I said. You can check our convo again. We are quite similar in expressing purposes.

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      • Fox replied:

        Frankly I didn’t find MWNS that original either.

        It isn’t.

        Again sorry, no we are not alike in this. WHen I don’t want to watch a series, I don’t watch. Why I am watching episode 11 is not because of conscious decision to pick and choose and jump. I just don’t want to go through previous 8 or 9 episodes because I don’t like the series. I set down for 11 quite simply because I was channel surfing and there it was and I just watched. I am not like if someone says ep 10 is good, I switch to ep 10.

        Different type of jump, but have the same action: jump on series.

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      • Fox replied:

        And Funn, you misunderstood me. I dun wanna convince you that LF is great or amazing in MWNS. I just wanna tell you that if you watch MWNS each eps, maybe you can find it’s the same way to ROW. But I guess not now, haha.

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  12. Addy says:

    I stopped watching MWNS after the first episode, LOL. Maybe I should pick it back up again.

    ROW’s actually getting pretty interesting. Linda Chung is actually really good in it, and I love Bowie Lam and Elena Kong’s chemistry.

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    • exoidus replied:

      Linda, bowie and elena are great in ROW, however the overall story is predictable so its kinda boring…

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        Not quite. Was rather surprised at the events in ep 20 and how everyone expected poor Pierre to throw away entire family fortune. Quite realistic.

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      • exoidus replied:

        the dog politician will seize their family fortune due to 2nd brother stupidness and later sunny and bowie will rebuild the familiy fortune in 1 episode max 2 🙂

        and so they will live happily ever after. i find it not realistic to forgive a person that causes you so many problems like pierre

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      • Addy replied:

        It is quite predictable, but I like stories like ROW, and the drama has amazing scenery (TVB should travel to China more often), so I’m sticking with this drama till the end.

        Okay, the REAL reason why I’m still watching this is because of Bowie and Elena, lol. I love their relationship in the story. It’s very well-written, and very bittersweet and heart numbing. (Or maybe that’s just me being biased, LOL)

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      • exoidus replied:

        hopefully they will have a happy ending and survive being “drown in the pigcage” 🙂

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        The worst had to happen before the younger brother realises whatever his older brother did was for his own good and was on his side all along. Something dramatic had to happen to have him have a change of heart. It shows Pierre is a good guy but misled by others. I find the whole manipulation, etc is quite engaging. And someone asked why Bowie let Pierre do whatever he wants if he knew he was gonna throw away the fortune? Simple. Pierre is the rightful heir. Bowie can’t say no, he is in no position to say no. So all he could do is to prepare an exit door for Pierre, an alternate income by investing in his own brother’s wine business. I find that rather… kind. I would have walked away and not care about that prick.

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    • celine replied:

      I never gave ROW a chance cos I decided that it was a bore when I saw the trailer. I focussed all my energy on MWNS. I was bored after Ep 1 but endured because I had nothing else to watch, haha!
      By Ep 4 of MWNS I gave up. It was a no brainer.
      I switched to ROW (cos I had nothing else to watch) and I am glad I did. Loved every minute of it and it is getting better …… Can’t imagine myself saying this but Linda was actually Good! Have never been her fan. 🙂

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      • exoidus replied:

        i never gave MWNS a chance since im kinda sick of watching tavia and plastic ray don’t appeal to me even though i like bobby.

        tvb trying to make a story so complex that even their own people can’t understand it LOL.

        im can see that people are starting to recognize linda acting skills 🙂

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      • Fox replied:

        I will be surprised if you give MWNS a chance, exoidus, hehe.

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      • Larry 3 replied:

        It must be episode 1 of MWNS was churn off. TVB ruins again…

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  13. Xuelx says:

    From the comments above, my conclusion is:

    Watch MWNS if you like Raymond, Bobby (and maybe Sire). Watch if you like fictional, abstract-ish stuff.

    Watch ROW if you like Linda, Bowie (and Elena). Watch if you like nice scenery, bittersweet relationships and stuff that’s more realistic.

    I definitely know which one I’ll watch! ^^
    Being right in thinking that Elena and Bowie will be damn awesome definitely helped, cause I dislike both Linda and Raymond. So I wouldn’t watch if not for Elena and Bowie. But regardless, now ROW is firmly on my must-watch list xDDD

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  14. Norika says:

    @Jayne,

    I watched MWNS, it feels like watching a role play at school… i Like Tavia but the script is terrible.. LF and Dr.O are perhaps the best part of the show! it only draws my attention when it reveals the story of the teenage LF which is quite moving c:

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  15. Norika says:

    and for the ROW, no matter how good Bowie is, it seems like the actors just dont have much chemical. The new girl is bright tho.

    and I like the song by TAICHI!

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  16. sushiroll says:

    linda still has that guinea pig whiny voice. and ppl are wondering why the ratings are so low……

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    • exoidus replied:

      haha really? i love her voice its so sweet unlike that of some other fadans

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      • le replied:

        Are you kidding me! Her voice is the most annoying. With the poor rating for her series, there is still hype for her to get TVB Queen status? She need to get a voice makeover, so her acting can get anywhere.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        I thought her voice is sweet and she gives me the vibe she is well mannered, polite, girly and genuinely classy. Her voice is not the worst.

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      • Fox replied:

        @Funn: She is acting, hehe. I’m referring to the frank call again. I actually like her voice before she changes to sweet high voice. It sounds cuter to my ear.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        Fox what are you implying?

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      • Fox replied:

        She is acting. She is an actress. I say it straight, not implying.

        If you want me to expand my post, then here it is: Linda isn’t really that sweet, girly and naive like her image, but because of this sweet image, she always have to act sweet and use this sweet voice. Part of her is sweet, but not the real Linda. She still has her tomboy side, or maybe can be very tomboy in real life. Like all other artists, she is acting.

        Done.

        And P/S: I dun think Linda is a bad person. At least, I dun find she is anything bad. However, I would like to see her true personality revealed soon.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        I don’t think she is naive either. She is too old to be naive. But I think she is girly and she is sweet. Your statement implies she is a hypocrite. Look, I don’t know Linda personally, and neither do you so I can’t confirm if she is a pretentious hypocrite or not. But if she is as you say she is, then she truly deserves the best actress award. I have been cuckolded, fooled, and she deserves the award for her ability to fool the world.

        FYI, I believe her to be genuine and sincere. I am not sure what is your problem with Linda but luckily she doesn’t have rabid fans like Tavia in here.

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      • Fox replied:

        Hypocrite? Once again, I blv a part of anyone in us is one.

        I dun have much problem with Linda if you ask me. I kinda like her after Twilight Investigation. And my encounter with her is good. But I dun think she is 100% genuine and sincere. I don’t care for Linda being a hypocrite, however I wanna see her true personality.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        I don’t get you Fox and I don’t think I will ever get you so I will just let this rest.

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    • Kidd replied:

      Guinea pigs sound like that? I didn’t know. Haha.

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    • Fox replied:

      Guinea pig is a type of Hamster, right?

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    • AC replied:

      lol, what?

      I don’t find anything wrong with her voice, but Charmaine was once criticized for her chicken-voice and she went on to become tvb queen so what might bug people might not bug others.

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      • Kidd replied:

        You miss out one important point. When Charmaine was criticised for her chicken-voice, she took steps to rectify it. She read newspaper aloud as practice to make her voice projection stronger and finally able to get rid of her chicken voice.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        ” finally able to get rid of her chicken voice.”

        Kidd, she still talks with chicken voice. It is not her voice I minded, but her acting which is in the end better but still very scene per scene. In CBML she still talks that way. I never thought her voice was THAT bad but certainly wasn’t shakespearen actor-ish. I don’t think shouting her lines means her voice projection stronger. I am still traumatised by that sudden change in that stupid series that I shall not name.

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      • Kidd replied:

        @ Funn

        Compare her speaking voice in CBML and FlyingFox. Or no need to go so far. Compare Flyingfox and Country Spirit.

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      • Veejay replied:

        Speaking about Charmaine, she’s coming to Sg. Wang on 1 oct 11 from 5.30pm till 7.30pm for Skinz promotion and autograph session.

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      • josie replied:

        Actually when I first saw charmaine in “flying fox”, I thought she was cute and didn’t mind her voice b/c that’s how I thought her character is supposed to be. I remember margie tsang just as cute as the young girl mui yeurk lan.

        If u compare her voice to madam ma in FH2, u can see the maturity in her voice. In CBML, I think she purposely made herself sound shrill to match the princess role.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        “If u compare her voice to madam ma in FH2, u can see the maturity in her voice. In CBML, I think she purposely made herself sound shrill to match the princess role.”

        Or rather her real voice is shrill but her public persona is deeper voice.

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      • josie replied:

        That could possibly be true about charmaine.

        But how come when fox suggests the same about Linda (sweet feminine voice in public but tomboyish in real life), u are quick to not believe it?

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        “But how come when fox suggests the same about Linda (sweet feminine voice in public but tomboyish in real life), u are quick to not believe it?”

        You must re read her post. She didn’t say that. She implied something worse. Whether she is a tomboy or not is of no consequence to anything. What Fox is saying even if she denies it

        “Linda isn’t really that sweet, girly and naive like her image, but because of this sweet image, she always have to act sweet and use this sweet voice. Part of her is sweet, but not the real Linda. ”

        Of course she went on to say she is actually a tomboy. Who says tomboys can’t be sweet, naive? Using one word to disguise the other is not accurate description. Read between the lines and you will know why I disagree.

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      • Fox replied:

        @Funn: You are talking like you are Fox.

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      • Veejay replied:

        @funn,

        There are many “pengkids” or tomboys in KL here, and I have not seen any of them that is “sweet” talking or even sound anything sweet. Most wear loose teeshirt, loose pants, wear caps and most of them has short hair. Some even talk like men and acted like them.

        Remember the recent news of the serdang cat killer? That killer is a tomboy too and she looks nothing or acted anythign sweet at all XD.. Oh..speaking about her really make my blood boil.

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      • Veejay replied:

        @Fox,

        Maybe linda is really a sweet girl and very obedience type? Since she was brought up in Canada, not many ppl know about her history, so it’s hard to say she’s pretending to be sweet. Some ppl has good family bringing and well discipline even if they works in a showbiz.

        Funn may be right that Linda could be someone discipline,nice, gentle and someone who has class not like others.

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      • Veejay replied:

        Fox & Funn,

        Btw, how did you gals changed your avatar there??

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        I am just perplexed that if she is a tomboy she is none of those things? So tomboys are rude, crass, serial kitten killer?

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        Veejay, go to gravatar.com and make sure you register using the same email address you put whenever you post in jaynestars, so your avatar will show here as well

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      • Veejay replied:

        @Funn,

        Thanks for the info for changing Avatar.

        No, not all Tomboys are ruthless killers or bullies. I just want to say None those I met are sweet talking only or act anything sweet. Tomboys are just like normal human beings, some r bad and some r good but they just dislike dressing up like normal gals, that’s all just like those crossdresser, where guys love dressing like gals and vice versa.

        maybe it’s just me, I have never met any nice tomboy so far. Those I met were either too rough and acted like a tough guy which I honestly don’t like their attitude and way of acting at all.

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      • Veejay replied:

        Darn,

        My company blocks Gravatar.com so lame >.<. Can't change it from my working pc lol

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      • jayne replied:

        Veejay,
        “My company blocks Gravatar.com so lame >.<. Can't change it from my working pc lol"

        In the near future, when our planned technical updates are complete, all registered users will be able to upload their personal avatars of choice directly on JayneStars.com. This means slightly bigger profile pics than what gravatar supports. 🙂

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      • Fox replied:

        No, I mean Linda isn’t fragile, need care or naive. She is quite independent, smart enough to understand the rule of the game. Her voice isn’t that sweet if it isn’t to public. When I talked with her, her voice started quite deep but a second after that, she changed to a higher voice.

        Her family background in Canada isn’t clear, too. Some say she is very rich and she bought the MCI status. Some say she has a normal family. She said her parents are very poor and she had to sell dimsum with her mother when she was small.

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      • Fox replied:

        You can change avatar anywhere, whenever you type your email, your avatar will appear.

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      • Veejay replied:

        @fox,

        What do u mean by can change avatar anywhere? do u mean not only gravatar.com that I can change my avatar, there are other sites too? such as? My company blocks gravatar.com xD

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        Jaynestars is connected to gravatar so if you want to change your avatar here you must upload and manage your avatar at gravatar. Any sites connected to gravatar will also see the same avatar. Make sure you use the same email address.

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      • Veejay replied:

        I see, thanks Funn.

        since my company has blocked gravatar.com, I’m using my mobile to upload pic lol, kinda hard using mobile to do this.

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      • Fox replied:

        @Veejay: You can do it at home.

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      • exoidus replied:

        aren’t tomboys suppose to be frank and straightforward and most importantly not manipulative as those vixens 🙂

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      • a-pop replied:

        exoidus u also change avatar too.

        Why tomboy cant be villian. They also human being

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      • a-pop replied:

        suppose to say tomboy also can be manipulative

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      • exoidus replied:

        perhaps i should say that a tomboy wouldn’t be very good at manipulation as vixens hehe.

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      • Stephy replied:

        help me, where to get avatar image since i’m gravatar.com.

        thanks

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      • Fox replied:

        http://en.gravatar.com/site/signup/

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      • Stephy replied:

        found it..thanks

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      • Kidd replied:

        I’ve heard the prank call record that Fox said Linda show Linda’s true self and I do find she’s a bit tomboyish on the phone and I actually like that side of her better. More 爽直.

        Here’s the prank call
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VavBkNq7p60

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      • Fox replied:

        Yes Kidd, I said the same thing but Funn ignored and said that I implied Linda is hypocrite. I said I like the tomboy side of her and want to see her show it soon, not sweet sweet all the time.

        Like the Watch dog series (sorry, I quit it in the middle because it’s too boring), Linda’s tomboy parts are my fave. When she turns more feminine, I quit the series.

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      • exoidus replied:

        haha, heard that clip b4 and don’t find her tomboyish at all. girls don’t need to act “Sa jiao” 🙂

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      • Chriselle replied:

        Thanks for posting the link to the clip, Kidd!

        I personally didn’t sense Linda being tomboy, but she seemed caught off guard or something. No caller ID and she didn’t know it was LF calling? Lol, was she trying to catch her breath? But Linda was really cute in confusion, hehe! 😛

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  17. LT says:

    never watched ROW but i love MWNS. i love bobby and raymonds chemistry on the show and the whole thing that he is not a devil was a shocker. not so much a fan of the romance side because that part was awfully written. too rushed and not too good of acting. and to be honest, i am sick of seeing tavia in these roles. i want to see her evil and actually show her acting skills. these last couple roles like in the other truth, yes sir, and mwns do no justice and her story in them are just boring or over exaggerated.

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    • Chriselle replied:

      ” i want to see her evil and actually show her acting skills.”

      TVB gave her a chance at that and she didn’t impress, remember? 😉

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    • Kidd replied:

      Is it the role does her no justice or she couldn’t do justice to the role?

      If an actress can only show her acting skill in evil roles, she has poor acting skills.

      Fong Fong and Mavis are 2 entirely different character. But, if you find both also boring, is it the fault of the character or the actress?

      Personally, I don’t find Fong Fong boring. I like her and I think Tavia did a good playing her. It’s just that Tavia’s look does not suit the character.

      Here is the personality traits I find in Fong Fong
      – kind-hearted
      – spunky (she scold Dr.O’s stepmother for Dr.O)
      – funny (the was she reacted when Dr.O profess his love for her)
      – vain (care a lot about her looks and like to beautiful herself)

      Those are not boring traits.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        “- spunky (she scold Dr.O’s stepmother for Dr.O)”

        Which is really the only interesting part of this series. I am sickened also by how bobby just lets his mom be bullied where when she told him to shut up, he shuts up. The husband is disgusting.

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      • Kidd replied:

        Well. She’s his mother. What if he didn’t listen to her and she cried? Anyway, there is a reason why Dr.O’s mom always give in to the stepmother.

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      • Kidd replied:

        I feel sorry for Dr.O’s mom actually.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        I don’t feel sorry for her. I feel she let that wife walk all over her. I feel sorry for both but they created their own problems. Dr O’s mom should grow a spine. And frankly I am shocked at how awful Ray’s acting was in that scene with Dr O in episode is it 13 now? Where he scolded Dr O for paying for his sis’ medical fees.

        As for ROW shocking in ep 22. Shocking between the reaction of the aunt and of Chi Ching aka Linda. Didn’t expect that. I really like Sire Ma’s character. Her acting is raw but her character is spunky and is really opinionated in a good way. I want to fly kick Pierre, as in Chi Chun. The words he used against his 3rd mom is unforgivable.

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  18. Kidd says:

    Someone in Golden Forum said MWNS also got inspiration from Goethe’s Faust

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goethe's_Faust

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  19. a-pop says:

    rating MWNS really dissapoited me. HK audience prefer watch online or change lifestyle?

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  20. Stephy says:

    Where is AH K.

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      Stephy,
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        Oic…Thanks Jayne.
        Making an appearance sounds like a superstar …hehehe..

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        Stephy,
        “Making an appearance sounds like a superstar …hehehe..”

        Ah K is a superstar writer on JayneStars.com! Hehe you missed her presence lately too. 🙂

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        Jayne.
        Ya ya…quite boring without her around.
        beside you, he always has an updated articles to share.she also will find some other articles from different resources to share.
        well…anyway both of you done a very good job here…ever since i found this website, i never missed a day for showing up at your website. unless i’m travelling.
        hope u r understand my poor broken English and Grammar…hahahaha…

        btw how to refresh cox every time i finished reading their comment i had to out from this website and in again to see the latest comment.

        Thanks

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      • Stephy replied:

        Domo arigato…Ditto Jayne.

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    • Chriselle replied:

      I miss Ah K’s updates as well. It has been too quiet lately with only a few updates.

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  21. loungegirl says:

    Linda Chung’s voice is “sweet” if she were a SEVEN-YEAR OLD!! She may be a nice person (so they say..) but as an actress and so-called “singer”, her voice is extremely weak, non-dimensional and frankly, just annoying the more you hear it. Her voice alone prevents her from playing any other roles aside from the goody-two-shoes, girly and sob crying scenes (which is just simply tiresome). The minute she tries to go beyond that I’d CRINGE. She reminds me of the young Charmaine Sheh.

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    • Chriselle replied:

      I slightly agree with you about how her voice prevents her from playing more evil roles. Besides her facial expressions, her looks were also a reason why I didn’t like her performance in Gem of Life as much as I wished.

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  22. penny4urthoughts says:

    Just finished watching the ending of both series, MWNS today and ROW ast week. Starting off with MWNS. Everyone has already been spoied with flicks like Avatar and Lord of the Rings. Why can’t TVB and the whole HK movie industry import on their CG quality. Before that happens, nothing you intend to be fantasy is believable. Technicals aside, I am a fan of LF’s. But, to remain unbiased, I feel the series 潛行狙擊 with Laughing is much stronger and much more convincing. I definitely had a greater connection with that story line and Laughing over the characters in MWNS. Possibly because we’ve known Laughing for such a long time so he has that going for him for Drama King at the end of the year.

    Between MWNS and ROW, I would have to say I enjoyed ROW. Yes, it was predictable to an extent but I love the historical feel and the extent of details.

    The only complaint I would have about ROW are the last 2-3 eps. It felt rush and there were a few scenes that I had to mutter “WTF” this makes no sense. An example would be the scene near the end where Bowie’s character was held captive for having an affair with his “sam ma” (step mom). “Leung Tai Ma” got so upset that she said she’d trade that revolutionary name listing for him. She went on a rant for what felt like a long time. Duh, turn that book in and the whole family would be beheaded. But yes, the ending was rushed and a bit sloppy.

    MWNS like I said before was dragged down a bit factoring from poor CG quality. I did enjoy the initial perplex story line and feel all the characters did well as far as chemistry given what they had to work with. Funny, my 65 year old mom saw the 1st eps, stopped watching and picked up from eps 13. I gave her a quick 5 min update of the unfolded relationships between all the characters and she was like, “Wa! Kum fuk jap gea?” Ha. I said of course, bars are raised and people don’t like predictable (such as complaints with ROW). The ending was ok…felt a little “Sixth Sense” even though it’s in a different context.

    I have a new theory that TVB has a standard series ending formula. Bring plot climax through force dragging with fillers to around chapter 16, take part of chap 16-18 and start unfolding and then rush an ending between 19 and 20 and ensure no one dies and everyone just forgives each other and live happily ever after. (sigh)

    Anyhow, it is what it is. I mainly continue to watch TVB is because that is the only way I can keep my Cantonese tip top living in America where I speak English all day. I do wish the best for Asian films and hope they can continue to improve instead of going by the same formula each time.

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  23. Fox says:

    After finishing MWNS, I think the scriptwriter of this one made a poor job. She has idea but the development of the idea is bad. There are some interesting parts and good ideas, but overall, failed in the end to explain everything and solve the twists. I think all the beginning part, the scriptwriter wanna imply that watever Dr. O saw in Tai Fung is just the illusion Tai Fung give him, not really happen. And Tai Fung even hypnotized himself to act like a devil. But since she can’t make it clear, it becomes confusing.

    And it’s so TVB to have too many draggy parts in the middle (especially week 3) and a rushed ending.

    To conclude, the series has a big head and a small tail.

    Watever, TVB is still TVB. Can’t help. The CGI is bad, but it’s reasonable for a small budgeted like MWNS. TVB should spend money not only on the artists but also to develop themselves. They becomes very repetitive and use the same formula for every small pieces.

    Maybe they should try to do less series.

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    • Fox replied:

      And here is another bad stuff of TVB: The poster: http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/large/83b62366jw1dlvt1il5gtj.jpg look at the poster of FH3, they even dun try to do the Photoshop carefully =.=.

      All the faces are over photoshoped but in bad way. Why Edwin’s face, half is white and half is black? Bad sponge use.

      The hair of Wayne has some bad cut that even non Photoshop user can see. Same to the Aimee’s.

      The blur tool is used horribly, make their skins becomes unbelievable. The light blending is not similar to all characters, so some is too bright, some is too dark.

      FH3’s poster isn’t the only one and won’t be the last one with bad Photoshop. It isn’t that hard to make a good poster. And dun take too long. Why they can put some efforts on some small things like that?

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      • Kidd replied:

        I find the poster no bad. You are too detail-oriented. The overall feel of the poster is good albeit a bit crowded.

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      • Kidd replied:

        Most people won’t notice the defect you list out.

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      • Vivien replied:

        Fox think too much ROFL. I think the poster looks cool but yeap like Kidd said OVERCROWDED

        LOO poster is worse with the colour and lighting

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      • Fox replied:

        Bad Photoshoped. It happens to most of TVB posters to have Photoshop mistake. Just a small thing and wont take them too long to do but still do it badly, so dun ask for their CG

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        The poster isn’t too overcrowded. Each dept with its own space. It is however over photoshopped. Look at what they did to Maggie and Ron. Ron and Nancy looked loopsided. I am sure there will be a A4 version, less people. Colour is very high tech though, I do like the colour combination, very “cool” but the photoshopping is horrendous. And frankly, it is just one bunch stands here, one bunch stands there. No breakthrough. Not bad but not memorable.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        And why is Kate at the forefront, more so than Maggie?

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      • Kidd replied:

        I don’t fine Kate in the forefront. Maggie is more outstanding because she and Wayne is flanking the title. So, she’s more noticeable and feel more main.

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      • Funn Lim replied:

        But you gotta admit if not more front then equal front. I am surprised how huge Kate’s picture is.

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      • Fox replied:

        Maybe the natural of Kate’s face is big so :P.

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      • penny4urthoughts replied:

        This poster is too busy. Cut out all the people in the back, keep the lab background. The photoshop is an overkill. TVB tries too hard to put the ENTIRE cast on their posters and then instead of focusing on what they are trying to convey to their audience. Look at the TV show posters for the US. Example: http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/384/410688-castle_01.jpg
        Or Desparate Housewives posters too. They have a huge cast but their posters are simple, sweet, and to the point. If TVB’s trailers are more successful then their posters should be simple enough to jog people’s memories. They need to work on their trailers too. I had no desire to watch MWNS after watching that trailer.

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      • Fox replied:

        http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/61c38b06gw1dlx3s8duc4j.jpg

        Surf weibo and found this. The fanmade posters always have better PS skill than TVB’s.

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  24. ada says:

    The 1st 3 chapters of MWNS is really BORING, stopped watching after the 6th. Might pick it up again later. Such a pity, love the cast.
    Bobby’s 2 mums & dad in the show really pisses me off…..lol…..

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